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Re: Working in Switzerland: An American perspective

Why only compare with the Swiss?

How about comparing with Luxembourg instead?
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German tourists or Swiss Germans....
Both.

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Old 23.07.2015, 09:07
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Why only compare with the Swiss?

How about comparing with Luxembourg instead?
Because Luxembourg is a tiny extremely wealthy country which is hard to compare to anything bigger. The data for Monaco is missing but I'd bet they are pretty high as well up the list.

If it makes you happy: Some very small, very rich countries might have a higher CO2 output per capita than the US. Including but not limited to Kuwait, Bahrain, Brunei and Aruba.
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Nope. Compared to Switzerland.

Almost everything I've eaten in the United States has been fresher, tastier and much better quality than anything you can get in Switzerland.

The only significant exception so far being coffee.

Not that I'd want to live in the US, mind, but the food really is way better.
I find that an extraordinary statement. Unless things have changed radically in the last year or two, I've always found supermarket shopping in the US to be dispiriting -- especially the produce. Take apples for instance -- tend to be huge but lacking in flavour. And have you tried being a cheese enthusiast in the US? Other stuff, particularly meat, processed food and convenience food is massively varied, but I've never had much luck with the fresh stuff. Looks great but tastes bland.

Eating out is different. It's a nation of cheap and easily available comfort food, and I love that as much as the next fat bloke. But supermarkets? Meh!
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oh! you seem to know "her" very well. and you seem very sensitive to comments that deal with experiences different than "hers"... interesting!

thankfully, not everyone has the same black and white view of the two. and i still think that if she had such a tough life in the u.s, perhaps she choose the wrong sort of life style to live. either way. i'm happy here, i was happy there.

i'm lucky not to be one of those people who b*tch and groan everyone who disagrees with an ridiculously one sided article, nor someone who complains a certain time of life style without making significant changes in my life to live differently- seems easy to blame her unhappiness and pace of work/life balance on the u.s or likewise say that switzerland is so much better. good for her but not certainly for everyone her or there!
The groans are not due to disagreement, they're because you posted BS.

The article is not an analyis, it verbalizes an opinion. Opinions usually include bias.

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yes! and i wonder how loooooong her stay in switzerland (as a freelance writer???? freelancing sucks everywhere- it's never a good situation anywhere) was ...staying 6months to 2 years is certainly quite different from a longer or permanent stay and what you experience.
"Before I moved to Switzerland for almost a decade,"

"During my Swiss career, I was employed by various companies from 25 percent to 100 percent", freelancing is only mentioned in relation to her job interview in the US after returning.

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Yeah, but the tomatoes taste better in America.


They're called Ketchup!
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Nope. Compared to Switzerland.

Almost everything I've eaten in the United States has been fresher, tastier and much better quality than anything you can get in Switzerland.

The only significant exception so far being coffee.

Not that I'd want to live in the US, mind, but the food really is way better.


But would you live in the "Great West" of Switzerland where we enjoy the culinary influences of both France and Italy, you would gorge every day on tomatoes of all shapes and colours and go "Wicked!"
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The groans are not due to disagreement, they're because you posted BS.

The article is not an analyis, it verbalizes an opinion. Opinions usually include bias.



"Before I moved to Switzerland for almost a decade,"

"During my Swiss career, I was employed by various companies from 25 percent to 100 percent", freelancing is only mentioned in relation to her job interview in the US after returning.

RTFA
strange you would be defending groans by someone else using quite the same writing style---- i posted my opinion. you may think it is bs. so could your alter ego. but imho, the article is the biggest bs of all...

and, in terms of my comments on freelancing and working time- 25-100% is quite a big jump- quite different to compare working 25/30/40/80 % in one country while working freelance (which is typically 100+% or crazy hours, etc) in the u.s. these type of articles are written are fluff. written in a quick minute with a blanketing and generalizing statement. perhaps the "author" could say that was her experience, but to compare and state that it is the difference between one country to another- (esp two completely incomparable countries) is a bit ridiculous. i'm sure all three of you understand
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strange you would be defending groans by someone else using quite the same writing style---- i posted my opinion. you may think it is bs. so could your alter ego. but imho, the article is the biggest bs of all...
Actually, it would appear that he posted an analysis of your post.
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Actually, it would appear that he posted an analysis of your post.
that's not the part i'm speaking of... that much, thanks, i could figure out. i'm speaking of his style of writing and typing...
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imho, the article is the biggest bs of all...
I, on the other hand, found it to be completely accurate.

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I, on the other hand, found it to be completely accurate.

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well, tom, that's my case in point
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I find that an extraordinary statement. Unless things have changed radically in the last year or two, I've always found supermarket shopping in the US to be dispiriting -- especially the produce. Take apples for instance -- tend to be huge but lacking in flavour. And have you tried being a cheese enthusiast in the US? Other stuff, particularly meat, processed food and convenience food is massively varied, but I've never had much luck with the fresh stuff. Looks great but tastes bland.

Eating out is different. It's a nation of cheap and easily available comfort food, and I love that as much as the next fat bloke. But supermarkets? Meh!
the problem is that you are going to supermarkets. plenty of places to get delicious produce- even in the cities
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... Take apples for instance -- tend to be huge but lacking in flavour. ...
Funny you mention apples! Some 15 years ago, I was in Houston for 3 months as part of a secondment, and had a lot of difficulty with the restaurant portions. In the end, I decided to eat fruits and cereal bars, just to reduce all that waste! Phew, I remember how I could never hold the apple in my one hand - they were so big and what they had in size, they lacked in taste.

Too bad that was before the selfie and mobile phone photos. I could have made a perfect depiction of Rene Magritte's "Son of Man"
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plenty of places to get delicious produce- even in the cities
Unless one is in Ohio.

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Re: Working in Switzerland: An American perspective

I feel all it comes down to is money. Switzerland is a small, relatively rich country. The US is a gigantic, well off country: The key point is the millions of rich in the US are happy and quiet, where the multiple millions of middle-class and lower have made do with cheaper housing (framed wood), and jobs with less benefits so they can live comfortably enough to complain on the internet. Those who are happy to have a job and a place to live could really care less about the quality of tomatoes or other American food they can find (First world problems!)

If they were to take 25 days off a year, yes there's a good chance that they would lose their job, or someone who takes less time off would usurp the position, but that's part of the "American dream" style. Everyone has the opportunity to be as wealthy as they would like, they are only limited by their ambition and motivation, but I can guarantee that those complaining online about the rich are fairly comfortable not working to improve their lifestyle.
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I feel all it comes down to is money. Switzerland is a small, relatively rich country. The US is a gigantic, well off country: The key point is the millions of rich in the US are happy and quiet, where the multiple millions of middle-class and lower have made do with cheaper housing (framed wood), and jobs with less benefits so they can live comfortably enough to complain on the internet. Those who are happy to have a job and a place to live could really care less about the quality of tomatoes or other American food they can find (First world problems!)

If they were to take 25 days off a year, yes there's a good chance that they would lose their job, or someone who takes less time off would usurp the position, but that's part of the "American dream" style. Everyone has the opportunity to be as wealthy as they would like, they are only limited by their ambition and motivation, but I can guarantee that those complaining online about the rich are fairly comfortable not working to improve their lifestyle.


"Only limited by their ambition and motivation"...wow! That's grand! Sex, colour, age, disability, access to higher education, having to look after young kids, poverty cycle...of course, all of these play no role whatsoever!
It is also reassuring to read that you know THAT MANY poor people complaining about the rich to guarantee that you are perfectly au fait with their living conditions and lifestyles. I leave 5 days for Central Switzerland and I come back in 1984 (George Orwell's!)
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"Only limited by their ambition and motivation"...wow! That's grand! Sex, colour, age, disability, access to higher education, having to look after young kids, poverty cycle...of course, all of these play no role whatsoever!
you forgot haircolor, eyecolor, height, weight, beauty, voice, sociability, sleep, mood, luck, place, time, dropped-on-head-as-kid.

but that's about it.
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Here is the key to the debate: Portion sizes. Sweetcorn does not lead to more diabetes than Roesti, but the size and calories of an average US meal is simply higher cause they eat so much of it.

As a cheapskate did I never understand how they can sell different soda sizes and still offer free refills, but anyway: A large coke in a cinema came in a sort of bucket that was larger than a supermarket size European 1.5 liter bottle...
yeah, but the small ones you have to refill yourself! sometimes that even involves walking more than 10 steps, or isn't easily reachable by lardmobile.
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"Only limited by their ambition and motivation"...wow! That's grand! Sex, colour, age, disability, access to higher education, having to look after young kids, poverty cycle...of course, all of these play no role whatsoever!
It is also reassuring to read that you know THAT MANY poor people complaining about the rich to guarantee that you are perfectly au fait with their living conditions and lifestyles. I leave 5 days for Central Switzerland and I come back in 1984 (George Orwell's!)

If someone is going to play the victim card for their own self feeling of inferiority, fine.

There are countless stories of people of all sex, ability, colour, age, family decisions becoming extremely successful. Maybe they have to work harder than others to get there, but that's their choice and responsibility (hmm, something along the lines of ambition and motivation I think). The American dream in action!
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