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Not too sure about that, what if the goals can not be achieved, at what point do you give up and simply say "Fkuc it" depression leads to more depression stress to more stress.
It works both ways imo. Depends on one's personality and their current up-beatness.
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I have employed this strategy also. However, I have only received 2 or 3 phone calls in 2 years and 1 interview. So your hit rate is quite good!
So what kind of positions have you been looking at?
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

One way to counter unemployment is to become self-employed, i.e., start a business. There are many, many self-employment ideas discussed on the internet. Some might work in one location and others not. These links are from "theselfemployed.com":

http://www.theselfemployed.com/start...-at-home-moms/

http://www.theselfemployed.com/start...can-start-100/
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Just starting a post to get other reactions, viewpoints, experience etc.

Why does it feel that I am the only person unemployed in Switzerland and can't find work no matter how hard I try?

I have been looking for work for over 2 years now.
If your native language is English, have you thought about offering lessons in English to students for example? You can place a little advert in the supermarkets Migros and Coop in your area with your email or telephone number or even a small advert in a newspaper. I found this helped me find students years ago when between jobs.

I placed one in Coop to let a parking space and someone called me within 2 days.
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Hey Southern Star,

I really and truly can relate to you on this,as I am in the same boat currently;and I recently got let go from good friends that founded a new innovating guitar manufacturing company in Reussbühl Kriens/LU.
They're down sizing too...

Being a native Californian.I am very,very worried about my future myself;and I really have no where else to go.

Thank God all mighty for longtime dear Swiss friends;and sadly a lot of my old Swiss friends' parents are dying off too.

I wish to God my parents were still alive.They would really be shocked;because they were from The Great Depression times in America.
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the irony of your comment.... the foreigner complaining that Switzerland should limit x-border hiring.

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Dependent spouse here. Currently underemployed in a rather unoptimal job. Staying in Ticino makes it worse, because of the wage depression. IMO Swiss should limit x-border workers or make employer pay fair wages.

My strategy has been to apply to 100s of jobs, anything remotely relevant. I use indeed.ch, linkedin.com, adecco, etc. It's a really tough market here. Back in the US, my hit ratio was nearly 1 in 10. I have interviewed at jobs in top univs (Ivy League college, UCs etc.) and a few big and small companies. Right now my hit ratio here is nearly 1:100.
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the irony of your comment.... the foreigner complaining that Switzerland should limit x-border hiring.
Why is it ironic? Residents of Switzerland regardless of nationality, should be prioritized over holders of G-permits or applicants who are resident in bordering countries, they have much higher living costs, not to mention compulsory health insurance to pay whether they like it or not, they also pay taxes in Switzerland. Cross-border workers barely contribute.

If someone wants to take up work in Switzerland, shouldn't it be that they also live here? It should only be that if jobs can't be filled with residents that companies are permitted to hire a cross-border worker.

http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/...id3897382.html

http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/zuw...id3886075.html

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Staying in Ticino makes it worse, because of the wage depression. IMO Swiss should limit x-border workers or make employer pay fair wages.
Exactly. I lived in Ticino. The effects of cross-border commuters on the local workforce have been essentially devastating.
Unemployment in Ticino is already double the rate than in the rest of Switzerland.
Salaries in Ticino are already much lower than in the rest of Switzerland. Typically around Fr.1'000.-- to Fr.2'000.-- lower.
Prices though are basically the same! Health insurance is more expensive in Ticino!

Cross border worker salaries cost even less and they typically earn yet a further Fr.1'000.-- less than residents of Ticino.

I worked in a fairly large company where I saw, long-serving (some with 25 - 30 years loyal uninterrupted service) employees 'pensioned off', unwanted 'expensive' local resident employees let go. Nearly all positions were filled with residents of Italy and those that weren't were filled with persons on temporary contracts through agencies. It's all about saving money and optimizing profitability.

http://www.cdt.ch/svizzera/politica/...o-dumping.html

http://www.cdt.ch/ticino/cronaca/132...-la-citta.html

http://www.cdt.ch/ticino/economia/13...ono-61740.html

http://www.mattinonline.ch/quanti-ap...nza-tirocinio/

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I have employed this strategy also. However, I have only received 2 or 3 phone calls in 2 years and 1 interview. So your hit rate is quite good!
If in 2 years you have only had 2-3 phone calls and 1 interview then this is surely a sign that you need to really put more effort in, or develop some additional relevant skills that will appeal to an employer in the industry you are interested in... if only because that is a statistically very low amount of responses to have in that space of time.

I hope that in this 2 years you used the opportunity to get your German up to C1 level or above, because that is what could at least get you some basic jobs to keep you busy and get some pocket money coming in while you work towards what you really want to do.

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If in 2 years you have only had 2-3 phone calls and 1 interview then this is surely a sign that you need to really put more effort in, or develop some additional relevant skills that will appeal to an employer.

I hope that in this 2 years you used the opportunity to get your German up to C1 level or above, because that is what could at least get you some basic jobs to keep you busy and get some pocket money coming in while you work towards what you really want to do.
I don't think that people who are not in this situation can really comprehend how being unemployed for a long time affects a personality. Oh sure, you gig the the old "get up and go" advise, but after a time that has gotten up and left leaving you with nothing, no future that can be seen, no hope that it will get any better, learn additional skills, pray tell me what, "oh any" so you learn a skill only to find that despite you research beforehand nobody is interested in your spanking brand new skill because the next question is gonna be "do you have at least three years experience?"
At some point you fall into depression, you start to have panic attacks at night, and I mean that every night you think you going to die, literally gonna die, your heart beat is irregular, a searing pain in your chest, your limbs are painful, the room you are in expands and contracts, expands and contracts, expands and contracts all night long. Your hair starts to fall out your skin cracks and breaks leaving your hands a bloody mess, your doctor tells you that you need treatment, gives you some pills that makes you lethargic, after a few months of this you are no longer able to function in a normal way.
It takes the greatest of effort simply to get up, feed yourself, wash yourself, get dressed.
Forget the "I'm gonna get a job today" attitude, you know there isn't a job at the end of the rainbow, there is nothing only the same nightly panic attacks and the next day there is still no job to be found, repeat for months and months and months.
You no longer want to be under people, you disconnect yourself from your friends with or without jobs, no longer talk to people, no longer want to talk to people, you look down when you walk in the street, avoid crowds.
In short you are sliding downwards into a hole and you can't stop because there is nothing to hold onto, the thing is that you realize that once you are in the hole there is not way out, never, ever again, most resign themselves to the hole, only a few manage to get out and save themselves at the very last minute, but the cost is great.
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Yes - "Stay Positive" - is very patronising and annoying and usually comes from people who are in jobs.

I have lived and worked in many different countries but have to say that I have never found it this hard to find a job anywhere. I really don't understand the market here!


I was a self-employed Partner in a loss-making 3 persons Company and 3 years ago had to learn that the company no longer could pay me anything. I had to report to RAV etc and as companies are NOT to hire chaps of above 60 finally had to consult the municipality, who helped me out of shit. I went into early retirement, lost a lot of Money but am now quite well off.


I in the past 7 years went through shit, but kept up a positive view on life, and tried to enjoy life.


In YOUR case, a lot depends on
-- your age
-- your professional position
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I don't think that people who are not in this situation can really comprehend how being unemployed for a long time affects a personality. Oh sure, you gig the the old "get up and go" advise, but after a time that has gotten up and left leaving you with nothing, no future that can be seen, no hope that it will get any better, learn additional skills, pray tell me what, "oh any" so you learn a skill only to find that despite you research beforehand nobody is interested in your spanking brand new skill because the next question is gonna be "do you have at least three years experience?"
At some point you fall into depression, you start to have panic attacks at night, and I mean that every night you think you going to die, literally gonna die, your heart beat is irregular, a searing pain in your chest, your limbs are painful, the room you are in expands and contracts, expands and contracts, expands and contracts all night long. Your hair starts to fall out your skin cracks and breaks leaving your hands a bloody mess, your doctor tells you that you need treatment, gives you some pills that makes you lethargic, after a few months of this you are no longer able to function in a normal way.
It takes the greatest of effort simply to get up, feed yourself, wash yourself, get dressed.
Forget the "I'm gonna get a job today" attitude, you know there isn't a job at the end of the rainbow, there is nothing only the same nightly panic attacks and the next day there is still no job to be found, repeat for months and months and months.
You no longer want to be under people, you disconnect yourself from your friends with or without jobs, no longer talk to people, no longer want to talk to people, you look down when you walk in the street, avoid crowds.
In short you are sliding downwards into a hole and you can't stop because there is nothing to hold onto, the thing is that you realize that once you are in the hole there is not way out, never, ever again, most resign themselves to the hole, only a few manage to get out and save themselves at the very last minute, but the cost is great.
It sucks what happened to you slammer, you have my genuine sympathies and I understand why you are now embittered against all things Switzerland, but your personal situation from everything I have read was quite extraordinary and your way of reacting it physically and emotionally was also possibly not how other people would handle it.

The OP is not in your situation, she is a housewife and think that maybe your own personal circumstances regarding your severe physical and mental health issues at the time of your Swiss exit relate to her. I understand you want to talk about it as it affected you so much, but posting doom and gloom and absolute worst case scenarios in every employment-related thread may not always be so constructive.

I don't think anyone is saying that you can wave a magic wand and get a job, but there are ways to maximise the time unemployed like learning the local lingo and then considering taking lower jobs to get yourself out there and in the job market.
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It sucks what happened to you slammer, you have my genuine sympathies and I understand why you are now embittered against all things Switzerland, but your personal situation from everything I have read was quite extraordinary and your way of reacting it physically and emotionally was also possibly not how other people would handle it.

The OP is not in your situation, she is a housewife and think that maybe your own personal circumstances regarding your severe physical and mental health issues at the time of your Swiss exit relate to her. I understand you want to talk about it as it affected you so much, but posting doom and gloom and absolute worst case scenarios in every employment-related thread may not always be so constructive.

I don't think anyone is saying that you can wave a magic wand and get a job, but there are ways to maximise the time unemployed like learning the local lingo and then considering taking lower jobs to get yourself out there and in the job market.
You are probably correct, only I am not embittered against Switzerland alone.
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You are probably correct, only I am not embittered against Switzerland alone.
The important thing is that life is much better for you now, right?
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

Learning the languages is important if you're going to stay longer term than the expat job that brought you here. However, one needs to be realistic - it will probably take a few years before you're proficient enough in the language to be on a good enough level to get a totally local job.

The key is to start early - which may be too late for those who are already "ausgesteuert".

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Why, because many of you have no knowledge of local language, you all think with just English the world is your oyster, and failing to fill the CEO position at Nestle, you can all recycle as "English teachers" on the only criteria that you can speak English.

Tough comment, yes, but realist, learn the local language and you open up the horizens and your English becomes useful, if you only speak English you are at a very serious disadvantage to all other candidates, most of whom speak at least 2, if not 3 languages (and are able to read/write in these languages too....)
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Why is it ironic? Residents of Switzerland regardless of nationality, should be prioritized over holders of G-permits or applicants who are resident in bordering countries, they have much higher living costs, not to mention compulsory health insurance to pay whether they like it or not, they also pay taxes in Switzerland. Cross-border workers barely contribute.

If someone wants to take up work in Switzerland, shouldn't it be that they also live here? It should only be that if jobs can't be filled with residents that companies are permitted to hire a cross-border worker.

http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/...id3897382.html

http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/zuw...id3886075.html



Exactly. I lived in Ticino. The effects of cross-border commuters on the local workforce have been essentially devastating.
Unemployment in Ticino is already double the rate than in the rest of Switzerland.
Salaries in Ticino are already much lower than in the rest of Switzerland. Typically around Fr.1'000.-- to Fr.2'000.-- lower.
Prices though are basically the same! Health insurance is more expensive in Ticino!

Cross border worker salaries cost even less and they typically earn yet a further Fr.1'000.-- less than residents of Ticino.

I worked in a fairly large company where I saw, long-serving (some with 25 - 30 years loyal uninterrupted service) employees 'pensioned off', unwanted 'expensive' local resident employees let go. Nearly all positions were filled with residents of Italy and those that weren't were filled with persons on temporary contracts through agencies. It's all about saving money and optimizing profitability.

http://www.cdt.ch/svizzera/politica/...o-dumping.html

http://www.cdt.ch/ticino/cronaca/132...-la-citta.html

http://www.cdt.ch/ticino/economia/13...ono-61740.html

http://www.mattinonline.ch/quanti-ap...nza-tirocinio/
If someone wants to take up work in Switzerland, shouldn't it be that they also live here?

No. If you live in the region, is acquainted with the place, have your network, etc, and still cannot compete for the job with a foreigner, than it's your fault and not his/her.

Also keep in mind that there are many Italian companies that moved operations to Ticino despite the higher wages.
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[I][B]Also keep in mind that there are many Italian companies that moved operations to Ticino despite the higher wages. and brought their entire work force and cheap wages with them
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The important thing is that life is much better for you now, right?
Hell yes.
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If someone wants to take up work in Switzerland, shouldn't it be that they also live here?

No. If you live in the region, is acquainted with the place, have your network, etc, and still cannot compete for the job with a foreigner, than it's your fault and not his/her.

Also keep in mind that there are many Italian companies that moved operations to Ticino despite the higher wages.
Victim blaming is quite the fashion these days.

Is there a statistics on the number of G permit workers in the relocated Italian companies? Did the companies move to TI for tax reasons?
Do the worker in any way support the TI economy or they prefer to drive a Italian registered car, serviced in a garage in Italy, stay in a border town in Italy, and buy their stuff in Italy?
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Why is it ironic? Residents of Switzerland regardless of nationality, should be prioritized over holders of G-permits or applicants who are resident in bordering countries, they have much higher living costs, not to mention compulsory health insurance to pay whether they like it or not, they also pay taxes in Switzerland. Cross-border workers barely contribute.
What nonsense! Of course they do pay taxes in Switzerland (to their advantage!) and must apply for health insurance! http://www.news.admin.ch/NSBSubscrib...ents/33171.pdf http://www.jgk.be.ch/jgk/de/index/pr...%C3%A4nder.pdf
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Just starting a post to get other reactions, viewpoints, experience etc.

Why does it feel that I am the only person unemployed in Switzerland and can't find work no matter how hard I try?

I have been looking for work for over 2 years now.
2 years eh? That must sound like a long time for you, 2 years.

It isnt. Relax. Chill and be patient.

And get to know people who can get a job for you. Without solid qualifications it will take time. One realy has to be alert to any oppertunities that come along. Check the internet job sites regularly too.

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