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Old 09.08.2015, 13:37
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And to all the patriotic arguments: I was not alone there... the entire town is full of anything from AG to GR (!) plates.
That's because people are hypocrites.

Everybody shops abroad. Everybody. Even our elderly neighbours who ask their daughter to pick up some of those lovely pickles next time she's in Freiburg, or the chap down the road who bought a pair of shorts during his fortnight in Majorca, or the nice couple round the corner who ordered a couple of books and a DVD from amazon.de... but, of course, it's different when we do it. It's them other ones what are bringing the economy down claiming their Swiss salaries then going to Konstanz for their steak and onions.

It's always them other ones, isn't it?

People really are full of shit.
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Old 09.08.2015, 13:40
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Nope. They're thanking me and groaning you because I'm not a whining little carrot.

Also because I'm right and you're talking shit.

Klar, oder?
Nah its true, you are not a carrot you are a little pickle, small and sour.
And you are not right you imbecile you didnt even read my post correctly, and i am talking shit? Maybe i am but you still read my post the wrong way you moron.

EDIT: OH YOU ARE WHINY ALLRIGHT!!! You are the stereotypical big mouth whinny guy talking tough on others; hypocrite this full of sht that, moronic up big mouth down; I just hope you use that bravery in real life to help rescue people from scorching buildings, and rescue surfers from sharks.

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And to all the patriotic arguments: I was not alone there... the entire town is full of anything from AG to GR (!) plates.[/QUOTE]

Does having am AG GR licence plate strictly mean those peopleare also Swiss passport holders?
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Nah its true, you are not a carrot you are a little pickle, small and sour.
And you are not right you imbecile you didnt even read my post correctly, and i am talking shit? Maybe i am but you still read my post the wrong way you moron.
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75 - 80% chance.

Not really relevant, though, is it? They're still Swiss residents, whatever passport they hold.
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It is real sad that a simple post was read by someone who reconstructed it in his mind, altered the meaning almost completely, and then starts atacking me, then i try to explain OBJECTIVELY that he just didnt get the point, and he keeps swinging at me, and people keep thanking him and groaning at me.

It is just amazing, so because he is a "forum legend" he is like the rich kid in school everyone wants to be his friend.

I get it i need to stop being OBJECTIVE and become SUBJECTIVE, just like most others here.

EDIT: Just realized it was glowjupiter's post#121, which gave me perspective, i confused it with a post of stalemate.
What are you on, Etefan? Yesterday I made my shopping in Italy because I happened to be there and thought it was worth saving a few francs. I don't want to "inject capital" in that country, as you put it, but I worry about my money. Not to mention I like some of their stuff - yummy Prosciutto crudo you don't really find here, or good wines at a very reasonable price. I don't care about the patriotic arguments, neither about helping Italians/Germans etc! I simply like good stuff at a better price, if circumstances allow.(wouldn't drive hundreds of km to buy some groceries, that would be plain stupid)
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Old 09.08.2015, 13:55
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Does having am AG GR licence plate strictly mean those peopleare also Swiss passport holders?
I guess you are joking, but for the sake of it: I heard Swiss German all around me in the supermarket. Yes, as a native German speaker can I differentiate between Southern German dialects and Swiss ones. I was also queuing with the Swiss at the border to get my tax back... yes, there was the odd Swiss-Yugo between them and I did not check his passport or asked if he might have two, but the vast majority was about as Swiss at it gets.
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Re: cross border shopping destination?

I am not sure where the question of "patriotism" comes in for a non-Swiss person, especially non-EU. An expat working here is generally on a limited contract in the form of L-/B-permit that is approved by the Swiss government because they find it beneficial to have that person working in Switzerland. If that person were to lose his or her job they are likely to be asked to leave within matter of weeks when the permit expires regardless of most extraneous circumstances. That is, of course, perfectly fine because that is exactly what the contract states and you better grasp it. Switzerland is not performing an act of kindness by allowing an expat to work here and it will have no qualms to kick you out if it is in the best interest of the country (which is how it should be).

Any false sense of patriotism on the part of the expat is only going to end up causing yet another angst-ridden post on this forum when they suddenly find themselves with no other prospects but to pack up and leave. This does not mean that an expat acts like an asshole. Definitely be a standup resident of the country, but you do have to look after your financial security. So, if you find it convenient and cheap to go to a neighboring country for your shopping, then more power to you.

I am way too lazy to do cross-border shopping myself, especially for daily needs, but I would never look down on an expat doing it.
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@douglas breakfast: You know what,just forget about it, i am being serious while you troll, if it makes you happy you won this one, but just take a last look at my first post in this thread, and if you are smart enough to make sens of the entire,post as a whole instead of quoting parts you will be able to take th whole idea of it instead of pointing out what you dont agree with.

And seriously your ferocity just makes me wonder if my post hit a sensitive part of you.

Edit:@wisconsinite: I would never look down at another human being, unless that person has demonstrated inhumane behavior, i was just expressing an idea or feeling, because i have met people who EXCLUSIVELY cross border shop and they insist theres absolutely nothing wrong with it. Now i am not saying it is wrong, i am saying it does have negative impacts on the economy which we live in, and acting like theres absolutely nothing wrong with it does seem hypocritical.

Now am not tellinf any one to shop strictly CH, but just sometimes forget about the prce and help out small shop owners, help out that specialty shop.

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Etefan: I understand and salute people who choose to support small shops, farmer's markets, etc. If you or someone feels the urge to do exactly that then great. By the way, there are also small shops in neighboring countries.

However, I do believe that it is wrong to think that an expat "owes" it to Switzerland for "providing us with such a life-style." An expat usually has little to no social safety net in Switzerland and should not sacrifice his or her own financial security. It should strictly depend on their personal situation and what their needs are. There is absolutely no rhyme or reason for you to allege hypocrisy.
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Etefan: I understand and salute people who choose to support small shops, farmer's markets, etc. If you or someone feels the urge to do exactly that then great. By the way, there are also small shops in neighboring countries.

However, I do believe that it is wrong to think that an expat "owes" it to Switzerland for "providing us with such a life-style." An expat usually has little to no social safety net in Switzerland and should not sacrifice his or her own financial security. It should strictly depend on their personal situation and what their needs are. There is absolutely no rhyme or reason for you to allege hypocrisy.
That was me being objective and your response was being subjective, because your taking into consideration your own personal situation and feelings, now i am gonna ask you a straight question:
Does this trend affect in any negative way the country of which you are resident?

My PERSONAL opinion is that being close minded and outright answering no is hypocritical
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Old 09.08.2015, 15:11
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However, I do believe that it is wrong to think that an expat "owes" it to Switzerland for "providing us with such a life-style."
Does this mean I can also stop drinking Rivella and still live here?
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Old 09.08.2015, 15:13
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Now am not tellinf any one to shop strictly CH, but just sometimes forget about the prce and help out small shop owners, help out that specialty shop.
Er, no. I don't intend to ever forget about the price, whether I'm shopping in a small shop in my home town or a hypermarket in France. My income is not unlimited, and I owe nothing to any shopkeeper. Any transaction I make with a retail establishment is entirely commercial - "helping out" doesn't come into it.

As it happens, we do all our grocery shopping locally. It's a long way from the back of our valley to Germany, and neither my wife nor I can be bothered with the hassle of driving two or three hours to buy milk, eggs and doughnuts. This is purely practical, and has nothing to do with "helping out" anyone. Most of our custom goes to Coop and Lidl, anyway.

We buy our clothes in America, while visiting family, or online. We buy our books, CDs and DVDs online too. Same for baby gear. We once visited a local baby equipment shop, looked at the prices, looked at the absurd designer gear they were selling, laughed and walked out again. We're not millionaires, and a burp cloth doesn't need a fancy label to mop up puke.

I don't think we're unusual in this regard. As I said before: everyone shops abroad. Some people do a lot of shopping abroad. Others not so much. That's entirely up to them. They're breaking no laws, they have no moral obligation to local retailers, they are entirely within their rights to get into their cars, drive to Germany or France, stock up and come home again, provided that they fulfil the requirements of the customs department.

Giving people a hard time for looking out for themselves or their families is out of order. I don't see Coop and Migros on the verge of bankruptcy because of cross-border shopping, and if a small retailer can't compete with the big boys, that's his lookout. Maybe he needs to improve his business, cut his prices, specialise, offer expert advice... whatever. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

Commerce isn't that hard a concept to understand, you know.
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Doesnt any body else feel it is kind of wrong doing cross border shopping?
I mean after all it is harmful for the economy that is providing you with such life style, i would rather pay more but have certainty that my purchase is a win for switzerland.

Thinking further, this kind of shopping when done here mostly benefit big companies like coop migro etc , which dont really need anymore earnings, so save on grocery but help the small bussiness owners in switzerland with your purchase.

BTW, you can save a lot in groceries anywhere, if you know how to shop,
and you are prepaired to make some sacrifices.
For example a good tip is to shop AFTER you have had a meal, that way you won't end up buying stuff that you dont need just because they look yummy.
Another thing i noticed is that Saturday and Friday seems to be overwhelmed with meat on discount.
And well usually the bigger the cheaper especially if the brand is "denner"
I would actually encourage the purchase of fruit abroad.
Talking about Denner here is a foto from Blick of a store in Germany

About "but have certainty that my purchase is a win for Switzerland" more likely a win for the foreign exporters who charge excessive prices for their exports; did you see the Coop decision to stop selling some foreign magazines due to their excessive markups..
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Old 09.08.2015, 16:31
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I went shopping in Waldshut yesterday. Besides saving easily 150-200 CHF on a shopping basket which was only 150 EUR... one thing people don't really mention here: It's not just much cheaper, but also open on a Saturday till 22.00. I spent my Saturday hiking and I did not feel like planning my weekend around shop opening times... and still got better products for half the price.

And to all the patriotic arguments: I was not alone there... the entire town is full of anything from AG to GR (!) plates.
That really is a MASSIVE saving on similar products, 100-130%, sounds rather a lot to me.
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That really is a MASSIVE saving on similar products, 100-130%, sounds rather a lot to me.
Yes, I know. But it's true... some simple examples:

Germany: branded lager beer (in my case Bitburger), 20x0.33 litres: 10.90 EUR
Switzerland: Quoellfrisch, 10x0.33 litres: 10.95 CHF

The difference goes up for "luxury" products like parma ham (100g was around 3 EUR in Germany vs. 70g for 6.70 CHF in Coop...). The biggest piece of the savings come from non-food items like sun block: I paid 6.25 EUR for a 200ml bottle of "Ambre Solaire", the exact same brand, product and size retails at Coop for 19.95!!!
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That's because people are hypocrites.
I know a Swiss who ranted about cross-border shoppers but who spends around 2 months a year on holiday. Always abroad. One wonders how they survive not buying any goods or services once they get there (flying Swiss, one assumes, ignoring the fact it's a subsidiary of German airline for a second.)
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Adrian. . Did we meet this person recently?
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Yes, I know. But it's true... some simple examples:

Germany: branded lager beer (in my case Bitburger), 20x0.33 litres: 10.90 EUR
Switzerland: Quoellfrisch, 10x0.33 litres: 10.95 CHF

The difference goes up for "luxury" products like parma ham (100g was around 3 EUR in Germany vs. 70g for 6.70 CHF in Coop...). The biggest piece of the savings come from non-food items like sun block: I paid 6.25 EUR for a 200ml bottle of "Ambre Solaire", the exact same brand, product and size retails at Coop for 19.95!!!
Parma ham is difficult to compare, there are so many brands/qualities out their and prices wildly different

Beer, Coop frequently has "Anker" beer at around Chf 0.50/can (50cl) Lowenbrau is about Chf 1.00 per can (50cl) which is about Chf 0.66 for 33 cl.

Ambre solitaire, not a clue but 3 times the price doesn't sound right, was it a special promotion ?

Food/drink is cheaper in Europe, but usually 20-40% difference and not 100-135% if we compare eggs with eggs.

I take your point about shops being open longer, fortunately this is not an inconvenience for me, but you do have to take in to account the additional time spent driving over the border, the cost of driving and any potential inconveniences at the borders.

There is also the fact, most expats earn higher salaries here (Chf 120k/annum ) than they would at home and in order to justify and keep salaries higher, prices are higher.

I agree they are too high and it is not only higher costs and salaries that do this, but in same respect Switzerland is a small market, arguably divided up into 4 sub regions according to linguistics.

If i were sole agent in France or Germany for importing lets say Ambre Solitaire, with 70 mio people min in either country, my business is volume driven and could make sufficient sales with less profit. For a sole agent in CH to make it,. the label needs to be translated and affixed on the same sized label, but with 2 if not 3 languages written on it, and the client base is around 10% of that to what we compare too, France or Germany.

Sure prices are high here, but so are salaries to compensate, if prices come down to a comparable level to Germany or France, then salaries will surely follow.

I prefer to have higher salary and pay higher prices, it does give more choice and i think we have more disposable income at the end of the month after bills have been paid.

I think though, saying this, Switzerland will be soon forced to review business practices, prices will fall to compare to other countries and salaries have already started to fall, (ask the contractors here about the daily rates) they will have to fall considerably more in order to achieve comparable prices in Europe.
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Honestly, I won't start to research this for you, just check it out yourself how massive the differences especially in non-food drug store stuff is:

Germany: https://www.dm.de/
Switzerland: http://www.coopathome.ch/#utm_medium...tm_campaign=MM
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