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Re: Surviving without cooking from Coop/supermarket ettiquette

Migros and coop also sell cooked chicken, i always have a few cans of tuna in the cupboard.

I would think at that moment you can survive on salads, cheese etc.

But would recommend buying a kettle. They last for years. You can get soups, pot noodles etc.

I'm sure you won't starve!!
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Re: Surviving without cooking from Coop/supermarket ettiquette

Buy a kettle and a toasted-sandwich maker - the classic UK student diet is tea, buttered toast and lots of Pot Noodles. Lots of fruit and salad and nuts, and you'll be fine!

https://produkte.migros.ch/nissin-so...c-158504800000
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Re: Surviving without cooking from Coop/supermarket ettiquette

I'm writing these cautionary remarks based on your inexistent experience with meat/sausages. They're a bit on the too-careful side, but for now and in summer I think it's appropriate - better safe than sorry as you can get poisoned by eating bad meat.

Don't eat meat/sausage/etc that has funny colors, especially iridescent colors, or colors that differ significantly from when you bought it. Same goes for smell. You want to be much more strict than e.g. with vegetables, where cutting out a bad spot nothing to worry about.

Do you have a fridge? If not, I'd say don't eat any non-sealed meat/sausage you bought more than two days ago. If it's warm like last thursday/friday, I'd adjust that to "throw away what you bought before yesterday". With anything sealed, check the notes on the package. If it says should be cooled I'd add a day or two to the periods mentioned above. Again, probably a bit too cautious, you may want to realx the terms once you get experince.

If you stay in that room for a couple months or more, have no fridge, you may want to buy an electric coolbox (make sure it runs on 230V) or small fridge (prices in Germany seem to start around 100CHF for 50litres volume) (for inexpensive 2nd hand try tutti.ch, ricardo.ch, olx.ch).

You're free to touch and pick up everything in a shop you can reach easily, as long as you leave the package intact. I'm not aware of any particular etiquette.

Every shop around here is grouped into sections, e.g. milk products, vegetables, durable food (rice, pasta, etc), beverages, etc. Sausages and similar are in the same section as raw meat, in Switzerland it's often one of the sections furthest away from the entrance.

Villigen is 15-20km from the german border. IMO your best option is to shop in Germany (Waldshut), there's a bus stop by the Bahnhof Würenlingen (that's close to the Coop you're presumably talking about). Public buses typically have multiple kinds of tickets, including multi-trip tickets, that help you lower the price, ask the driver for info. As a general rule, and with the exception of electronis, you can assume to pay at least 30% less (often 50%) for non-branded stuff in Germany, branded stuff often has even higher differences. An alternative means of transport may be a bycicle, you should be able to get a used one in good condition for 100-200CH (perhaps ask amvc.ch, the local bike and bycicle club). Be sure to respect the duty free limits, and try to get the german VAT back (search the forum for more on that, recommended to use google powered search).

Now, back to the sausages. I rarely shop in Germany, but I think the following also applies there:
Packaged sausages have a label with a short description how to prepare them if necessary or recommended (e.g. boil in hot water for 8-10minutes), if there are no pictograms look for "Zubereitung" or "Tips". Otherwise they're expected to be eaten like that (sliced, usually)(for Salami peeling before slicing is recommended). For instance, "Cervela" bear the Tip "eat warm or cold" ("zum warm oder kalt essen") meaning you can eat them as they come (peeling is optional, I don't), or boil or fry or BBQ them.

I think everything most meat-like stuff that is sold in slices (usually thin slices) is ready to eat, sealed package or not makes no difference.
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Exceptions are Fondue Chinoise (typically frozen), and some types of bacon.

When unsure you can always ask the personnel, that's part of why they're there

Most major swiss shops/chains have stuff on sale for a few days, perhaps for a week, with offers changing weekly, check your mailbox for the promotions. For a single with limited storage capacity I think it's barely worth looking out for, Germany probably offers much more value.

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I think everything meat-like that is sold in slices (usually thin slices) is ready to eat, sealed package or not makes no difference.
Except Fondue Chinoise.
I guess you could try the raw beef as a carpaccio, but I'd rather not try any raw chicken or pork slices.
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Except Fondue Chinoise.
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Or streaky bacon.
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The OP is vegetarian.
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Old 10.06.2015, 16:01
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The OP is vegetarian.
He said he grew up vegetarian. It's not entirely clear from his posts whether he still is or not as he's asking about which cold cuts and 'wursts' can be eaten without cooking. That would rather indicate that he is no longer vegetarian.
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Re: Surviving without cooking from Coop/supermarket ettiquette

Sushi does not require cooking. In the Netherlands they eat raw herring and onions. A bottle of Jenever is recommended to wash it down.
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you can pretty much eat any food without cooking. just go for it and see what you like or don't like.
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Except Fondue Chinoise.
OP can cook with a candle, a fondue burner, or a camping burner that use butane. In such a so called "first world" country, strange that someone would have to live like this.
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Or streaky bacon.


I normally eat it raw.

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Thanks a lot! I'd rather turn into Hannibal Lecter than try road kill with dog pee dressing.

@Urs Max: Thanks! Really helpful. I really am an idiot when it comes to this, so every tip was useful. I'll try to figure out something about shopping in Germany soon.

@Belgianmum:Spot on deduction. I'm not a vegetarian.

@Phos: That's what I thought. I can't believe I'm struggling with basic stuff. Not allowed to cook and I'm being asked to pay 900CHF a month. It's crazy, isn't it? I've been trying hard to get a better place but no one seems to want a short term praktikant staying here.

@other people suggesting purchases: I'm an intern on a tight budget, so I probably won't buy expensive appliances but thanks for the suggestions. The next time I'm in the supermarket I'll look into it.

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@other people suggesting purchases:I'm an intern on a tight budget, so I probably won't buy expensive appliances but thanks for the suggestions. The next time I'm in the supermarket I'll look into it.
Have a look at the market place on here. People are often selling appliances and you could probably pick up a kettle and maybe even a microwave for very little money.
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Re: Surviving without cooking from Coop/supermarket ettiquette

I just realised that the core question hasn't been answered yet:
OP, malnutrition is rather unlikely to be an issue, even more so as you're aware it.

From what little I know, salmonella are almost exclusively a potential issue with uncooked or insufficiently cooked chicken products. Without ability to cook raw meat is out of the question, that leaves the eggs. The best way for the time being (assuming no fridge) probably would be to buy the eggs cooked (see above, they're usually brightly painted). Not sure about E.coli, I never worry about that - (not) washing your food (especially veggies) seems to be the biggest risk usually. Keeping food cooled certainly brings a big risk reduction, too.

The cheapest means to get your calories would be pasta and/or rice, so a rice cooker would go a long ways, apparently it can even be used to do real meals. It's probably more important to add a broad range of vegetables, rather than lots of meat (though having some certainly is a good idea). Just vary, include a broad range of produce and you'll be fine.

Small fridges (40 litres or less) can be had for about 100CHF, a single electric cooking plate for around 30CHF, a heating stick to heat a pot of water is also around 30CHF. You'll need the ability to store food if you buy in Germany (else the bus ticket is probably too expensive), so a fridge will probably pay for itself very quickly, and it'll allow for a much wider range of food.

Stuff worth considering for your sandwiches, aside of cheese and veggies, are Fleischkäse, Salami, Schinken, some other Schinken, more Schinken.

And you may not know:Most (all?) processed and packaged food comes with a "consumption recommended by" date. If you respect storing condiditions that date can be relied upon. It's usually printed on the label (somewhere close to the price), on the bottom or the top. In german it reads as "mindestens haltbar bis", "zu verbrauchen bis", "Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum" or similar, with date format dd-mm-yy.
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Re: Surviving without cooking from Coop/supermarket ettiquette

Have you already told the OP about your famous vegetarian carrot recipe?

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Not allowed to cook and I'm being asked to pay 900CHF a month. It's crazy, isn't it? I've been trying hard to get a better place but no one seems to want a short term praktikant staying here.

Have you looked into rooms at the Aarebruecke Guesthouse?
http://www.aarebruecke.com/index_en.htm


There is no cooking permitted in the rooms but there is a well-equipped communal kitchen.
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I have a fridge. Sorry, forgot to mention that. Long day at work.

I did look at that guesthouse but they didn't have room for me.
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Re: Surviving without cooking from Coop/supermarket ettiquette

Do you like kebabs?

My local van is 8 chufs a go ..... carbs from pitta, protein from meat, and vitamins from fresh veg (salad stuff), plus a bit of spice .... a nice healthy, balanced diet.
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I have a fridge. Sorry, forgot to mention that.
My first time around, 3 months as a praktikant, I also had no kitchen (or fridge), but I only paid CHF 300/month (but that was in 1982).

I survived on beer, and lunch at work, and the occasional Swiss fast food in the Niederdorf.

Second time around (1986) , I only paid CHF250/month, had no fridge, no kitchen, but bought a raclette grill that worked as stove, grill, oven, etc.

Lasted four years, got married after two.

Then I moved to Ticino, and found civilization!

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