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Well nobody has said anything to me yet. The man who deals with the estate - it's tons of apartments built together has seen me a few times and is his usual cheery self . Nobody has posted any letters or notes to me in regards to this. I told no one except my husband and his Aunt .
I'm just hopeful now that as it was removed we will be ok.

I haven't told my other neighbours or friends on the estate , or asked to see the tape. As it was my daughter who witnessed it not me , the nosey taper is probably assuming that I didn't realise.

I'm just hopeful that the taper feels disappointed that their attempt of ruining my day has failed
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Old 17.07.2015, 18:43
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Why this system can't be introduced fully and properly across the immense range of bottles, pots and jars in Switzerland is beyond me! It used to be present on more items than it is now, but on some items it was phased out, which is crazy! If they introduced it, there would be much less rubbish for the municipality to deal with and much less litter on the streets and in the public litter bins.
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Go to your commune's office and ask for info regarding disposal of aluminium, glass, wine corks, cardboard etc., and ask how to properly dispose of paper (wrapped, in bags, not in bags, whatever).
I'm sure they'll be glad to provide you with all the information needed to get rid of everything you need/want to get rid of. The fact that sometimes disposal of rubbish/whatever costs and that it might be complicated to get to the disposal area should not keep one from properly taking care of their rubbish. Switzerland is (relatively) clean for a reason, and for it to remain this way we all need to do our part - however bothersome that may seem at times.

As for getting rid of bottles (plastic, PET or glass), you can't tell me that there aren't enough places to do so. Look in almost any store in CH for holes in the wall, and if you can't find them, ask the people working there to tell you where the next disposal station is. Problem solved.

It's just a matter of asking (possibly in multiple places) and doing one's part for this community.
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Old 17.07.2015, 19:05
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Go to your commune's office and ask for info regarding disposal of aluminium, glass, wine corks, cardboard etc.
All of this goes into the plastic rubbish sacks. There are no (longer) collections for these things in a lot of places. Obviously it differs depending on your municipality though.

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As for getting rid of bottles (plastic, PET or glass), you can't tell me that there aren't enough places to do so. Look in almost any store in CH for holes in the wall, and if you can't find them, ask the people working there to tell you where the next disposal station is. Problem solved.
Regarding empty PE, PET, other plastic and glass bottles, - my gripe here is that people just chuck them on the floor, leave them on seats, benches, walls, or fill up the tiny litter bins on trains with them for example. Some who have no per-bag tax, stuff them into their normal rubbish sacks.
There will always be people who do this as there is no real incentive for them personally to take them back to a recycling point.
If there was a Fr.1.-- deposit on every bottle, more than 99% of them would come back to the point of sale and Switzerland's growing litter problem would be halved.
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Nonsense, of course we do.

Where do you think all the stuff that we dig out of the mountains to make tunnels goes?

However, burning it to make electricity makes far more sense.

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Or sending them to neighboring countries according to my cousin who is a civil engineer (ETH-EPF/SIA).

This is exactly what they are doing in Geneva: French trucks are taking the CEVA rubble to neighboring France mostly to Genevois (F), Faucigny but also to Dordogne, Drôme.

The disposal of tunnel rubble has been a major headache for GE State Government as all landfills in Grand Genève and la Côte are full.

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Old 17.07.2015, 20:40
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Regarding empty PE, PET, other plastic and glass bottles, - my gripe here is that people just chuck them on the floor, leave them on seats, benches, walls, or fill up the tiny litter bins on trains with them for example. Some who have no per-bag tax, stuff them into their normal rubbish sacks.
I don't see what your caring what others put in their rubbish bags is going to achieve or change. How is that any of your concern unless you either fund their disposal or take out their rubbish and run the risk of injuring yourself while doing so (e.g. cutting yourself with glass shards)?

As for littering, this is a problem not of (in some places) less available disposal places, it is a matter of lazy-ass entitlement. If one can't walk twenty steps to the next garbage can to toss their gum in a wrapper, but rather spits it onto the floor or glues it under a train seat, one won't take the time to look for or use places to properly dispose of other stuff - bottles, aluminium or whatever - even if they are right in front of them.

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If there was a Fr.1.-- deposit on every bottle, more than 99% of them would come back to the point of sale and Switzerland's growing litter problem would be halved.
Not necessarily - I for one do not buy sodas at all when in Germany precisely because of that deposit. Water is (almost) free and you can get it at any fountain or faucet in CH - why should I bother buying a bottle of stuff, pay too much for it and lug it back to the store to get my money back? Rather buy those drinks in CH and chuck the bottles in the disposal the next time I pop into a store.
Even if a per-bottle deposit were implemented in CH, you would have people - like it's happening in Germany - who go around collecting empty bottles to return in an effort to get money for them because the buyer of said bottle didn't bother to bring them back to the store. Would you rather have empty bottles lying around or people rummaging around looking for empty bottles to return?

IMO it is tragic if people feel they have to resort to collecting bottles to get money, and there are other ways for people in need to get their necessities taken care of in CH. I'd rather not have this deposit implemented, but perhaps implementing a rule that every store, no matter how small or how far out in the sticks, has to have at least a bottle and aluminium disposal station, might be a place to start in the location where there currently aren't enough disposal stations.

As for glassware, unless one uses vast amounts of them, I don't see how one can't just collect them in a box and take them out to a collection place once a month or so. If you don't have such a place, ask your commune to get one started because glass shards can be incredibly dangerous both for the people who dispose of them in their rubbish bags and the guys who pick up the rubbish.

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One of the prosecutions I managed to bring about was for an illegal tipper who dumped medical waste from the local private clinic, including needles and surgical blades and patients' notes!
Jeebus. That's bloody dangerous and a data protection issue at that! Would make my blood boil. (Whoever did that needs to) Take care of disposal properly and make SURE that patient info isn't recoverable

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IMO it is tragic if people feel they have to resort to collecting bottles to get money, and there are other ways for people in need to get their necessities taken care of in CH.
I know someone on quite a substantial 6 figure salary that does exactly that... rummaging thru bins and taking the large PET recycle sacks from work to Germany to put in the recycle machine... he lives about 45 mins SOUTH of zurich. He either has a massive hooker and coke habit or is a total tight arse...
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Would you rather have empty bottles lying around or people rummaging around looking for empty bottles to return?
IMO it is tragic if people feel they have to resort to collecting bottles to get money.
I've also seen people doing it in Germany.

I'd rather have people rummaging around looking for empty bottles to return rather them strewn around the town or countryside.
If people want to fish out bottles from bins to take them back to the shop for money, this is wholly their own personal choice to do so.

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I've also seen people doing it in Germany.
I have only seen people doing it in Germany and I'd rather it didn't become normal here.

I see that I disagree with you on the point that paying more for bottles so as to force people to bring them back to the store for money won't reduce the number of bottles strewn around the countryside.

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I have only seen people doing it in Germany and I'd rather it didn't become normal here.

I see that I disagree with you on the point that paying more for bottles so as to force people to bring them back to the store for money won't reduce the number of bottles strewn around the countryside.

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I TOTALLY, disagree with you ! I love that in Germany, if you are industrious and willing you can make money picking up the garbage that some lazybutts can't be bothered to. Saw many retirees making some extra $$ that way and cleaning up the park I walk in with my dogs at a very early hour. Here, I am confronted with so much laziness on peoples part of just dumping trash and food EVERYWHERE, despite the nearness of empty garbage cans or lazybutts who leave it NEXT to an EMPTY garbage can !! My dogs go wild when they find the old bones ( but that could make them sick) So ANYTHING that encourages cleanliness I am all for. What I am confronted with at 6:30 am is not to be believed !!
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I TOTALLY, disagree with you ! I love that in Germany, if you are industrious and willing you can make money picking up the garbage that some lazybutts can't be bothered to. Saw many retirees making some extra $$ that way and cleaning up the park I walk in with my dogs at a very early hour. Here, I am confronted with so much laziness on peoples part of just dumping trash and food EVERYWHERE, despite the nearness of empty garbage cans or lazybutts who leave it NEXT to an EMPTY garbage can !! My dogs go wild when they find the old bones ( but that could make them sick) So ANYTHING that encourages cleanliness I am all for. What I am confronted with at 6:30 am is not to be believed !!
So essentially, anything that benefits you personally or your interests is cool and to be commended.

I keep being simultaneously amazed and disgusted by people's egoism and self-centeredness.
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I see that I disagree with you on the point that paying more for bottles so as to force people to bring them back to the store for money won't reduce the number of bottles strewn around the countryside.
I think it actually would reduce the number of bottles that are left around as litter everywhere. But quite obviously, being Switzerland, the deposit has to be high enough to dissuade littering and to encourage 'return for recycling', at least Fr.1.-- on small plastic bottles for example.
It would also stop people who currently don't recycle plastic bottles at home, putting them in the ordinary refuse sack (those still without the per-bag tax) for collection.
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I know someone on quite a substantial 6 figure salary that does exactly that... rummaging thru bins and taking the large PET recycle sacks from work to Germany to put in the recycle machine... he lives about 45 mins SOUTH of zurich. He either has a massive hooker and coke habit or is a total tight arse...
AFAIK German bottles which come with a deposit are bar-coded to avoid exactly this from happening.
If you want to do a quick buck you'd be better off doing the reverse: Import beer crates from Germany and return them in Switzerland. 6 EUR in Germany get you 12 CHF in ZRH (last time I checked with Augustiner crates).
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AFAIK German bottles which come with a deposit are bar-coded to avoid exactly this from happening.
If you want to do a quick buck you'd be better off doing the reverse: Import beer crates from Germany and return them in Switzerland. 6 EUR in Germany get you 12 CHF in ZRH (last time I checked with Augustiner crates).
This was happening in Ticino. People were buying a brand of mineral water in glass bottles in Italy, then returning the empties to a Coop supermarket in Switzerland to get a deposit fee they had never paid and making a clear profit. It took a while for the border region Coop to work out what was going on and why they had so many bottles. Subsequently some sort of code was added to the labels to prevent this.
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I think it actually would reduce the number of bottles that are left around as litter everywhere. But quite obviously, being Switzerland, the deposit has to be high enough to dissuade littering and to encourage 'return for recycling', at least Fr.1.-- on small plastic bottles for example.
It would also stop people who currently don't recycle plastic bottles at home, putting them in the ordinary refuse sack (those still without the per-bag tax) for collection.
CH used to dump waste into landfills up until 30-40 years ago so. They're hazardous to natural resources, in particular fresh water, a threat to general health as it's a breeding pot for lots of unpleasant, and actually dangerous in some cases, critters. Not to speak of certain olfactory issues

Oh lest I forget, that practice caused some minor (coughcough) issues like as Bonfol, which cost the public at least a high 9-figure to clean up 1-2 generations after the bloody chit got created.

Deposits on bottles have also been tried, that creates costs that need to be shouldered by someone, eventually the customer. There can be no doubt you'd be among the first to whinge, considering certain of your posts.

Switzerland learnt from past mistakes:
Have the source (the vendor) face the results and deal with them by forcing them to recycle a certain amount (75% in the case of PET). Make avoiding waste the originators very own interest by threatening the expensive deposit system if they fall below the threshold. It's called Verursacherprinzip.

That's how efficient and effective government works. Eventually it's all about the money.
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Hi. This is exactly why you should only dump rubbish in a place where nobody can see you, or at least make sure there is nobody there filming you when you do it!!! Never outside you own house.
I think that I got some idea now where I should be dumping my rubbish - in the land of Sevirra
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