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Multiple speed camera and speed limit questions

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I have a couple questions regarding speed cameras in Switzerland


1. If one is caught speeding by speed cameras that are closely spaced in the same highway such as the one from Geneva to Lausanne , does the driver get one fine or multiple fines? It sounds wired that they will get multiple fines though really it's just one offense?


2. Do you always notice a flash or can they click without it ?


3. Do the cameras click vehicle from back or front?


4. Is the speed limit on the highway that connects Geneva and laussane 100 or 120?


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Hi

I have a couple questions regarding speed cameras in Switzerland


1. If one is caught speeding by speed cameras that are closely spaced in the same highway such as the one from Geneva to Lausanne , does the driver get one fine or multiple fines? It sounds wired that they will get multiple fines though really it's just one offense?


2. Do you always notice a flash or can they click without it ?


3. Do the cameras click vehicle from back or front?


4. Is the speed limit on the highway that connects Geneva and laussane 100 or 120?


Any help deeply appreciated
1. 2
2. Yes
3. Dunno
4. its variable depending on traffic.
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1. If one is caught speeding by speed cameras that are closely spaced in the same highway such as the one from Geneva to Lausanne , does the driver get one fine or multiple fines? It sounds wired that they will get multiple fines though really it's just one offense?
What do you think? I mean, obviously the system's going to be set up to say, ahh, this guy's already been flashed twice today a few km back, so let's let 'em off this one. Right?
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2. Do you always notice a flash or can they click without it ?
They will flash - whether you notice it or not is another matter.
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3. Do the cameras click vehicle from back or front?
either is possible, but I think all the ones on that stretch take from the front (as do the vast majority everywhere).
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4. Is the speed limit on the highway that connects Geneva and laussane 100 or 120?
Yes. Or 80, or possibly even less. You know those signs they have next to the road or on the overhead gantry? The ones with the red circle on the edge and a black number on white background in the middle? Well they tend to give you a bit of a clue.

It's a motorway, so the default is 120 but reductions are common when there's heavy traffic. The cameras don't change with temporary limits though, but there are sections which are permanently 100 so cameras there will be set accordingly.
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Re: Multiple speed camera and speed limit questions

Multiple, not always, depends on the type of camera, normally 120 but can vary.
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Re: Multiple speed camera and speed limit questions

If I was driving at same pace as rest of traffic, and I guarantee that the rest of the traffic was not going at anywhere close to the posted limit. Which was 100. I didn't know there were cameras in Switzerland so was a buff for not knowing. I, along with the other traffic might have been over limit for most of the time until when I saw a flash (I am usually very aware of my surroundings and damn certain I wouldn't have missed a flash if there was one). I noticed a flash yesterday. I may have been at 130 or 135 I am not sure at that time. This was when I realized about the cameras and googled and found I may be in a mess here. I am a tourist and was using a rental car on a U.S. Driving license.

Should I not be concerned about the 'possible' other tickets I may have got since I never got flashed even though I along with traffic was over limit .? If yes how could this be possible unless either the cameras were not working or had a higher calibration than posted speed limit.?


Also if this was the case (that you could get multiple tickets) in one trip while cameras are 50 ft apart chances are you were speeding while crossing camera no 2 if you were speeding while crossing camera number 1. It would be really crazy if that generated two fines!


Additionally , can anyone share their experiences about receiving a fine in the United States? Is that usually a flat fee if that generated a ticket ? I have no intentions to not pay. I like to keep things clean but any estimate would help.


Reason I am concerned is that if that drive generated maybe 40 fines, that would be enough to bankrupt someone


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Re: Multiple speed camera and speed limit questions

You are about to learn an expensive lesson. The Swiss enforce speeding very strictly, and the penalties are pretty severe compared to most other countries. There's a reason that the drivers here more-or-less stick to the speed limit.

Expect a pretty considerable fine (upwards of CHF100-) for each offense. This will be passed to you by the rental car company, together with an administrative fee to cover their trouble. You may find that they pay the fine on your behalf and simply charge your credit card for the penalty.

Next time, keep your heavy foot away from the accelerator until you hit the German border.
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Re: Multiple speed camera and speed limit questions

"Keeping with the flow of traffic" only really works if you know where the cameras are - as people will slow down for traffic - and you may end up overtaking them and getting flashed!!


2 cameras close together like that are normally 1 for each carriageway.

That Lausanne/Geneva stretch is (in)famous for its speed cameras.


In terms of billing: ticket from police to hire car company. Who will pay it. Then charge your credit card, possibly with an admin fee - which you would have agreed to and signed for.

If you have been caught speeding multiple times - you'll be fined multiple times - and you'll end up very poor. There is a thread in the transportation section on how poor you'll end up.
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There is a thread in the transportation section on how poor you'll end up.


Well put.
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Re: Multiple speed camera and speed limit questions

Thanks dodgyken and village idiot.

I will keep fingers crossed and see what surprise I get in the mail. Renting a car in switzerland turned out a really bad idea.

I have already written off a few thousand CHF money in my head. I hope the salary linkage does not apply as I do not work in EU and if infact I was over 35 over.

Thanks for your prompt comments. I am not coming back to switzerland in the future anyway.
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Old 17.08.2015, 11:28
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You are about to learn an expensive lesson. The Swiss enforce speeding very strictly, and the penalties are pretty severe compared to most other countries. There's a reason that the drivers here more-or-less stick to the speed limit.

Expect a pretty considerable fine (upwards of CHF100-) for each offense. This will be passed to you by the rental car company, together with an administrative fee to cover their trouble. You may find that they pay the fine on your behalf and simply charge your credit card for the penalty.

Next time, keep your heavy foot away from the accelerator until you hit the German border.
You're exaggerating. Tickets on the autobahn for speeding are almost free if you're not *that* fast:
1-5km above the limit (after deductions) on swiss Autobahnen costs only 20CHF
6-10km too fast cost 60CHF

To relate with your speedometer you need to consider the following:
- the speedo will typically show 6-8% higher speed than what you actually do
- the police deduct a margin of safety. How much depends on car speed and camera type, with 120km/h it's at least 4km/h (up to 8km/h)

That means if your speedo says 140km/h in a 120km/h zone you almost certainly will get fined for speeding by not more than 10km/h, usually it'll be in the 1-5km/h range. OP sounds like he'll be fined for not more than 15km/h, on the speedo that would show as 25km/h (perhaps as much as 30km/h) over the limit.

It's only at higher speeds that things get expensive. 11-15 cost 120CHF, 16-20 cost 180, 21-25 cost 260CHF.

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Don Molina, interesting point. The police may send the fine to the rental company (which may or may not impose a handling fee) because these days the car holder is responsible and can be fined, that probably wasn't yet the case in 2010. It may be a good idea if OP contacts the police directly, explains, and have the fine sent directly to him (or visit the nearest Vaud police station and pay there).

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Re: Multiple speed camera and speed limit questions

Does anyone have personal experience with the administrative fee from the rental company. Back in 2010 I was here visiting family (as a tourist) and I got flashed before a tunnel somewhere in Vaud and Europcar just gave the police my then home address in Athens. I got the typical letter there with their IBAN details to pay some 40 or 50 CHF.

Europcar never touched my credit card.
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Thanks dodgyken and village idiot.

I will keep fingers crossed and see what surprise I get in the mail. Renting a car in switzerland turned out a really bad idea.

I have already written off a few thousand CHF money in my head. I hope the salary linkage does not apply as I do not work in EU and if infact I was over 35 over.

Thanks for your prompt comments. I am not coming back to switzerland in the future anyway.
Not coming back? . Then our roads will be safer
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Does anyone have personal experience with the administrative fee from the rental company. Back in 2010 I was here visiting family (as a tourist) and I got flashed before a tunnel somewhere in Vaud and Europcar just gave the police my then home address in Athens. I got the typical letter there with their IBAN details to pay some 40 or 50 CHF.

Europcar never touched my credit card.
When I was living in Canada, I got caught speeding (I think 4 km/h above) with a Hertz rental car. I remember Hertz charged a stiff admin fee (in the order of 50 CHF I would say), then I got the fine in the mail in Canada directly from Kantonspolizei Bern.

Edit: this was in 2013 or 2014

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Re: Multiple speed camera and speed limit questions

Does everyone always see a flash? If not can I expect no fine for when there was no flash?
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Not coming back? . Then our roads will be safer
Well, sorry you didn't like my comment st2lemans - I expect to get a lot of groans on this topic, but still couldn't hold myself back, despite all efforts .

But it really Pi.... me off over the years, when driving on the CH Autobahn in a far smaller car - also less HP - than a huge German model or SUV, with kids in the back - each time I had someone on my back (often a meter away), when I wanted to just over-take a caravan, horse trailer or lorry
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But it really Pi.... me off over the years, when driving on the CH Autobahn in a far smaller car - also less HP - than a huge German model or SUV, with kids in the back - each time I had someone on my back (often a meter away), when I wanted to just over-take a caravan, horse trailer or lorry
So you're the sort of person who sticks rigidly to the limit (as shown on your speedo), overtaking a lorry only by about .5kph, then gets annoyed by the huge build-up of traffic behind them wanting them to get the fsk out of their way?

And regardless of size or HP there isn't a car on the road that wouldn't be able to add an extra 5kph or so to get past a lorry or caravan and out of everybody else's way. There's just no excuse for that sort of driving.
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So you're the sort of person who sticks rigidly to the limit (as shown on your speedo), overtaking a lorry only by about .5kph, then gets annoyed by the huge build-up of traffic behind them wanting them to get the fsk out of their way?

And regardless of size or HP there isn't a car on the road that wouldn't be able to add an extra 5kph or so to get past a lorry or caravan and out of everybody else's way. There's just no excuse for that sort of driving.
Actually, no I'm not - and a small automatic just really doesn't cut it - no matter how hard you push on the pedal. I hate "those" kind of drivers too - it's equally dangerous.

I belong to your average SUV driver, who also happens to have had smaller engine cars
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And regardless of size or HP there isn't a car on the road that wouldn't be able to add an extra 5kph or so to get past a lorry or caravan and out of everybody else's way. There's just no excuse for that sort of driving.

My first car was my least powerful - with just 90ps to play with - and even that was capable of nipping along at a fair speed.


In recent times the Fiat Panda 1.2 - yes - the one with "that" engine was capable of overtaking trucks and caravans without holding up traffic.


The flipside of that is those drivers who drive their wheezy diesel estates onto the tailpipes of something they really shouldn't be picking a fight with
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But it really Pi.... me off over the years, when driving on the CH Autobahn in a far smaller car - also less HP - than a huge German model or SUV, with kids in the back - each time I had someone on my back (often a meter away), when I wanted to just over-take a caravan, horse trailer or lorry
Nowadays even the smallest cars on the market allow to speed up to 120-130 kph in a reasonable amount of time to pass slower traffic on the Autobahn without excessive left lane blocking.

Lack of power might be an issue in Germany but certainly not in Switzerland.
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Nowadays even the smallest cars on the market allow to speed up to 120-130 kph in a reasonable amount of time to pass slower traffic on the Autobahn without excessive left lane blocking.

Lack of power might be an issue in Germany but certainly not in Switzerland.
You know, I think it was more "the attitude" problem - I was driving at the time a perky Audi A2 with go faster wheels (which I thought was really cool as a Mom's car when buying it, had the best fuel consumption at the time etc. etc.).

Before that, I'd always had high-powered SUVs etc., and decided to downgrade when moving to the city. My driving style never changed (mellowed maybe over the years), however what I experienced was a different tolerance from "bigger" cars whenever they saw our "little" car even start (or think about) over-taking - I swear, a lot just speeded up especially to get us out of the way as quickly as poss. - even though we were by no means ever hogging the lane (hey, I had go-faster wheels after all ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A2


It got so nervy after a while, that I decided to sell the car. Haven't had a problem since...
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