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Nice that you mention that. I still remember the story I read in primary school, the teach was Mrs. Grübelimann, fresh from the Lehramt, oh - all boys had a crush on her.

About the story it was about Richtnix form the Helvetii tribe, he came to Turicum to buy some hairpins for his wives, some amphora's of wine for his daughters wedding, and a new sword from Dolmetschix the black smith at Rennweg, known as Via Circenses back than.

Richnitx was the chieftain of the town now known as Richterswil. For the long way he used an two-ox-wagon which he parked at Arcades Tilias, the covered parking spot bellow the Lindenhof hill.

Once he was done with his errands, he went back to the oxes, but the clerk Aurelius Parkus, said he overstayed and has has to pay 2 Sestertius before he will release the wagon.

Richtnix, a man of honor, was certainly upset and exclaimed: Know what Romanus? Take the Sestertius up your Anus!
not long after this incident, the Arcades Tilias where known as Uranus Tilias, which later became simply Urania.
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Re: Are Swiss cities too homogenous?

We experience a city differently, so it’s interesting to hear your thoughts.
Most of you seem to talk about homogeneity on a material level. Might be wrong but I thought the article attempted to discuss what constitutes homogeneity on a spiritual level.
Traditionally, designing livable cities was about functioning infrastructure and a clean environment. Now there is increasingly a shift away from sterile, blank facades on one side and disharmony of buildings on the other.
I'm glad that much of modern urban planning seems to be about reflecting a city’s historical and cultural background and enabling environment, buildings and other spaces to co-exist in harmony, thus building living spaces that aren’t depriving us.
One of you mentioned Haussmann. I don't find that it promotes monotony to have buildings like the ones you posted. What seems to make a city liveable is representing its identity and creating spatial unity, visual harmony and a feeling of togetherness, among other things.
Someone mentioned that it wasn't fair to compare Zurich with Paris. But when you take smaller towns like Vernazza, Colletta di Castelbianco, Nara, Karuizawa, Pula, Hum, Pecs, Cesky Krumlov, Angra do Herolsmo, Ubud, or Chiang Saen, their unique identity pervades the infrastructure, making them anything but dull.

Here is a paper on urban planning for happiness, with a focus on transportation:
http://www.gpiatlantic.org/conference/papers/obrien.pdf

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Once he was done with his errands, he went back to the oxes oxen
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Traditionally, designing livable cities

Traditionally, cities weren't designed - they just happened.
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Re: Are Swiss cities too homogenous?

You've got to look at the history of a country to understand its architecture and town planning. Compared to the UK, with an early enclosures and industrial revolution and therefore the growth of cities, Switzerland was still essentially rural until very recently - and very few towns grew to be sizeable and again, only recently. I remember lovely parts of Basel in the 60s with smaller stone houses with lots of character which were destroyed to be replaced with the concrete blocks you see today.

In 1860, the largest town was Geneva, then Basel, Bern and Lausanne- Zurich was quite small then, and only the 5th largest, and only marginally bigger than La Chaux-de-Fonds, built in th 19C on the American grid system for the specific needs of the watch industry. (19,758 ZH, 16,778 La C-d-F).

When I first went to live in suburban London (as a Swiss from Neuchâtel)- I could not believe how homogeneous the suburbs were- with clear estates and streets made of 100s of houses all identical- and inhabitied by different groups of different 'class' of people - almost segregated from each other. and who hardly ever met.
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A) the Rennweg is still a Shopping place just as 2000 years ago


B) AND, below the Lindenhof is the URANIA PARKHAUS, still in use today

Yes : the Italian and Tischinesi still park there donkeys there




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We experience a city differently, so it’s interesting to hear your thoughts.
Most of you seem to talk about homogeneity on a material level. Might be wrong but I thought the article attempted to discuss what constitutes homogeneity on a spiritual level.
Traditionally, designing livable cities was about functioning infrastructure and a clean environment. Now there is increasingly a shift away from sterile, blank facades on one side and disharmony of buildings on the other.


Here is a paper on urban planning for happiness, with a focus on transportation:
http://www.gpiatlantic.org/conference/papers/obrien.pdf

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Re: Are Swiss cities too homogenous?

lorena- in the UK, towns grew very rapidly during the industrial revolution- and a clean environment was NOT the priority, but access to water for power for millsm and later steam power, and coal, etc- cities became filthy and overpoplulated- there is a good reason why the wealthy or better-off moved to the suburbs, hopefully on a hill nearby, away from the stench, pollution, the poor and disease! European towns that industrialised later learnt from this- and kept the city centres clean and salubrious for the better-off, and stuck industry and the 'poor' outside the cities. Hence the huge difference in the concept of 'suburb' in the UK = middle and upper class- and the 'banlieue' in France = the poor. Still very much the case now- although there has been a re'gentrification of some cities in the UK recently, now there is little industry there now. The town where I used to live, Leicester, is a prime example of this.

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Nice that you mention that. I still remember the story I read in primary school, the teach was Mrs. Grübelimann, fresh from the Lehramt, oh - all boys had a crush on her.

About the story it was about Richtnix form the Helvetii tribe, he came to Turicum to buy some hairpins for his wives, some amphora's of wine for his daughters wedding, and a new sword from Dolmetschix the black smith at Rennweg, known as Via Circenses back than.

Richnitx was the chieftain of the town now known as Richterswil. For the long way he used an two-ox-wagon which he parked at Arcades Tilias, the covered parking spot bellow the Lindenhof hill.

Once he was done with his errands, he went back to the oxes, but the clerk Aurelius Parkus, said he overstayed and has has to pay 2 Sestertius before he will release the wagon.

Richtnix, a man of honor, was certainly upset and exclaimed: Know what Romanus? Take the Sestertius up your Anus!
not long after this incident, the Arcades Tilias where known as Uranus Tilias, which later became simply Urania.
I understand that on his visit to Turicum he was actually searching for a certain Wyetus Sugarus, but was unsuccesful. If only he had known about the Searchus Functionus of the Romanus Forumus.

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I think you may have misinterpreted Lorena1 i.e. she was of course referring to the learnings in : http://www.simcity.com/
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Re: Are Swiss cities too homogenous?

All Swiss architecture ever:


  • Chalets
  • orrible 1960s commie style housing blocks with tiny windows
  • glass and metal boxes


you'd think with all that money sloshing about that some of the more recent architecture would be a little more inspiring


"ooh another ziggurat-ish apartment block where you can see people doing a poo" etc
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All Swiss architecture ever:


  • Chalets
  • orrible 1960s commie style housing blocks with tiny windows
  • glass and metal boxes
Here's an idea - go outside - open your eyes. If the above is all you see then you need to walk/drive/train?? around a bit. It is true that in the mountains you'll see a lot of A) and in the original expansion zones you'll see a lot of B) and in the brown-field developments you'll see a lot of C) - but you are doing a mis-service to the many beautiful old towns of Switzerland - Chur remains a fantastic example of a walled town.

Your missing out on the Jugenstil houses of 8006 and other areas of Zurich, or maybe the incredible diversity of the single family house areas which little many small towns - or the variety of the Bauernhaus between parts of Switzerland.

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Here's an idea - go outside - open your eyes. If the above is all you see then you need to walk/drive/train?? around a bit. It is true that in the mountains you'll see a lot of A) and in the original expansion zones you'll see a lot of B) and in the brown-field developments you'll see a lot of C) - but you are doing a mis-service to the many beautiful old towns of Switzerland - Chur remains a fantastic example of a walled town.
Chur also has more than its fair share of horrible glass and metal boxes, with some concrete thrown in. just sayin'.
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I understand that on his visit to Turicum he was actually searching for a certain Wyetus Sugarus, but was unsuccesful. If only he had known about the Searchus Functionus of the Romanus Forumus.
I heard Searchus Functionus is mostly useless and lisps. On the other hand, near the former Silenus Temple, the Oracle of Delphi had opened a secondary location in Turicum.
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Chur also has more than its fair share of horrible glass and metal boxes, with some concrete thrown in. just sayin'.
It also has a lonely wind turbine
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Re: Are Swiss cities too homogenous?

Drive down from Lenzerheide to experience the true horror of chur...
It may indeed have a charming centre, but the outskirts are hideous.

My point was not about the 'beautiful old towns of Switzerland' my point was that the new buildings are 'uninspiring'. You've completely misunderestimated my point.
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From Diccon Bewes 'Slow train to Switzerland' - about the first tourist trip from UK organised by Thomas Cook in 1863:

'in 1860 there were only 10 communities with more than 10.000 people, and together they accounted for only 8% of the total population. Today 45% of the population live in a community of more than 10.000 people, with the top ten cities making up 17% of the national total.' (in England about 20% of the population lived in a few cities in the UK).



By 1860 most of the UK population lived in large cities already.

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You're using absolutes only. Nothing to misunderstand here.
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My point was not about the 'beautiful old towns of Switzerland' my point was that the new buildings are 'uninspiring'. You've completely misunderestimated my point.
Perhaps next time you want better express what you really want to say.
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. You've completely misunderestimated my point.
What does that mean? It's not a word I've come across before.


You said 'all Swiss architecture ever' and then lumped everything into three categories. I'm not sure what there is to misunderstand about that.
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So you're agreeing that modern architecture is uninspiring here or what?
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