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Advice please [nervous about train travel after the attack in France]

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As a person who hates flying, I usually drive to the UK when wanting to visit my family. This year, to avoid the migrant situation in Calais, I've booked train tickets from Switzerland to Paris and then from Paris to London on the Eurostar. Supposed to be going in two days, tickets paid for, hotels paid for, everything.... But after what nearly happened on a train in France yesterday, I am feeling extremely anxious now about taking the said trains (there and back). I don't want to put myself in any danger, but more importantly I don't want to put my spouse in any danger either.

My family are expecting us but I feel very uneasy. Am I over-reacting? What would you do?

Thanks for any advice.
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Old 22.08.2015, 21:24
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

Well I'd fly .... Or get on the train!

There is very minimal chance of another attempted attack... And an even smaller chance of one on one of your trains!

Today a plane crashed onto a road in the UK and killed several motorists... Would that stop you driving?
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Old 22.08.2015, 21:28
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

You're over-reacting.

Enjoy the train rides and enjoy Paris.
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Old 22.08.2015, 21:30
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

Hi seliza, are you traveling alone? Maybe you could bring someone along. Have you got any friends who would want to travel to UK or Paris in the same period as you?
Could also try to keep yourself busy on the trip by downloading movies on your laptop and bringing along books, music, work..
Then of course there is the more 'extreme' route of taking something to take the edge off. Perhaps you could ask your GP if he can prescribe something.
I personally would take the plane because the 'suffering' is shorter Hope you will get back to the UK safe and soundly. All the best
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you're over-reacting.

Enjoy the train rides and enjoy paris.
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Old 22.08.2015, 21:31
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

How sensitive
Not sure she can enjoy Paris..Usually you don't have much time between trains for more than exploring the train station

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Enjoy the train rides and enjoy Paris.
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Old 22.08.2015, 21:35
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Hey guys,

As a person who hates flying, I usually drive to the UK when wanting to visit my family. This year, to avoid the migrant situation in Calais, I've booked train tickets from Switzerland to Paris and then from Paris to London on the Eurostar. Supposed to be going in two days, tickets paid for, hotels paid for, everything.... But after what nearly happened on a train in France yesterday, I am feeling extremely anxious now about taking the said trains (there and back). I don't want to put myself in any danger, but more importantly I don't want to put my spouse in any danger either.

My family are expecting us but I feel very uneasy. Am I over-reacting? What would you do?

Thanks for any advice.
I understand that you're uneasy after this guy doing what he did. But he was arrested and so is currently not in a position to harm you or other train passengers.

Take the ride and a fully charged (perhaps including extra credit) phone with you - call your family whenever you feel like it and ask them to call you several times to distract you.
Do the same on the way back.
Just in case, check if the train has a direct number of the railway police, and save that number in your phone, to be dialed if an emergency comes up.

I know it's very hard to think this - but you could be attacked when stepping outside in front of your flat any day, and avoiding train rides now carries the risk of your also doing so in future, which could put a severe limit on your trips to the UK as you neither fly nor drive.

Happy trip!
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Old 22.08.2015, 21:55
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

Do the math on the number of trains that run each day versus the number of gunman incidents. Compare to cars driven versus auto fatalities.

Sleep easy and ride in peace.
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

Well yes, statistically speaking this does bring the possibility of an attack on your train journey about in line with the risks of flying[1], so if I were you I'd stay at home and lock the doors. But remember that you may be in trouble if the intruders you refuse to open the door to turn out to be police.

Then again, I'm not you, and can rationalise that the risks involved in going outside my front door are probably small enough that I can continue to live full and active life without cowering in fear every time someone comes close to me.

[1] i.e. so low that you probably have more chance of tripping over your doorstep and being run over and killed by a passing cyclist.
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

Another way to look at it - it's probably safer to travel now because there will be extra security.
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Well yes, statistically speaking this does bring the possibility of an attack on your train journey about in line with the risks of flying[1], so if I were you I'd stay at home and lock the doors. But remember that you may be in trouble if the intruders you refuse to open the door to turn out to be police.

Then again, I'm not you, and can rationalise that the risks involved in going outside my front door are probably small enough that I can continue to live full and active life without cowering in fear every time someone comes close to me.

[1] i.e. so low that you probably have more chance of tripping over your doorstep and being run over and killed by a passing cyclist.
I don't recall saying that I cower in fear every time someone comes near me? Hmm, but then again, I'm not you, Mr Perfect who is confident in every situation that life has to offer and never has any anxiety about anything. You are so rational that you come parading onto a forum and taking a dig at a nervous woman. What a stand up guy you must be Congrats on being perfect
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Well yes, statistically speaking this does bring the possibility of an attack on your train journey about in line with the risks of flying[1], so if I were you I'd stay at home and lock the doors. But remember that you may be in trouble if the intruders you refuse to open the door to turn out to be police.

Then again, I'm not you, and can rationalise that the risks involved in going outside my front door are probably small enough that I can continue to live full and active life without cowering in fear every time someone comes close to me.

[1] i.e. so low that you probably have more chance of tripping over your doorstep and being run over and killed by a passing cyclist.
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

Thank you to everybody else, you have reassured me and made me feel better about the trip. Thanks for understanding as well We are having a night in Paris en route to London so am looking forward to that, and will just focus on seeing my family and the nice aspects of the trip
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

I have a friend with an extreme fear of flying. She attends courses put on by the airlines before flying which always help. I think the greatest benefit she gets from the courses is to understand how everything on the plane operates so she feels in control of the situation and understands the minimal risk. I agree with Glowjupiter. Ensure you have a fully charged phone, arrange for family & friends to contact you, be observant of what is happening around you, and try to have sufficient things to keep yourself entertained/busy. Statistically there is probably greater risk in many of the day to day things that you do, but this is all about how you feel. Try to do whatever is needed to make you feel more comfortable. And if you can, enjoy the journey. And focus on the enjoyment of being with family at the end of the trip. That really is the greatest part . Hope your trip goes well.
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

Thank you very much for your kind advice Lyn The classes to combat a fear of flying sound ideal - I will definitely check that out next time I'm planning a trip
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Thank you very much for your kind advice Lyn The classes to combat a fear of flying sound ideal - I will definitely check that out next time I'm planning a trip
Lots of airlines do them. Easyjet, BA, Swiss ... http://fearlessflyer.easyjet.com
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Swiss runs a course along with a small round trip flight but it's in the region of 1000chf 😨
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Swiss runs a course along with a small round trip flight but it's in the region of 1000chf 😨
Easyjet's is £189, including flight ... that's why I rarely fly Swiss
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

And make sure your family is there at the train station when you arrive.
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Re: Advice please - don't know what to do?

I feel totally different about it this morning - I can see that I was over-reacting perhaps I just needed to sleep on it, and it was good to be able to talk it through on here, so thanks again for your help! Sometimes things seem worse at night and better in the morning. I'm glad the anxiety is more or less gone! Although I will be vigilant (like I'm sure everybody else will be), we are living in troubling times... The news lately doesn't help with people who are already 'worriers'.

Nice Sunday everyone! We are off to a music festival today, can't wait!

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