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It doesn't take much of my freetime crossing the border by car a couple of times a month, from Zürich, it's about 30 mins at covenient traffic times, which isn't much different from the time it'd take to get to Sihlcity. The price differences are so huge that this extra 30 + 30 mins stolen to the freetime fully justify, in my opinion, the effort. The price differences ain't even comparable, for some products in the personal care sector or for newborns are many multiple more in CH than in DE.
It always depends where in Zürich you live. From where I live, it takes about 30 minutes to get out of the city, IF there is no traffic.

I went to Mulhouse once about 2 years ago. I had a fun day, I had a crêpe in town, got to buy lots of books at the Fnac and filled the car with stuff I cannot find in Zürich. But I also bought a lot of things I wouldn't normally buy, so I guess the saving was very limited, if there was any. And the 2 hours to and from isn't my idea of a convenient little shopping trip.

I keep saying I'll go back, but so far I've prioritised other activities in my spare time. Then again, we're only three in the family and we eat vegetarian most if the week; I might feel differently about the concept if I had 2-3 teenagers to feed.
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Exactly!



Nice.

note: some retailers even reverse the VAT back onto your credit card, others into a bank account.



Team up with someone else who has an automobile and have a day out!

You can also go on the train, if perchance you have a GA, the journey is free!
First that free GA costs you how much?
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I am confused



So you don't do your shop in one place so as not to waste your valuable time



Right . waste of time buying anything else on these trips





Different stokes I suppose
Strokes...
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We go monthly to Jestetten and buy at Edeka or DM sparing between 50% and 75%, buying quality products, of what we could have spent in Zürich. It takes us less than 30 mins by car to get there.
Did you not recognize that the prices in Wintherthur are about the same!?
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First that free GA costs you how much?
Nobody said the GA was free or that one purchases it just to go shopping with!
Presumably most people have a GA because they need it to get to work with and it's by far the least expensive method of commuting, compared to monthly passes or individual tickets. Other people will have a GA so they have the freedom to travel around and to get to appointments, as in my case, I need it to get to Zurich and beyond.
A bonus is you can use it in your free time and it gets you to Germany, so the shopping trips to Germany are not costing you anything extra, they are already included in the price of the GA which you have purchased in any case for other reasons.
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The obesity level in men in the canton of Zurich means that only 54.1% of men are fit enough for military duty.

Source : http://www.nzz.ch/zuercher-maenner-a...lich-1.4745255


It can only be either Cross border shopping or foreginers .to blame
Erm ... the article does not say anything at all about obesity!?!

Once more an example of referring a text that does support the made claim by exactely 0%!!!

However, I do not doubt that obesity is one reason among many (for example conscientious objection), but probably by far not the most important one.
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Old 20.07.2015, 09:01
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Nobody said the GA was free or that one purchases it just to go shopping with!
Presumably most people have a GA because they need it to get to work with and it's by far the least expensive method of commuting, compared to monthly passes or individual tickets. Other people will have a GA so they have the freedom to travel around and to get to appointments, as in my case, I need it to get to Zurich and beyond.
A bonus is you can use it in your free time and it gets you to Germany, so the shopping trips to Germany are not costing you anything extra, they are already included in the price of the GA which you have purchased in any case for other reasons.
What a load of utter tosh.

A GA costs 3,655chf per year - an annual pass for me to commute would be 1,116chf per year.

GA's only work if:
- Your daily commute is very long
- Your job requires frequent rail tavel
- You use public transport for the vast majority of your private travel.
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thank you for pointing that out yes, it was a mistake, you're right!

38% = over 1/3rd.

over 1 in 3 are either clinically obese or simply overweight according to 2012 figures...

with this creeping up though over the years, it won't be long before 1 in 2 or half the resident population of Switzerland will be overweight...

if silly promotional offers that dupe customers in Switzerland into buying ever-increasing amounts of soft drinks, cakes, chocolate, sweets, cereals and yogurts all laden with vast quantities of sugar and to some extent fat, the figure might stop rising...

another solution would be to heavily tax foodstuffs which have a high-sugar or high-fat content, thus incentivising the purchase of healthier, normal, non-processed alternatives...
Your statements and your figures are indeed creepy. And even though I support the perception that it got worse during the last decades, also due to the imported "north-american" fast food behavior (many unhealthy add-ons in the (pre-processed) food plus the wrong kind of nuriture), it is still a huge step "towards" the even worse situation among almost any other developed country!
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Did you not recognize that the prices in Wintherthur are about the same!?

The prices in Winterthur are the same as in Zürich, while they in Jestetten are much lower (just as in Konstanz etc)
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Did you not recognize that the prices in Wintherthur are about the same!?
No, I didn't. Did you?
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Nobody said the GA was free or that one purchases it just to go shopping with!
Presumably most people have a GA because they need it to get to work with and it's by far the least expensive method of commuting, compared to monthly passes or individual tickets.
I never said anyone would buy a GA for shopping. The vast majority of people I know do not hold a GA. The vast majority of the people I know are also doing their shopping near by. You are doing alot of assuming. As I feel you must be assuming on the rest of your info.
But let's say I did hold a GA and decided to go to another country to save on the price of anything. I have to lug a few bags of grocery from Lorrach back to Zurich? I rather sit with my Qoullfrisch by the lake.
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Shopping by train? Sounds like a major hassle to lug around 6 bags of groceries.
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Shopping by train? Sounds like a major hassle to lug around 6 bags of groceries.
But it literally saves millions of CHF on a weekly shop
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Shopping by train?
Which shop has got aisles big enough to take a train?
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Which shop has got aisles big enough to take a train?
All aboard!!!!!!

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I never said anyone would buy a GA for shopping. The vast majority of people I know do not hold a GA. The vast majority of the people I know are also doing their shopping near by. You are doing alot of assuming. As I feel you must be assuming on the rest of your info.
But let's say I did hold a GA and decided to go to another country to save on the price of anything. I have to lug a few bags of grocery from Lorrach back to Zurich? I rather sit with my Qoullfrisch by the lake.
I had a co-worker who did this.
Took his huge suitcase to work (usually Thursdays) and then took the train to Jestetten.
Not my cup of tea, really. But once you've paid the GA, it's just your time...
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What a load of utter tosh.
In your opinion, but this is not everyone's opinion at all.
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A GA costs 3,655chf per year - an annual pass for me to commute would be 1,116chf per year.
That's just one example and it's only the price you pay for your yearly commuting. Your commute is evidently quite short. That's lucky. Everybody's situation is different.
Looking up a yearly-pass for me to Zurich it would cost Fr.3'177.--, and I'd still be limited to travelling in the specified zones in the greater Zurich-Aargau area, so a GA is much more convenient for me.
Note: If you pay for a GA using Reka Chèques or Reka Rail bought at cut price, you are effectively getting a discount of anything from 3 to 20% on the price of your yearly travel.
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Shopping by train? Sounds like a major hassle to lug around 6 bags of groceries.
I have either 1 or 2 bags. No hassle, just savings that add up.

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Shopping by train? Sounds like a major hassle to lug around 6 bags of groceries.
In my case, it's not a bigger hassle than shopping in CH. Kaufland and Lidl are a few meters away from the Waldshut train station. So I can fill my big backpack and hop on the train back to Baden.


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But it literally saves millions of CHF on a weekly shop
During an average biweekly shopping tour in Waldshut, I spend 120 CHF on groceries which would cost me around 200 CHF in Switzerland. Taking into account the SBB day ticket (Baden - Waldshut), I save 70 CHF on groceries. That's a whopping 1800 CHF of savings a year! I definitely see a business case here
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AFAIK, Konstanz is now completely overcrowded on Saturdays (as is probably every other city close to the Swiss border).
As is every other town and city in Switzerland. It's not exactly mobbed either. Busy yes, but you can navigate fairly comfortably.

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The locals don't even go shopping any more on the weekend.
The "one hour drive" is probably a myth - it's more than likely a two hour drag...
Not a myth at all. I have driven over a number of times now and from Zug, takes just over an hour with the motorway going right up to the border.

A very comfortable drive with plenty of pit stops just off the motorway on way if the kids need it.

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In Zurich, you can get pretty good deals on exotic vegetables (and generally all sorts of Indian food) at shops like Barkat.
And heading into Zurich is a hassle free experience? Tbh, I would rather head to Konstanz every now and again. Ample and cheap parking.

The prices for kids stuff (car seats, clothes) are so much better than in CH, that it is entirely worth the journey every so often (I head over once every two or three months). It's not a journey you need to make every Saturday which some people seem to think it is.

Besides all that, Konstanz is a beautiful town with great places for brekky for lunch and with a lot of attractions, that you can make a day of it with the family with a bit of shopping thrown in.

OP, feel free to PM me for more details. I was worried it was going to be as this poster described, but my experience is almost entirely the opposite.
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Not a myth at all. I have driven over a number of times now and from Zug, takes just over an hour with the motorway going right up to the border.

A very comfortable drive with plenty of pit stops just off the motorway on way if the kids need it.
I've driven there too. Mostly off-hours, so there was no traffic at all.
I've no idea how it looks like Saturday morning.

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And heading into Zurich is a hassle free experience? Tbh, I would rather head to Konstanz every now and again. Ample and cheap parking.
I didn't say that. But I know Zug only from occasional bike-rides to the lake and back. I know no shops there. But I assumed there must be something equivalent to Barkat in Zug, too.

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Besides all that, Konstanz is a beautiful town with great places for brekky for lunch and with a lot of attractions, that you can make a day of it with the family with a bit of shopping thrown in.
I know. I studied there.
And my parents live near Singen.
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