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Common courtesy on public transport

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After a partly shitty day, I hopped on the bus in the evening with my bags which comfortably fit on my knees. I then looked for a seat and the closest one was an aisle seat next to window seat occupied by a purse and a crutch leaning against it from the seat across. On that seat a man was sitting and next to him a lady.

So I sat down on the empty aisle seat and put my bags on my knees. The man then rushed trying to move the crutch and the bag next to me. I repeatedly said, "No problem, don't worry" with a huge smile. It's a bus ride and I'm not two people but one so why should I take up a second seat.
The guy still tried to remove his things and the lady chimed in, smiling and saying that I should have a place to deposit my bags too. I smiled back and said that my bags weigh about a pound and that it [their being on my knees] is absolutely no problem, to just let things be.
(Note that I would've acted exactly the same if the man had been able-bodied with no sign of ill health/accident etc.)

The man looked relieved and I sat back and enjoyed the ride with both of my seat-opposites smiling at me.
I exited the bus with a friendly "goodbye" which they returned in unison.

Some stops before my exit, I noticed a man in the back of the bus with obvious gait problems. He staggered his way past an unoccupied aisle seat and reached the seat in the row in front of that aisle seat, where the person at the window seat kindly removed her bag from the aisle seat to let him sit down.

I went on my way wondering, why do some people think that common courtesy only applies when there is a visible physical impairment (which includes crutches or a wheelchair)?

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Old 23.07.2015, 23:37
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

Not sure. Got on the bus today with a small suitcase and a very nice lady pulled down that seat next to her to allow me to sit down more quickly. (those seats in the bus that can make space for wheelchairs etc)

On the other hand there was one woman who just resisted to move from her aisle seat although the bus was quite full (you know, the I need to get out at the 15th stop after this and you cannot ask me to get at the window seat person).

Basically there are nice people and not so nice people
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Old 24.07.2015, 00:09
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

"Is someone sitting here?" (the question to ask if you are standing next to an empty aisle seat with a person in the window seat or a person in the aisle seat with an empty window seat next to him if you don't want to just sit down on the unoccupied seat without asking, because, despite not asking not being the epitome of politeness, the empty seat is unoccupied)

"No, it's taken by my friend who will come at stop so-and-so", - mostly the "non-risky" way of saying "get the **** away from my precious bag which needs its own seat."


"Well, then I'll sit down and your friend can come when he comes."

Cue the evil glare.

n stops later, you exit, without "friend" ever having shown up.
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Old 24.07.2015, 09:12
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

Why not go to a psychology forum and post the same or look at other similar posts and look at the replies.

Evolution of the human brain.

Western indoctrination.

Instincts Vs learned behaviour.

Western value systems.

The rise of Narcissism.

How babies brains develop.

The rise of Futilism in the 1920's and 1930's.


Etc.
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Old 24.07.2015, 09:40
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

The Swiss are pretty special when it comes to public courtesy. On the one hand you have those who will immediately see people getting on a bus or train, and then you have those that are seemingly completely oblivious to their surroundings and will only grudgingly move their stuff after having to ask them, despite it being very clear that there are a ton of people on the vehicle looking to sit down. What also annoys me is on the train to the airport where some travellers think it is ok to block 3 or 4 seats with their roller luggage. I mean FFS, go and take it and stand in the door areas where there is space to stand with it all without affecting people wanting to sit!

*rant over*
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Old 24.07.2015, 11:08
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

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The Swiss are pretty special when it comes to public courtesy. On the one hand you have those who will immediately see people getting on a bus or train, and then you have those that are seemingly completely oblivious to their surroundings and will only grudgingly move their stuff after having to ask them, despite it being very clear that there are a ton of people on the vehicle looking to sit down. What also annoys me is on the train to the airport where some travellers think it is ok to block 3 or 4 seats with their roller luggage. I mean FFS, go and take it and stand in the door areas where there is space to stand with it all without affecting people wanting to sit!

*rant over*
I agree, but the problem with most of the airport bound trains is that there is little or no luggage area. Blocking the seats is a pain in the bum but there is often no alternative, which doesn't mean it's ok to spread it over as large a space as possible
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Old 24.07.2015, 11:13
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I agree, but the problem with most of the airport bound trains is that there is little or no luggage area. Blocking the seats is a pain in the bum but there is often no alternative, which doesn't mean it's ok to spread it over as large a space as possible
Leave it outside of the sitting area then. Just because you can't find a parking space doesn't make it ok to park your car on the sidewalk.
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Old 24.07.2015, 17:11
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Leave it outside of the sitting area then. Just because you can't find a parking space doesn't make it ok to park your car on the sidewalk.
In some cases you can use the rail service offered by SBB for your checked luggage - as for hand luggage it isn't that hard to purchase rollaboards/bags/cases which fit between the train chair back gaps which are shaped like this

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The SWISS hand luggage size limit (55x40x20) fits in those gaps. If there are free gaps within your sight, it is only fair to use those gaps rather than placing your case right next to/in front of you and thus blocking a seat.

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I mean FFS, go and take it and stand in the door areas where there is space to stand with it all without affecting people wanting to sit!

*rant over*
Good idea, but sometimes standing in the doorways can be super annoying for those entering trains, depending on how many people need to board the train and how much luggage you have.
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Old 24.07.2015, 17:49
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

I was on the London underground earlier in the year when a lady offered me her seat - I thanked her but declined.
The reason being that she was actually older than me - Boy I must have looked rough that day
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Old 25.07.2015, 09:44
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The Swiss are pretty special when it comes to public courtesy. On the one hand you have those who will immediately see people getting on a bus or train, and then you have those that are seemingly completely oblivious to their surroundings and will only grudgingly move their stuff after having to ask them, despite it being very clear that there are a ton of people on the vehicle looking to sit down. What also annoys me is on the train to the airport where some travellers think it is ok to block 3 or 4 seats with their roller luggage. I mean FFS, go and take it and stand in the door areas where there is space to stand with it all without affecting people wanting to sit!

*rant over*
I agree. I catch IR train that goes to the airport from Luzern. People actually sit with their roller bags occupying seats in the carriage where half of it is for luggage/bikes On the 5.10 pm train in peak commuter time, people usually tell them where they can "stick" their luggage.
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

It's a different culture. In Australia, children are taught to stand for adults on public transport. Two reasons for this: (1) it is a mark of respect for your elders, (2) you are given a reduced fare, so you make way for adults who pay for a full fare. Over here, most kids and teenagers don't seem to offer their seat for others.
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

It's also about the extent to which schools in Australia feel able / obliged to take responsibility for their students en route. Because of school uniforms, they are easily identifiable as belonging to a particular school, and it is common for members of the public to ring the school to complain about students not standing for someone, or blocking the aisle with their bags, or or not having their shirts tucked in, or whatever.

I've seen school rules, for example, stipulating that boys must stand for all adults, and females of ages, meaning a 16 y o boy with a heavy bag and cello standing up for a six year old girl. Seems a bit much, but there you go.
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Over here, most kids and teenagers don't seem to offer their seat for others.
Maybe it depends on location/time, as I've seen a surprising number of kids get up as soon as an older/disabled person steps onto the bus/tram.
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It's a different culture. In Australia, children are taught to stand for adults on public transport. Two reasons for this: (1) it is a mark of respect for your elders, (2) you are given a reduced fare, so you make way for adults who pay for a full fare. Over here, most kids and teenagers don't seem to offer their seat for others.
Re point 2, does that mean pensioners should give up their seats for those who pay full fare?
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

it's much better on the night trains.....



I can tell you he was trying to fix his trousers that seemed shredded and did not get a ticket check. So if you forget to pay the 5 francs extra, just do this....
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

I find it really annoying when people sit on the aisle and put their bags on the window seat. They will not make eye contact with you so you can ask for a seat. If you want two seats pay for a taxi.

My other pet hate is that people getting on the tram or train will not wait and let people exit the tram or train first. You could be knocked over in the rush when the tram/train arrives at the stop/station.
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I find it really annoying when people sit on the aisle and put their bags on the window seat. They will not make eye contact with you so you can ask for a seat. If you want two seats pay for a taxi.
Reciprocate. Pick up the bag and drop in the walkway, ideally a few yards away from them so they have to get up.

All of a sudden there are even two free seats
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I find it really annoying when people sit on the aisle and put their bags on the window seat. They will not make eye contact with you so you can ask for a seat.
Just say, "Bitte nehmen Sie Ihre Tasche weg" and sit in said window seat. Problem solved.
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Just say, "Bitte nehmen Sie Ihre Tasche weg" and sit in said window seat. Problem solved.
Wouldn't work around these parts.
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Re: Common courtesy on public transport

I'm not sure that it would work here.

I wouldn't say 'Please take your bag away' in English so I wouldn't phrase it like that in German either.

'Could you perhaps move your bag so that I can sit down' is more my line. (In dialect of course, but I'm not trying that out on here.)
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