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Which washing machine to choose ?

Hi, wondering if anyone can advise me on the choice of new washing machine - mine died yesterday and I have to choose one quickly. There are a few sales on here and I've seen excellent deals in Hotpoint and Indesit brands. I have no idea about either of these so any advice would be warmly welcome. Thank you in advance, great site
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Re: Which washing machine to choose ?

I recommend Miele! Expensive, but you will have 10 years with no trouble.
It's the Mercedes among all washing machines.
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I recommend Miele! Expensive, but you will have 10 years with no trouble.
It's the Mercedes among all washing machines.
I would not recommend Miele. First I thought I got a lemon dryer when it broke down within a few months. The following year the washer broke down and the dryer broke down again. A few weeks ago, my dishwasher broke down too. So four visits from the Miele service people in 2.5 years, and the warranty has already run out.

We had Siemens washer/dryer and kitchen appliances before this and in 10 years, we only had to call the service people twice for normal wear and tear.

I see some shops starting to sell Samsung ones. Good price. I used them for many years in Asia, no problem.
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Re: Which washing machine to choose ?

It probably depends.
If you get a lemon, nothing will help it.
Also, past performance of a specific model does not say anything about future performance of the model you buy. It also depends (a lot) on the hardness of your water.
I once talked to a guy from the company that does maintenance around our apartment-building and he said that before they installed the decalcifier, the machines (we've got to in the basement for nine parties of which some have machines in the flats, so don't use the communal ones) had to be repaired semiannually.

The right forum would be a home-owners forum like http://www.haus-forum.ch.
Actually, they have a recent thread about it:
http://www.haus-forum.ch/topic/19191...et-ihr-kaufen/

The question is also: how much are you willing to spend?

There are actually Swiss-made washing machines from a company called "Schulthess" (also mentioned in that thread).
They also provide solutions for apartment-houses, so they know a thing or two about "abuse" and longevity in general.

They come at a price, however.
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Re: Which washing machine to choose ?

Daniella, here's a thread on the subject with lots of suggesitons and reviews:
Washing Machines...which brands are best?

Good luck wth your decision.
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Re: Which washing machine to choose ?

As I said, I thought I got a lemon, but 3 lemons?

Exactly past performance does not mean a thing. I switched to Miele because almost everyone told me they are the best. So the ones I got proves your point.

We have a water softening machine in the house. We got our boiler serviced this year and the guy told us that it is amazingly clean, due to the softener. So that is not the reason our Miele machines broke down.



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It probably depends.
If you get a lemon, nothing will help it.
Also, past performance of a specific model does not say anything about future performance of the model you buy. It also depends (a lot) on the hardness of your water.
I once talked to a guy from the company that does maintenance around our apartment-building and he said that before they installed the decalcifier, the machines (we've got to in the basement for nine parties of which some have machines in the flats, so don't use the communal ones) had to be repaired semiannually.

The right forum would be a home-owners forum like http://www.haus-forum.ch.
Actually, they have a recent thread about it:
http://www.haus-forum.ch/topic/19191...et-ihr-kaufen/

The question is also: how much are you willing to spend?

There are actually Swiss-made washing machines from a company called "Schulthess" (also mentioned in that thread).
They also provide solutions for apartment-houses, so they know a thing or two about "abuse" and longevity in general.

They come at a price, however.
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As I said, I thought I got a lemon, but 3 lemons?

Exactly past performance does not mean a thing. I switched to Miele because almost everyone told me they are the best. So the ones I got proves your point.

We have a water softening machine in the house. We got our boiler serviced this year and the guy told us that it is amazingly clean, due to the softener. So that is not the reason our Miele machines broke down.
For what it's worth I wasn't at all impressed by the Miele dishwasher or washing machine that we had in the house we rented either. So much so that I deliberately didn't but Miele for our own house.
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As I said, I thought I got a lemon, but 3 lemons?

Exactly past performance does not mean a thing. I switched to Miele because almost everyone told me they are the best. So the ones I got proves your point.

We have a water softening machine in the house. We got our boiler serviced this year and the guy told us that it is amazingly clean, due to the softener. So that is not the reason our Miele machines broke down.
Ah, so you've got a softener. That'll certainly help.
It would be interesting to know exactly why your various appliances broke down, which part broke (and which model).

It seems the Melectronics is giving five years warranty on Samsung washing machines.
I don't need one, but I would certainly look at it - and check out exactly what the warranty covers and what not.
Of course, any true Apple fanboi can't possibly have a Samsung washing machine in the house. It's probably also running some sort of Android (that never gets updated)....
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Hi, wondering if anyone can advise me on the choice of new washing machine - mine died yesterday and I have to choose one quickly. There are a few sales on here and I've seen excellent deals in Hotpoint and Indesit brands. I have no idea about either of these so any advice would be warmly welcome. Thank you in advance, great site
Daniella
A review on an Indesit washing machine in English:

http://www.washerhelp.co.uk/reviews/...uk-review.html

"Summary:
The Indesit W103 is extremely cheap. It looks nice enough, and is easy to use. However, as with all the budget washing machines, it's cheapness is a double edged sword which could severely cut short its potential longevity."

The same website has a review on a Hotpoint combination washer-dryer:

http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/wash...chine-reviews/

"Summary:
There's not much to shout about with this washing machine. It's neither rubbish nor great. The Hotpoint WD64P (UK) is extremely similar inside to the WM and WD range of washing machines that they've been selling for years. If you have had one, you know roughly what you'll be getting. Drum bearing failure has always been more common on these washing machines than it should be."
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Re: Which washing machine to choose ?

We went for a Miele when ours kicked the bucket. My wife spoke at length with the salespeople in the shop and they advised her it was the best bang for buck for our budget and was also on offer. I wouldn't say Miele are the Mercedes of the white goods industry, more of a Hyundai or Toyota; reasonable yet reliable.
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Ah, so you've got a softener. That'll certainly help.
It would be interesting to know exactly why your various appliances broke down, which part broke (and which model).


Dryer - something to do with the air pump. Clothes just don't dry.


Washer - powder detergent dispenser got rattled out of place, leaving black marks on our whites!! So when the machine spins, we expect this to happen at some point again, and they already told us that because they don't have to replace the parts, the original 2 year warranty applies.


Washer is top of the range, of the first Auto-Dos series. Dryer is also top of the range ca. 3 years ago, bought from Fust.


Dishwasher - as soon as we tried to describe the problem on the phone, they knew what it is. It is a known issue. A metal part at the side of the door poped out, and we cannot close the door. The whole door has to be replaced. At least they were kind enough to deduct the call-out cost because the warranty just ran out. But still, I could almost have bought a whole new dishwasher with this repair costs.... This is a mid-range model bought from Germany.


Oh, btw, I should mention that our Miele vacuum cleaner is better than Dyson!! Ahh.. the little things I can be happy about...
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Re: Which washing machine to choose ?

Dear all,
Sincere thanks for all your replies about the choice of washing machine - extremely helpful and I am now doing the tour to have a look at all your suggestions. THere's a huge range out there but your input has helped to reduce the list !
Many thanks again,
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Freebie washing machine here: Free washing machine & sofa near Zurich!


V-Zug is a pretty good brand, or so I've heard.
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Re: Which washing machine to choose ?

For every bad story there's a good story.

15 years ago, when I went to live on my own, I bought a Miele washing machine at an auction in Antwerp for 250 euros. It was already 10 years old at that time.

Meanwhile I'm married with two kids. We brought our beloved Miele with us to Switzerland last year. It has never let us down so far.

All we did was have a Miele technician replace some moving parts 5 years ago (which costed us another 150 euro all together) when we started using it "intensively" when our first child was born. The last 5 years we have used that machine every other day for sure.

I think that machine will outlive me.
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15 years ago, when I went to live on my own, I bought a Miele washing machine at an auction in Antwerp for 250 euros. It was already 10 years old at that time.
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I think that machine will outlive me.
I would venture a guess that key here is not only the brand, but perhaps even more so that the machine was manufactured at a time when things were built to last. I know several folks who have machines of that vintage - various brands, in various countries - still going strong.

The stuff built today, even by high end manufacturers, is not so robust. Or robust in any way, shape, or form.

Planned obsolescence sei dank.
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I would venture a guess that key here is not only the brand, but perhaps even more so that the machine was manufactured at a time when things were built to last. I know several folks who have machines of that vintage - various brands, in various countries - still going strong.

The stuff built today, even by high end manufacturers, is not so robust. Or robust in any way, shape, or form.

Planned obsolescence sei dank.
You are right unfortunately.

But as with everything I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for. For example I today rather spend 1.500 CHF on a Smeg/V-ZUG/Miele then 500 CHF on a Whirlpool washing machine. In the long run you always win.
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I would venture a guess that key here is not only the brand, but perhaps even more so that the machine was manufactured at a time when things were built to last. I know several folks who have machines of that vintage - various brands, in various countries - still going strong.

The stuff built today, even by high end manufacturers, is not so robust. Or robust in any way, shape, or form.

Planned obsolescence sei dank.
I agree completely with that statement.

In 1985 we bought a (relatively unknown at the time) Candy washing machine as it was a good price and we didn't have a lot of money. That machine was built to last and was the best machine I've ever had. We took it with us to France, Germany and Belgium and finally had to let it go in 2009 when it just died one day. It wasn't worth having it repaired but after 24 years of intense use we figured we'd had our money's worth out if it as we had not had to spend a penny in it since the day we got it. We were so impressed by it that we bought another Candy to replace it but it didn't seem half as robust as the original one. We left that in our house in Belgium when we moved here thinking we'd be returning there some day and it is still going strong six years later although I don't think it'll last as long as the original one did.

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You are right unfortunately.

But as with everything I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for. For example I today rather spend 1.500 CHF on a Smeg/V-ZUG/Miele then 500 CHF on a Whirlpool washing machine. In the long run you always win.
Not necessarily as demonstrated above. The Miele in the house we rented here when we arrived broke down 3 times within the first six months of us being there and the owner had only bought it three years earlier.
You can get a lemon whatever brand you choose and I know several people who have been unhappy with their V-Zug appliances.
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You are right unfortunately.

But as with everything I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for. For example I today rather spend 1.500 CHF on a Smeg/V-ZUG/Miele then 500 CHF on a Whirlpool washing machine. In the long run you always win.
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Freebie washing machine here: Free washing machine & sofa near Zurich!


V-Zug is a pretty good brand, or so I've heard.
We had V-Zug in the previous flat, the washing machine was good but the (separate) dryer condenser kept blocking.

We have a 10+ year old V-Zug washing machine now, and it seems to still be running perfectly.
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You are right unfortunately.

But as with everything I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for. For example I today rather spend 1.500 CHF on a Smeg/V-ZUG/Miele then 500 CHF on a Whirlpool washing machine. In the long run you always win.
I have an 8 y.o. Whirlpool, A+ efficiency class. I don't remember how much I paid at the time (definitely less than 1000 CHF) bt I never had any issues with it. I wash 2-3 times / week. Maybe I was just lucky but I am very very happy with Whirlpool.
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