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Old 08.06.2015, 11:17
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Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)

Sorry dude, wrong attitude.

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2. Samaire13 - I for one does not understand what "Nachzalen Verbolen" means. I am in the English forum since I do NOT speak German (nor French or Italian). Stupid me... but I do not understand. And to your point about why not just park there all day - I do NOT want to have to go to the car (parking place) every 2 hours. But, if I planned on a almost 2 hours visit and it turned into a 2.5 hours... then I had to stop what I was doing, go back to the car, pay again, return to the place I was.... .
If I remember correctly, Switzerland is not an English-speaking country. How is it anyone's problem if you don't understand German? You think lack of language skills will free you from your (legal) obligations? You obviously understood you were only supposed to park there for two hours and if you didn't (or don't) understand the rest, use this handy page, even has an app: dict.leo.org There's even a discussion forum to ask questions for 'unusual' words.

If whatever you were doing happened to take longer - too bad. That's happened to most of us at some point or another. But it doesn't mean you were unjustifiably fined. 2 hours are 2 hours. Not 2.5, not 3, not 5. Even if you had got back 1 minute too late and someone just happened to be there, the fine would have been justified.

And you can also write all the English letters you want, you live in the GERMAN-speaking part of a country, so no one owes you to respond in English or any other language other than German. If you think you need to write a letter for whatever reason - as again, you simply made a small mistake and now paid for it, no one will waiver your fine - ask a friend to translate it. Or use Leo - still better to write crappy German than English and expect someone to "explain things to you" in English.

You can be as law-abiding as you want - in this case, you were not, simple as that. These are the rules here, follow them, period. And in case you didn't realize, it's not the end of the world, but a couple of bucks with zero consequences. This is not a criminal matter for heaven's sake, you won't have a record, you're not being put in jail. You're making a much bigger deal of this than it is. Pay the fine and get over it.
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Old 08.06.2015, 11:28
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Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)

Just see the parking ticket as consulting fee for legal advice on Swiss parking rules.

Note 1: Yes, Switzerland is expensive.
Note 2: Yes, consultants charge a lot for their service.
Note 3: Yes, a lawyer would have been even more expensive.
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Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)

I am very disappointed with the attitude shown by the Zurich police in this instance.

It shoudl be clear to them that the OP is foreigner and perhaps not totally comfortable with the language. The very least they could have done is write a resonse in English - and enclose a rechnung for 80chf for the service
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Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)

I've broken the law before as well... and didn't get fined for it!
this is how you do it:
1) park in an area where they only check once a day ie. not in the middle of the city
or if you do have to park in the city:
2) remove first park-and-display ticket before putting second one on the dashboard.. bit of a giveaway otherwise
but some of the ladies walking round have really good memories (and sometimes pieces of chalk with them!) so it's a gamble. but hey, live dangerously for 40fr!
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I've broken the law before as well... and didn't get fined for it!
this is how you do it:
1) park in an area where they only check once a day ie. not in the middle of the city
or if you do have to park in the city:
2) remove first park-and-display ticket before putting second one on the dashboard.. bit of a giveaway otherwise
but some of the ladies walking round have really good memories (and sometimes pieces of chalk with them!) so it's a gamble. but hey, live dangerously for 40fr!

How can i know that they only check once a day? To know this would be very handy so please explain.


And a second parking disc on the dashboard - how stupidly clever - you obviously think the ladies with chalk are fools.
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There are restrictions as to where you can park after 'driving round the block'. I'm not quite sure what they are and can't find the regulations. But one thing I'm sure of - you are not allowed to return to the same spot within a certain time.

Absolutely- this is not allowed in Neuchâtel, that is for sure. There was a case recently where someone moved the car to a different spot in the same area (in Auvernier) and they were fined. These spaces are for short-term parking only, so moving the car to the same area just does not work. The guy had actually gone to another village to do a quick shop and returned to the same village to park later the same morning- and was still fined as he had parked in the same area in the same time slot, eg between 6 and 12 the same day. Had he returned in the afternoon, he would have been ok.

How ould you know if they check once a day or not? Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't ...
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Old 08.06.2015, 14:11
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Absolutely- this is not allowed in Neuchâtel, that is for sure. There was a case recently where someone moved the car to a different spot in the same area (in Auvernier) and they were fined. These spaces are for short-term parking only, so moving the car to the same area just does not work. The guy had actually gone to another village to do a quick shop and returned to the same village to park later the same morning- and was still fined as he had parked in the same area in the same time slot, eg between 6 and 12 the same day. Had he returned in the afternoon, he would have been ok.
It must depend on the area too. When they introduced the blue spaces in one area near a place I was volunteering at they asked about this very thing with regard to their volunteers and visitors. They were told by the police that it was impossible to grant longer stays but if people went and moved their cars to another space in the area within the time it would be acceptable. There was even a copy if the police letter on the notice board.
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Old 08.06.2015, 14:26
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Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)

Maybe how strict they are depends partly on the 'supply and demand' for places.
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Old 08.06.2015, 15:15
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Problem with that is, that the 'bod' who goes round checking number plates against spaces and times, probably wont know that the car has been moved and reparked in the same spot, if he didn't see it vacate the space, himself.
they chalk-mark the tyres.
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How can i know that they only check once a day? To know this would be very handy so please explain.


And a second parking disc on the dashboard - how stupidly clever - you obviously think the ladies with chalk are fools.
1) I already mentioned it - outside the inner circle of town they only go round once a day but for example in Kreis 1 of Zurich they go round several times a day.

2) no you misread. we're not talking about parking discs. we're only talking pay-and-display (as far as I can gather, maybe I missed a post). and I don't think the ladies with chalk are fools either way. some people have a very good memory and some people have a worse memory, just like all of us. and if they use a trick like chalk to remember who's been there and who hasn't, well, good for them and but in the same instance good for me, too!
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Re: A question regarding parking ticket(s)

Let the train take the strain. (next time)
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they chalk-mark the tyres.
Really? We haven`t got that far in Basel yet but next time I drive to Zürich I will have my tyres chalked as if they have been used as the board for a game of 301.
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First, thank you to all answering my questions.

I think I will pay the fine and "close this issue" since it drives me crazy of frustration, to be honest.

Well, to be truly honest, some of the replies also make me frustrated, and I will explain (hope I am not too boring):

1. AbFab - I lived in 5 different countries (so far) in my life. Never had a single parking ticket in any of them. Quite sure I did pay twice in some parking meters in other countries. But in simple words, I was not aware this is not allowed.
2. Samaire13 - I for one does not understand what "Nachzalen Verbolen" means. I am in the English forum since I do NOT speak German (nor French or Italian). Stupid me... but I do not understand. And to your point about why not just park there all day - I do NOT want to have to go to the car (parking place) every 2 hours. But, if I planned on a almost 2 hours visit and it turned into a 2.5 hours... then I had to stop what I was doing, go back to the car, pay again, return to the place I was....
3. If the minimum time between two adjacent parking sessions is not defined in the law, then it can be zero. That's my stupid opinion.
4. TiMow - There are many things not to understand. Why do you assume I planned a long parking and tried to fool the system, when in fact I was just reacting to a small delay in plan.
And in addition, I was definitely not parking there in order to save money. I am not from Zurich but only a visitor, and could not find a long term parking place (I always prefer them, that's why this is my first parking ticket here)
5. Urs Max - This is exactly my point. If it is not defined (is there a minimum block size?), then how can they fine me for something not defined?

But I must confess that what is bothering me is not the fine itself. It's the fact that I got a ticket as if I broke the law. I am VERY MUCH a law abiding person. So I paid for additional 2 hours just in case although I knew it will be much shorter second park (indeed was ~40 minutes).
And then I wrote a letter to the Zurich police. Instead of having an English speaking person call me to explain, they wrote me a letter in German (so I do not really understand exactly what's in it) and assume that I was trying to break the law and must be fined.

Well... this is the source of my frustration. And if I would be a bit less lazy, I would fight it in court. But since it makes me feel bad, I will pay, and will try my best to avoid visiting Zurich in the future unless I really must, and will wait impatiently to the end off our temporary assignment in Switzerland so I can move to a place where I am not made to feel like a criminal.

Again - I apologize for the length and details... needed to clear the frustration by writing :-) and thanks for your comments.
I see that lots of people groaned this post, but I actually LOLed. Getting indignant about receiving a fine for a parking offence that you admit you committed, and even threatening court action over it... like I said, LOL. Thanks for the laffs!
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Of course it's allowed, it's federal law (federal regulation may be the correct term, actually). Presumably your bloke didn't leave the parking lot.
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Problem with that is, that the 'bod' who goes round checking number plates against spaces and times, probably wont know that the car has been moved and reparked in the same spot, if he didn't see it vacate the space, himself.
S/he's highly unlikely to write down each and every car number, that's much too much hassle. If you're worried take pictures when parked, underway, and parked again. Or use a different slot if available.
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5. Urs Max - This is exactly my point. If it is not defined (is there a minimum block size?), then how can they fine me for something not defined?
You were not fined for being away for too short a time, but for staying too long. Time away is not the issue thus defining it would be moot, not even swiss administration is capable of that level of stupidity.

Perhaps you didn't intend to break the law, yet you did - ignorance doesn't make you immune. Accept it, and move on. Perhaps subscribe to take online theory lessons/tests to avoid future issues? theorie24.ch for instance, you'd simultaneously learn the relevant german words - two flies with one stroke.
Note: Apparently many others on here would do well to do likewise

Art. 48/8) If parking time is limited, the vehicle has to be brought back into ordinary traffic before time has run out, it's not enough to move it from slot A to slot B. Perhaps it would be enough to drive ten yeards on the road, u-turn, and park, but driving around the block will definitely do.

Folks, please stop circulating false rumors. Look it up.
SSV Art. 48/8

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OP: Pay the fine, accept it and move on. Consider yourself lucky that you did not receive an 80.- fine. There was a time when the Stadt Zürich Polizei liked to hand out 80.- (40.- for not moving the car/feeding the meter and another 40.- for overstaying the max. 2 hours).

A useful link for German Speakers on the ABC's of Parking in Switzerland:

http://www.beobachter.ch/justiz-beho...arkplatz-abc/#

The Swiss Federal Court has clarified Art. 8 Para. 8 to state that simply moving the car 25 min would not suffice. Cars used to be marked with chalk, but now a far more "sophisticated" electronic registering of cars and their parking spots is used (not everywhere). This means that should you have driven round the block and parked in the same spot you will struggle to fulfill the burden of proof to show you did so. When chalk was used the parking attendants could see you had indeed moved the car and kind of accepted it... Hurrah for technology
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Sorry - meant 25 meters not 25 min..
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Sorry dude, wrong attitude.



"And you can also write all the English letters you want, you live in the GERMAN-speaking part of a country, so no one owes you to respond in English or any other language other than German."
Not necessarily true. You can in a lot of cases use any "Amtsprache" i.e. French or Italian

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...I am surprised that going forward the STVA will not insist on having an email address for a car - and that parking/speeding tickets will automatically be emailed to the recipient - if an email bounces back the fine is doubled for not having up to date information and then it sent by post.
Don't go giving them more ideas!

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...The very least they could have done is write a resonse in English - and enclose a rechnung for 80chf for the service
Tsk tsk,you didn't define rechnung. OP - a rechnung is a bill, and the Swiss authorities love to send them to you for just about everything. So you not only pay the fine for what you did wrong, but you also pay for the privilege of receiving the fine. In your case I'd say you're lucky to get away with just the fine.
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Art. 48/8) If parking time is limited, the vehicle has to be brought back into ordinary traffic before time has run out, it's not enough to move it from slot A to slot B. Perhaps it would be enough to drive ten yeards on the road, u-turn, and park, but driving around the block will definitely do.

Folks, please stop circulating false rumors. Look it up.SSV Art. 48/8
It is what it says. But once around the block may still get you in trouble and you have to fight in court. It is a bit of a wobbly definition:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/18450770

Federal Court: 50 Meters down the road is not enough.
http://relevancy.bger.ch/php/clir/ht...F91-IV-99%3Ade
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Not necessarily true. You can in a lot of cases use any "Amtsprache" i.e. French or Italian

You can freely choose from the long list of Amtssprachen found in Art 48 of the Constitution of Canton of Zurich.
http://www2.zhlex.zh.ch/appl/zhlex_r...27.2.05_87.pdf

I do not know if there is enough space, but I try: German.
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