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Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Our neighbours, although ‚to-the-east-of-the-Aegean‘ aliens, have seemed well integrated up till now and appear to have accepted the Swiss ideas of family life. They came back from a three week holiday in the husband’s homeland, where different cultural ideas prevail, on Saturday. This morning I get a phone call from the (very young and attractive) wife. Her husband locked her, together with their two small children, in the flat when he left for work this morning.


Click into EF Panic mode: Police – which ones. Emergency Police? Town Police? Canton Police? Or shall I call a locksmith to let her out? Or the fireservice to break the door down. Or shall I just ask Mr. L to break in?


Click to EF Insurance Mode: Who pays the emergency police call out? Or the locksmith? Who pays to have the lock or the door repaired or replaced? If Mr. L injures himself or the children when he breaks the door down, is it illness, accident or third party liability?


Click into EF Social Mode: I’m a regular churchgoer. I could ask one of the ministers what I should do. They know me and will surely know the best course of action to take. (This service would be free too, which is a nice thought)


Click into Common Sense Mode: I could take the wife’s key, which I have had for the past three weeks to enable me to get into their flat to water the flowers, open the door, give her her key back and we could all live happily ever after - except the husband, who will surely be in big trouble for forgetting that I had the second key and not his wife, when he cheerfully locked the door this morning.
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?



I suppose that there is not a remote chance that husband might have unintentionally locked them in?
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Police service AFAIK is 100% free, they're paid by our taxes. Only abusive calls and similar come with an invoice, which definitely doesn't apply here.

Since she asks you to help there can be no illegality (as long as nothing gets broken, in which case she'll simply have to pay for the repair, nothing more). Full stop.
Let yourself in and hand her the key. Then call the police, ask them to have a word with Mr Husband upon his return home and talk tacheles. I'm sure they'll pay him a visit at work if your neighbor asks them to.

For additional info you could call a Frauenhaus. They have the experience to advise, and they're also knowable about the legal situation. For instance http://www.frauenhaus-zhv.ch/, their 24/7 helpline is 044 350 04 04


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Mhh, Textoch may have a point. How many keys do the have? If only two, it may well be unintentional indeed.
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Could some real true Brit please reply to my post. Please, please, please. I deliberately didn't put it into Family Matters....
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

I'd suggest you don't do anything yourself but suggest all these things to the wife. (You could print off the information and give it to her).

She needs to agree with and fully support any action and is surely best placed to decide what the consequences and subtleties are.

Giving her the key is a good idea, or letting her know that you will keep it safely and discretely and "let her out" any time she needs it.
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Even the slightest bit of common sense thinking here brings you to the conclusion that locking people into an apartment can be a deadly situation. In event of a fire it means they all likely die and in the event of any medical emergency it means that they cannot leave to get help.

Personally, I would call the police (the wife may not want to do so in fear of reprisal form the husband) and let them break in and deal with it.

Only someone messed up in the head, bordering on psychopathic, would lock their family inside an apartment with no way for them to get out.

EDIT - Just saw that you have a spare key... hopefully you used it and unlocked the door.

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I suppose that there is not a remote chance that husband might have unintentionally locked them in?
What, and unintentionally not left her a spare house key? Yes, sounds perfectly logical.
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Common sense mode obviously.
Anything else would be a complete over the top typical EF overreaction.

It seems to me that he is just doing exactly what he does everyday when he goes off to work in the mornings ie. Locking the door behind him. It's probably completely slipped his mind that the spare key his wife normally uses was given to you before their holiday.

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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Not sure why you're even wasting time posting here. Go to option 4 now, do not pass "Go", use the key and give it back to her and let them sort out their domestic issues.

If you didn't have option 4 available, then agree with Richdog (for once).
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Have you had a cup of tea before taking any decision or action?
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Bitter EF Mode: Back home all locks can be opened from the inside after being locked from the outside. That is just one of the many things which is better and cheaper from where I am from.

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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Guys, guys, I really didn't mean this to happen. I said that I deliberately DIDN'T put it into Family Matters. It isn't a family matter.

It was a mistake on the husband's part. He had completely and utterly forgotten that I still had his wife's key! The wife and I, and Mr. L thought it hilariously funny.

Of course, in theory, it could be potentially dangerous. If anything serious had happened the wife would have made enough racket for us all to come running. In the case of fire, folk often can't get out of a building via the stairway with or without the key to their flat.

If no-one else manages to see the amusing side of the whole thing, and of the idea of the Thread, I'll get a Moderator to scrap it, or at least close it to avoid folk wasting their time giving me 'advice'.
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

It's just a mistake, made a bit freaky by this totally stupid concept the Swiss and Germans have of locking themselves in apartments (and double-locking the main apartment door) such that you can't get out unless you have a key.

Couple this with the fact I've not been in many countries which don't stipulate smoke detectors in rented properties and it's only the fact cooking by gas scares them that most of the population haven't burned to death.

Totally OT; I blame EF.

And all the over-reactions, mainly based on people not actually reading the OP and then further commenting on wrong comments? Pure EF.
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Bitter EF Mode: Back home all locks can be opened from the inside after being locked from the outside. That is just one of the many things which is better and cheaper from where I am from.

This is one thing that when I came to CH I simply couldn't understand... having no deadlocks on apartment doors so that you can twist and open from the inside without a key seems like madness to me. As a result, my keys are permanently in the door lock just in case of emergency.

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Guys, guys, I really didn't mean this to happen. I said that I deliberately DIDN'T put it into Family Matters. It isn't a family matter.

It was a mistake on the husband's part. He had completely and utterly forgotten that I still had his wife's key! The wife and I, and Mr. L thought it hilariously funny.

Of course, in theory, it could be potentially dangerous. If anything serious had happened the wife would have made enough racket for us all to come running. In the case of fire, folk often can't get out of a building via the stairway with or without the key to their flat.

If no-one else manages to see the amusing side of the whole thing, and of the idea of the Thread, I'll get a Moderator to scrap it, or at least close it to avoid folk wasting their time giving me 'advice'.
In the OP you didn't really convey it was an accident or that it was meant to be amusing... what did you expect people to think?

The fact that you have the only spare key and that the wife does not have one for herself on her own set of keys is quite frankly a wee bit brainless whichever way you look at it.
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

OMG, we all have a Swiss sense of humour now
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What, and unintentionally not left her a spare house key? Yes, sounds perfectly logical.
I live in the "Land Where Parents Forget Their Tiny Babies In Hot Cars In The Middle Of The Summer." Some of those parents have actually been so immersed in their own deep thoughts that they have unintentionally killed their own children by leaving them in the back seat of the car, so I do believe a serious mistake can be made while one is unfocused.

EDIT - As per OP this is exactly what happened, I am waiting for my prize -- an apology from Richdog.

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I live in the "Land Where Parents Forget Their Tiny Babies In Hot Cars In The Middle Of The Summer."
In France they do the opposite, just to be safe.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33845832
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Post maligning busybody EF humourless attitude to absolutely everything gets hijacked by humourless busybodies.

Textbook example of a self-fulfilling prophecy!

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Guys, guys, I really didn't mean this to happen. I said that I deliberately DIDN'T put it into Family Matters. It isn't a family matter.

It was a mistake on the husband's part. He had completely and utterly forgotten that I still had his wife's key! The wife and I, and Mr. L thought it hilariously funny.

Of course, in theory, it could be potentially dangerous. If anything serious had happened the wife would have made enough racket for us all to come running. In the case of fire, folk often can't get out of a building via the stairway with or without the key to their flat.

If no-one else manages to see the amusing side of the whole thing, and of the idea of the Thread, I'll get a Moderator to scrap it, or at least close it to avoid folk wasting their time giving me 'advice'.
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

EF offended onlooker knee jerk mode. Punish him by putting super glue in the lock (outside) so he can't get in What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Let's see how he feels.
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This is one thing that when I came to CH I simply couldn't understand... having no deadlocks on apartment doors so that you can twist and open from the inside without a key seems like madness to me. As a result, my keys are permanently in the door lock just in case of emergency.
In our previous flat this blocked the outside lock from working! A right pain in the butt when coming home and spouse in shower / TV on loud.

Our solution was to hang the spare key by the door, hinge side so out of reach of callers, but still hard to remember to keep key out of lock.
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Re: Does being on EF influence our reactions?

Locking up your family for the day seems a perfectly restrained reaction after three weeks on holiday with them. I'm sure they have water and toilet paper but possibly no food. Might I suggest ringing the husband at his place of work and ask for his permission to feed them through the window?
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