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Zug or Zurich?

I've read the other threads on this topic, and would nevertheless like to present my scenario.

I have a choice of:
1. Both kids attending Zug International School, and us living in Zug
2. Same as above,but us living in Zurich
3. One kid (grade 8) in Zug school, other kid (age 4) in ZIS, us living in Zurich
4. As 3 above, but living in Zug
5. Any school combination, and us living half way ( or anywhere else, really).

Obviously, from a logical point of view, I should opt for number 1. I do know this. But I have always equated living in Switzerland with living in Zurich, and am ( irrationally, I know) saddened that that might not be our reality.

I am really looking for input from families with kids, I guess, living in either Zurich or Zug. What do you like/ dislike about the experience?

And, most important, could my 13yo get from Zurich to Zug easily on her own using public transport?

We are not party animals, and are not looking for an active night life, but I do like the hustle and bustle of a city.

We will both be working from home, or more ideally from a co- working space.

We will have a car.

I should mention that with option 3, the elder kid is guaranteed a space at ZIS for 2016/2017 year, so both kids could then be in Zurich then. Either way, she will be changing campuses in that year.

Complicated, I know. Thanks for your time!
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

Definitely Zurich for me. we are a family of three and nightlife is not our thing either but it's brilliant being able to walk into town.
I have lived in Cham near Zug and winters were miserable. It was permanently in the fog whereas it's more likely to be nice weather in Zurich - think it's down to the geography.
Two things do speak for Zug - tax rate of course and no trams! I miss the peace and quiet of the countryside sometimes.
that's my two cents' worth for you.
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Old 08.06.2015, 20:49
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Definitely Zurich for me. we are a family of three and nightlife is not our thing either but it's brilliant being able to walk into town.
I have lived in Cham near Zug and winters were miserable. It was permanently in the fog whereas it's more likely to be nice weather in Zurich - think it's down to the geography.
Two things do speak for Zug - tax rate of course and no trams! I miss the peace and quiet of the countryside sometimes.
that's my two cents' worth for you.
Miserable? Permanent?

Bit of an exaggeration there. I would say that it frequently fogged in during the winter and certainly no more "miserable" than anywhere else during the winter.

I live in Zug with my family and love it. It's still only 40 mins or so to Zurich airport by train. But you are also within striking distance of some really nice mountain villages from Zug.

My advice is not to overthink it. I really don't think the lifestyle in either canton is all that different (if you are a parent with no partying responsibilities )
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Miserable? Permanent?

Bit of an exaggeration there. I would say that it frequently fogged in during the winter and certainly no more "miserable" than anywhere else during the winter.

I live in Zug with my family and love it. It's still only 40 mins or so to Zurich airport by train. But you are also within striking distance of some really nice mountain villages from Zug.

My advice is not to overthink it. I really don't think the lifestyle in either canton is all that different (if you are a parent with no partying responsibilities )
ok, ok!
maybe realistically more like 70% instead of 100% of the time? but you know, more often than not getting up to fog in the morning, then travelling to work in sunny Zurich and back to the fog in the evening, it sure felt like 100% foggy days.
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

our kids went to ISZL, we lived in Thalwil and loved it. it is less than 15 minutes through the valley to the lower and middle schools (either by car or school bus), and just under 30 minutes for high schoolers by train to the upper school in Rotkreuz. also 15 minutes down Seestrasse into the city.

Zug is lovely and you are far more likely to run into other English-speaking expats, but I will take Zuerich and the Zuerisee any day of the week.
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

I find Zug very nice. It's not too small and certainly not city life, but enough there should you want it. The area is beautiful, rivers and lakes in the summer, and close to the mountains for winter sports. Hasliberg, Grindelwald, Sedrun, all within a few hours.
You are very close on train to both Zürich and Luzern, driving is also close but certainly easier on train.
What must be said is the transport infrastructure here is fantastic, so easy to get around.
Make sure to look into the 'Halb tax' on train fares.
Also, the tax is lower in Canton Zug than in both Zürich and Luzern.
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

You are choosing between two excellent locations so no need to overthink it. There is no wrong choice and I am sure you will be equally happy in both locations, each with its minor ups and downs.
Transport links between Zug and Zurich are super frequent (I assume about 6-10 per hour) and the shortest travelling time is about 20mins between the two cities.
Both have beautiful lakes and loads of English speakers around organising social activities.
Zug is definitely calmer and more family oriented while Zurich offers everything a larger city has to offer (minus the diversity of real cosmopolitan places such as London, Paris, ...u know it).
I am not aware of coworking spaces in Zug but do know they exist in Zurich. So give that a check.
I guess you will need to decide what is important for yourself and your husband during your daily routine. If you want to step out of your flat (if working from home) and have a choice of restaurants and cafes around the corner, Zurich would be the place.
Otherwise, also consider places in between Zug & Zurich with good transport links such as the aforementioned Thalwil, which has great direct train connections to both Zurich and Zug and direct access to the Zurich lake.
In terms of weather... in winter also Zurich is often foggy. If you want to escape this, you might want to choose a village on a hill above Zug, which often are above the fog levels and enjoy sun while Zurich and Zug are as grey as a cat at dusk...
Wishing you all the best! Great schools for kids and working from home in a beautiful country... sounds like a great time you have ahead of you! Enjoy it!
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

I lived in Zurich for 3 months, then moved to Oberwil in Zug. I have a son, 10 years old and he studies at the local school here, 5 mins walk away.

I've always been a big city girl, but Zug is peaceful, quiet and good for the soul. There's downtown Zug with all the shopping and restaurants that you want/need. Everyone says hi whenever you walk by in Oberwil. It's very safe for the kids to roam freely. And there's tons of family activities to do right at your doorstep. The lake is just 2 mins walk away with no less than 3 beaches around. In my complex, I can easily count at least 4 English speaking families, all with kids around my son's age.

The tax rate is extremely low, leaving you more money to spend on other frivolous things. The weather is no more different. You wake up to fog, but it burns off by mid morning, leaving you lovely weather the rest of the day. And if you feel like enjoying the big city, hop on the express train to Zurich or Lucerne and you're there in 20mins!

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Re: Zug or Zurich?

If any of your kids HAS TO go to school in Zug, then you should all live in Zug. Zurich is not all what it's worked out to be and for an international family with two kids I can't think of anywhere better to live than Zug.

Zurich is not that far anyway, and you could all just drive there at weekends and whenever necessary if you need your hustle and bustle fix.
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

Thank you so much for all your advice!

It certainly sounds like one can't go wrong here. I am leaning towards putting one child in each school for the 2015/2016 year, since they will both be changing campuses anyway in 2016/2017 and having a child in each school almost guarantees placement for the other one under the sibling policy. That will give us a year to figure things out, at least as far as school is concerned.

As for living, I like the idea of Thalwil or similar, but the tax situation in Zug cannot be ignored. I think that we will have to see what apartments we can find/ afford and do our back-of-napkin calculations then.

Getting very excited the closer the move!
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

I have to mention finding accommodation. Zug is probably easier to find a place than Zürich, though still not easy.
When we first came to CH, we lived in a Ferienwohnung (Holiday Rental) for the first few months. Certainly helped with the transition and the prices are relatively fair.
This will give you a good platform to get out and look for places.
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

We are just moving from Zurich to Zug, so we went through this exercise of pros and cons. Taxes were the tipping point at the end of the day...
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

Hi,
I suggest you all live in Zug and travel back and forth to Zurich. It will be too much of a hassle to bring your kids to school from Zurich every day...
Zug is a small town so perfect if you aren't a party animal :-) but Zurich is only a 25min train ride (perfectly safe for your kid to travel alone btw) away.

There is also a tax factor, you will pay less taxes in Zug than in Zurich (dunno if this is relevant but thought it was worth mentioning)...

Hope this helps!
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

would also suggest looking at places like Thalwil, Kilchberg, Ruschlikon, Horgen. You can live in between zurich and zug. The train to either town is quick and easy.
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Zug is a dead end place
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Re: Zug or Zurich?

Live close to work and where schools are located.
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Can you elaborate please?
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