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Why does it feel that I am the only person unemployed in Switzerland and can't find work no matter how hard I try?

I have been looking for work for over 2 years now.
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Re: Unemployed in Switzeland

Ugh... I'm gonna be there soon I imagine. I always take forever finding a job and its always the 200th application that finally works out. My wife is working in ZH now and I'll be arriving next week and starting the process all over again. Not looking forward to that, but I am also hoping that people will at least stop telling me to "stay positive" and "everything will always work out" and "life has a plan". They dont really work as encouragement when you've heard them 100 times. I know people mean well and can't come up with an original consolement on the spot, but I guess I just don't want people to know.
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

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Just starting a post to get other reactions, viewpoints, experience etc.

Why does it feel that I am the only person unemployed in Switzerland and can't find work no matter how hard I try?

I have been looking for work for over 2 years now.
Hi,
Am not quite sure why you feel alone. I and at at least three of my near neighbours are unemployed - each has his own story -very few frequent threads other than foreign companies cutting back on their expensive swiss employees -The employment situation is tough and there is a lot of competition -so many people wanting to take part in the Swiss economic success story - hang on in there. You only need one job.
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

It probably doesn't make you feel much better, but you're not alone:

Hunting for a job

Reaching the point of giving up

The job the dreams... Not

Stay-at-Home Spouses [unemployed, depressed, bored to tears]

The job market is very competitive right now. It seems everyone wants to find a job here because of the good wages and quality of life. Just look at how many non-EU newbies we get each day that have never visited here but are sure they want to move here. Add in all the trailing spouses, EUs that want to move here and take a chance, etc. and it's quite a crowd.

The harsh reality is that unless you have great language abilities or some other in-demand skills, it's going to take time and maybe a little luck. All you can do is keep your chin up, make sure your CV stands out, network-network-network and if you don't have the language skills yet work on them and make it clear you're working on them.

I do recommend you stay positive (sorry curran!), because when you get downtrodden you can come across as desperate to potential employers. You might think it sounds good that you'll take any job at all, even one beneath your skill level. But an employer wants to know why they should hire you and can't live without you.
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

Yes - "Stay Positive" - is very patronising and annoying and usually comes from people who are in jobs.

I have lived and worked in many different countries but have to say that I have never found it this hard to find a job anywhere. I really don't understand the market here!
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

I have been unemployed for three months now but this is not unusual for me as I usually only get 1 year or six month contracts.

I have an L permit until next year but now I am getting a lot pressure from the RAV. Their latest gimmick is to send me on a 40 day "how do i apply for jobs in Switzerland " course. I speak near fluent German and gaining contracts as an interim manager is what I do.

During this time I won`t be counted as unemployed, so this is how they keep the numbers down.

So no you`re not the only one and the Swiss seem to make it harder still

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Yes - "Stay Positive" - is very patronising and annoying and usually comes from people who are in jobs.

I have lived and worked in many different countries but have to say that I have never found it this hard to find a job anywhere. I really don't understand the market here!
I agree with you about the patronising comment, but it always helps to hear about others in a similar situation. Most jobs go by word of mouth (hence the advice to network). Swiss companies do not want the pain of interviewing, and are often happy to take someone on recommendation. Written references are a must. There is resentment in some quarters over what are seen as arrogant english speaking expats who do not keep to the rules and make little effort to integrate -that said, the swiss are not renowned for making integration easy -you get both points of view on this forum.
Does anyone understand Switzerland?
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

Dependent spouse here. Currently underemployed in a rather unoptimal job. Staying in Ticino makes it worse, because of the wage depression. IMO Swiss should limit x-border workers or make employer pay fair wages.

My strategy has been to apply to 100s of jobs, anything remotely relevant. I use indeed.ch, linkedin.com, adecco, etc. It's a really tough market here. Back in the US, my hit ratio was nearly 1 in 10. I have interviewed at jobs in top univs (Ivy League college, UCs etc.) and a few big and small companies. Right now my hit ratio here is nearly 1:100.
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Dependent spouse here. Currently underemployed in a rather unoptimal job. Staying in Ticino makes it worse, because of the wage depression. IMO Swiss should limit x-border workers or make employer pay fair wages.

My strategy has been to apply to 100s of jobs, anything remotely relevant. I use indeed.ch, linkedin.com, adecco, etc. It's a really tough market here. Back in the US, my hit ratio was nearly 1 in 10. I have interviewed at jobs in top univs (Ivy League college, UCs etc.) and a few big and small companies. Right now my hit ratio here is nearly 1:100.
I have employed this strategy also. However, I have only received 2 or 3 phone calls in 2 years and 1 interview. So your hit rate is quite good!
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

Won't repeat any cliches but I would add that no way I would stay in any country for that long without a job.

Perhaps time to start considering moving to another country? Both Germany and the UK are powerhouses not far from here, with lots of available jobs. Have you considered expanding your search?
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Won't repeat any cliches but I would add that no way I would stay in any country for that long without a job.

Perhaps time to start considering moving to another country? Both Germany and the UK are powerhouses not far from here, with lots of available jobs. Have you considered expanding your search?

Absolutely agree, however partner is working in busy job and the exceptional Swiss Childcare system means that I am tied to the house! Both of us not from here and so no family to fall back on. If I went working abroad, still wouldn't be able to afford daycare based on foreign salaries.

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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

Apart from keep applying jobs, how about using this opportunity to improve your language skills? It would not only be useful in the future, but also motivates you to keep going and have some foreseeable plans and goals?
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

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Why does it feel that I am the only person unemployed in Switzerland and can't find work no matter how hard I try?

I have been looking for work for over 2 years now.
Two years, and complaining, already? Don't know your age or what you do but two years without finding a job in CH and a expat to boot go look for another country to be unemployed in. Your 400 days over and you are Ausgesteuert? Go for greener pastures and give CH a double middle finger on the way out. Save yourself sooooooo much hassle and tears and frustration and depression and god knows what else, it simply isn't worth it.


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Just read the new posts, well then, get ready to be a bored housewife the chances of a job are somewhere between non existent and ain't gonna happen.
But here is the thing money isn't everything, quality of life is far more important and you can have that elsewhere far more easily.
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Apart from keep applying jobs, how about using this opportunity to improve your language skills? It would not only be useful in the future, but also motivates you to keep going and have some foreseeable plans and goals?
Stress and depression are the worst motivators.
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Stress and depression are the worst motivators.
It could be the opposite: having goals to be achieved could alleviate stress and repel depression.
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Yes - "Stay Positive" - is very patronising and annoying and usually comes from people who are in jobs.

I have lived and worked in many different countries but have to say that I have never found it this hard to find a job anywhere. I really don't understand the market here!
Been there, I know how it feels. But think twice about what you actually wish for.
Does that mean you'd prefer the following

"It's all your fault. You should have known"
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"Time for you to pick your ten out of your behind"
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"Time for you to get moving, be that figuratively or physically. Just do it"
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"Stop whining, get active"
etc

I mean, really, how do you expect people to react!?! Presumably the majority don't even know you well enough to comment. If you prefer no remarks at all - simples, don't tell.

Those relevant to you will be up-to-date without them asking because you'll have told them (will have offloaded onto them) before they'd even ask (dont' take that as an offense, I've been there).
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It could be the opposite: having goals to be achieved could alleviate stress and repel depression.
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

Why, because many of you have no knowledge of local language, you all think with just English the world is your oyster, and failing to fill the CEO position at Nestle, you can all recycle as "English teachers" on the only criteria that you can speak English.

Tough comment, yes, but realist, learn the local language and you open up the horizens and your English becomes useful, if you only speak English you are at a very serious disadvantage to all other candidates, most of whom speak at least 2, if not 3 languages (and are able to read/write in these languages too....)
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Re: Unemployed in Switzerland

I've been unemployed for 3 years and had no idea what the hell to do about it other than send off applications, because I was never informed about my options.

It was only recently that I was directed to the BIZ and RAV, who seem to be somewhat confident that they can find me work. It will be difficult, because the fact that I've been out of work for so long raises questions, the obvious being, "What have you been doing all this time?" and may make employers iffy about choosing me over someone else. But my RAV adviser has me doing things, keeping me busy, and I feel like I'm making progress, even though there's still a lot to be done.

I assume you are also signed on with them? Because that's honestly your best option. Without assistance, especially if the language is a problem, it's going to be very hard to find some work.

If you haven't been doing so already, try and find yourself a few days' working experience. It looks good on your application, and will encourage people to hire you. The RAV should have forms that your supervisor at the workplace can fill out after you've completed a few days' experience. You may even be paid for your efforts, and you'll get to see if the job you've had a taste of is the one you want.
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It could be the opposite: having goals to be achieved could alleviate stress and repel depression.
Not too sure about that, what if the goals can not be achieved, at what point do you give up and simply say "Fkuc it" depression leads to more depression stress to more stress.
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