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Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

So I'm planning to relocate to Switzerland, and been thinking about these two cities. I'm here to ask some general information about life in them (and Switzerland in general) and which city you would recommend. I can speak both German and French relatively well, my German being a bit weaker, but I'm willing to take courses to improve it.


Some questions I'd like to to know:
Cost of living.

Differences and similiarities in local culture.

Which palce has better shopping opportunities (I'm really into shopping lol)?

Which one of them is more socially conservative?

Which place has more international crowd?

In what ways are the women, in general, different (for dating purposes )?

How are the locals in these two cities in general?

Anything else you might come up with that would be important to know about these cities or the country in general.


So yeah, I'd like to know which city would be better to stay in. I've been also considering moving to France so if you got some information and recommendations between Switzerland and France that'd be graet too, but it's not that important since Switzerland is my main focus now.


Thanks in advance
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Re: Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

Before you start thinking about where to live, have you researched how (or if) you qualify for a permit?

You list Pennsylvania in your profile - are you a US citizen? If so and if that is your only citizenship means your options are limited. Do you have claim to an EU citizenship as well?
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Re: Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

If I had to choose between the two it would be Zurich every time. In fairness I have only been to Geneva once.

My main reasons for selecting Zurich over Geneva would be its location within Switzerland and it is almost the capital in all but name. i.e. Virtually everything revolves around Zurich

Geneva may host more International organisations but is somewhat isolated from the rest of the country
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Re: Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

I lived happily in Zurich but liked to visit Geneva when I could, both because I have friends there, and because it was nice to understand everything without even thinking about it, all the time (I am fluent in French but was only a beginner in German, and even worse in Swiss German).

I think it was a very good thing for me that I lived in Zurich, but I believe I would have been happy in Geneva too. If I ever moved back to Switzerland, knowing what I know today, I think I'd choose to settle down in Bern. I really, really liked the city, and despite the fact that some consider it a bit "sleepy", I thought it had a lot to offer. Added bonuses: some of my favorite spots are in the Berner Oberland, so I'd have easy access to those; I could speak French there (and still practice my German); it's very easy to access many parts of the country from there, so I could still visit my friends in various locations.

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So I'm planning to relocate to Switzerland, and been thinking about these two cities. I'm here to ask some general information about life in them (and Switzerland in general) and which city you would recommend. I can speak both German and French relatively well, my German being a bit weaker, but I'm willing to take courses to improve it.


Some questions I'd like to to know:
Cost of living.

Differences and similiarities in local culture.

Which palce has better shopping opportunities (I'm really into shopping lol)?

Which one of them is more socially conservative?

Which place has more international crowd?

In what ways are the women, in general, different (for dating purposes )?

How are the locals in these two cities in general?

Anything else you might come up with that would be important to know about these cities or the country in general.


So yeah, I'd like to know which city would be better to stay in. I've been also considering moving to France so if you got some information and recommendations between Switzerland and France that'd be graet too, but it's not that important since Switzerland is my main focus now.


Thanks in advance
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Before you start thinking about where to live, have you researched how (or if) you qualify for a permit?

You list Pennsylvania in your profile - are you a US citizen? If so and if that is your only citizenship means your options are limited. Do you have claim to an EU citizenship as well?
Exactly. You can't just turn up and move in you know. As a non-EU national you need to have a job offer which has been approved by the Swiss authorities or be independently wealthy enough that you don't have to work ever.

Swiss/EU nationals are given priority in the jobs market so unless you're highly skilled with several years' experience to go with it you're unlikely to get a job here. The criteria for hiring is here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

And for your information the rules for getting into France - or any other European country for that matter - are just as strict, i.e. have an approved job there or be wealthy enough not to need to work.

As an American citizen you do know you'll still be required to file US tax returns no matter where you live in the world. You could also end up owing the US taxes on top of what you pay in local ones.

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Inter...-Aliens-Abroad

To get a bank account anywhere in the world you will need to sign a W-9 form to allow said bank to pass that account info on to the IRS and you would also need to file an FBAR form if the amount in your "foreign", i.e. outside of US, account/s comes to more than $10,000 at any time of the year.
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Re: Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

the only question i can answer is that Zurich women are cold....way colder than their Geneva counterparts.
one of my friends asked me if Zurich women are as cold as ice, to which I replied "nah, ice melts eventually"
an apt description if there ever was one...
for what reason, I am not sure (still figuring that one out), but 8/10 girls i met in my weekend trips to geneva I would date in a heartbeat. hell some invited me over for ibiza holidays after only going out with them twice.

the zurich women on the other hand lack that personality that makes women women. its tough to describe but they are very anti social, don't understand humor and generally aren't easily approachable.

i narrowed that problem down to my own language barrier. in geneva, if a woman can't speak english with you, she will try french, italian, vague hand gestures etc. in zurich, if you dont speak german, you dont speak to her at all (attitude for days).

a buddy of mine noticed that if he wasn't clean shaved every day, he would get generally negative responses from women in the street (not hookers, just general women that you see in public on your way to work).

before i get my head bitten off in the forum, i am speaking from my own (albeit terrible but still) experiences in zurich and geneva in the last 6 months of moving here. im sure theres either something im missing or a certain code i havent cracked to enable me to like and enjoy zurich women, however at this point in time, i'll stick to my geneva honeys
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Re: Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

Your replies are likely to be biased towards Zurich, due to the number of users of this forum who live in Zurich...

To answer the questions:

Cost of living: No significant difference.

Differences and similiarities in local culture: Zurich is more like Germany, Geneva more like France. Depending on your viewpoint on the tradeoff between cleanliness vs obeying rules, your preference may vary.

Which palce has better shopping opportunities (I'm really into shopping lol)? Zurich is approximately twice the size (400k people vs 200k people in the respective cities) and hence has more shops.

Which one of them is more socially conservative? Probably Zurich.

Which place has more international crowd? Both are very multi-national with significant numbers of foreigners. Zurich is 31% foreigners, Geneva is 48%.

In what ways are the women, in general, different (for dating purposes )? See differences in culture, above.

How are the locals in these two cities in general? Real locals in both Geneva and Zurich seem anecdotally to take some time to become friends with, likely due to the number of foreigners who come, stay a few years and then leave again. Personal experience in Geneva is that they are very friendly if you make the effort.

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Which one of them is more socially conservative?

In what ways are the women, in general, different (for dating purposes )?


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so you want a socially conservative place with loose women?


Why do you want to move to Switzerland?
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Your replies are likely to be biased towards Zurich, due to the number of users of this forum who live in Zurich...

To answer the questions:

Cost of living: No significant difference.

Differences and similiarities in local culture: Zurich is more like Germany, Geneva more like France. Depending on your viewpoint on the tradeoff between cleanliness vs obeying rules, your preference may vary.

Which palce has better shopping opportunities (I'm really into shopping lol)? Zurich is approximately twice the size (400k people vs 200k people in the respective cities) and hence has more shops.

Which one of them is more socially conservative? Probably Zurich.

Which place has more international crowd? Both are very multi-national with significant numbers of foreigners. Zurich is 31% foreigners, Geneva is 48%.

In what ways are the women, in general, different (for dating purposes )? See differences in culture, above.

How are the locals in these two cities in general? Real locals in both Geneva and Zurich seem anecdotally to take some time to become friends with, likely due to the number of foreigners who come, stay a few years and then leave again. Personal experience in Geneva is that they are very friendly if you make the effort.
Really good summary.


However, in todays time and age I will never understand how anyone can think of moving anywhere without having at least been there for a few days. Sorry I just don't get that. Take a holiday and come and visit. See the two cities for yourself and try to get a feel for them. If you speak both French and German even better! But as others have said make sure that you are even allowed to just up and move.


Good luck!
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the only question i can answer is that Zurich women are cold....way colder than their Geneva counterparts.
one of my friends asked me if Zurich women are as cold as ice, to which I replied "nah, ice melts eventually"
an apt description if there ever was one...
for what reason, I am not sure (still figuring that one out), but 8/10 girls i met in my weekend trips to geneva I would date in a heartbeat. hell some invited me over for ibiza holidays after only going out with them twice.

the zurich women on the other hand lack that personality that makes women women. its tough to describe but they are very anti social, don't understand humor and generally aren't easily approachable.

i narrowed that problem down to my own language barrier. in geneva, if a woman can't speak english with you, she will try french, italian, vague hand gestures etc. in zurich, if you dont speak german, you dont speak to her at all (attitude for days).

a buddy of mine noticed that if he wasn't clean shaved every day, he would get generally negative responses from women in the street (not hookers, just general women that you see in public on your way to work).

before i get my head bitten off in the forum, i am speaking from my own (albeit terrible but still) experiences in zurich and geneva in the last 6 months of moving here. im sure theres either something im missing or a certain code i havent cracked to enable me to like and enjoy zurich women, however at this point in time, i'll stick to my geneva honeys




I think you've summed up the populations of Zurich and Geneva, whatever the gender, haven't you?
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Re: Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

Cannot speak for Zurich, only Geneva: from my experience of elsewhere in Switzerland, Geneva is definitely more easy going, "laissez-faire", and this might have to do with almost half of the population being foreign or its latin influences (France and Italy), it is hard to compare it to another Swiss city. Both cities have a big lake and mountains, so outdoor life all year round is a given. It is easy to make friends in Geneva and generally people are welcoming.


Politically, Geneva tends to vote against conservative lines in referenda, but it has also a very liberal political mind (otherwise it would not keep all these multinational companies within its borders), combined with a quite radical sub-culture on the arts scene, so it is a real mix.


Shopping cannot be that different from Zurich: the traditional watch, jewellery shops and top designers at prohibitive prices on the main drag, along with your fair share of high street retailers (H&M, Zara, Victorinox...) and more independent shops scattered around town, with a lovely "bohemian chic" trend in the Carouge district. More alternative shops are in Eaux-Vives, Paquis, Carouge districts... There'll be more shopping options than in Allentown but less than in Philadelphia! On the other hand, Paris is only a 3 hours' train journey away!
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Your replies are likely to be biased towards Zurich, due to the number of users of this forum who live in Zurich...

To answer the questions:

Cost of living: No significant difference.

Differences and similiarities in local culture: Zurich is more like Germany, Geneva more like France. Depending on your viewpoint on the tradeoff between cleanliness vs obeying rules, your preference may vary.

Which palce has better shopping opportunities (I'm really into shopping lol)? Zurich is approximately twice the size (400k people vs 200k people in the respective cities) and hence has more shops.

Which one of them is more socially conservative? Probably Zurich.

Which place has more international crowd? Both are very multi-national with significant numbers of foreigners. Zurich is 31% foreigners, Geneva is 48%.

In what ways are the women, in general, different (for dating purposes )? See differences in culture, above.

How are the locals in these two cities in general? Real locals in both Geneva and Zurich seem anecdotally to take some time to become friends with, likely due to the number of foreigners who come, stay a few years and then leave again. Personal experience in Geneva is that they are very friendly if you make the effort.

Not really. I always loved to visit my uncle (Mr C...... Rue François Grast 18, 1208 Geneva) and parcels arriving with that address told me that my birthday/christmas present had arrived. And he was from Stein-am-Rhein, And when my dad considered a Job offer for Montreux Mum and me were excited but BIG BROTHER was getting wild


I as an adult combined international Holiday travels with routing via Geneva many times and often visit the nice sister city of Zürich. Negative fact is that Geneva in the past two decades has clearly dropped in many ways, but this may Change a bit again
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Not really. I always loved to visit my uncle (Mr C...... Rue François Grast 18, 1208 Geneva) and parcels arriving with that address told me that my birthday/christmas present had arrived. And he was from Stein-am-Rhein, And when my dad considered a Job offer for Montreux Mum and me were excited but BIG BROTHER was getting wild
Sorry, you lost me... Which bit are you replying "Not really" to, and what is the relevance of the following anecdote about your uncle?
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Cannot speak for Zurich, only Geneva: from my experience of elsewhere in Switzerland, Geneva is definitely more easy going, "laissez-faire", and this might have to do with almost half of the population being foreign or its latin influences (France and Italy), it is hard to compare it to another Swiss city. Both cities have a big lake and mountains, so outdoor life all year round is a given. It is easy to make friends in Geneva and generally people are welcoming.


Politically, Geneva tends to vote against conservative lines in referenda, but it has also a very liberal political mind (otherwise it would not keep all these multinational companies within its borders), combined with a quite radical sub-culture on the arts scene, so it is a real mix.


Shopping cannot be that different from Zurich: the traditional watch, jewellery shops and top designers at prohibitive prices on the main drag, along with your fair share of high street retailers (H&M, Zara, Victorinox...) and more independent shops scattered around town, with a lovely "bohemian chic" trend in the Carouge district. More alternative shops are in Eaux-Vives, Paquis, Carouge districts... There'll be more shopping options than in Allentown but less than in Philadelphia! On the other hand, Paris is only a 3 hours' train journey away!

That things in Geneva are more easygoing is why so many Zch people visit Geneva all the time, as Zürcher love Geneva. True enough, the two cities became rivals two centuries ago but also Partners, very Close Partners.


Btw, Philadelphia and New Orleans are my favourites in the USA. And the Walking stick I got for Mum in Philadelphia back in 1988 is still around here
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Re: Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

Driving is difficult in Zurich, but in Geneva it is horrible .
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Driving is difficult in Zurich, but in Geneva it is horrible .
My experience of Geneva driving is different.

Sure, I won't try to cross the Mont Blanc bridge at peak traffic.

Other than that, I can usually get around ok by car - certainly a lot better than my M3/M4/M25 daily grind used to be.

If not, public transport is good and cheap.
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So I'm planning to relocate to Switzerland, and been thinking about these two cities. etc etc
Ever thought of Kansas at all??
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Re: Planning to move to Zurich or Geneva. Which city is better?

As some have already mentioned Geneva leans to French (but never say to Genevan they are exactly like French) and Zürich towards German culture.

If you have strong dislike to either of above cultures you have your answer. Both cities have strong international influence so living there as a foreigner is not so hard, even easier if you speak the local lingo.

Lived in both and would always choose Zürich but this is because I just happen to like the orderly way of life on German side better and I find Zürich in the end prettier and greener and more relaxed. In Geneva the traffic drove me mad and also often enough it did not feel safe. Heard its gotten better since I left and new train station apparently does make all the difference.

Visit both, see how you feel and then decide. But visit in summer - if I would have to choose in November my vote would go for Ibiza
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