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Old 21.09.2015, 07:45
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I think Google has problems with the "official" Swiss-German "agency-passive-speak" or whatever you want to call it...
I'm not even sure, there are equivalent expressions in the English language that transport the same "thriftyness" with words (and action) as the Swiss-German wording.

And it seems GT doesn't realize that "Zug" is a canton in that context..

That said, I think it's a bit more clear than the original translated FB-posting.

What does ''Swiss German wording'' mean ??
What is agency passive speak ??


Everything was in Standard German and nothing in dialect

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Old 21.09.2015, 08:15
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This is getting rather off-topic but the rules of the forum say that foreign language texts should be translated into English, not that members wanting to read them are expected to run them through Google themselves.
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I am sure the forum rules are very explicit about such things. But now and again you make an exception. In my book this is such a case and find such nitpicking to be highly inappropriate.
Yes, I am indeed a nitpicker.

I was on EF just before midnight on Saturday. OBone, who states in his profile that he speaks German 'badly', had posted the Facebook text in German. I presumed he couldn't translate it himself. I ran it through Google Translate and cleared up the numerous typical 'Gooogle' muddles. Other folk could undoubtedly have done it better and faster than I did, but other folk were not on here at the time and it took me about 40 minutes. On Sunday afternoon I saw the German link posted by rainer _d (whose mother tongue is German and presumably could have translated the main points but didn't). I posted again mentioning a couple of points from the article concerning the work of the police.
Then, and only then, did I get around to nitpicking.
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Old 21.09.2015, 09:06
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But it didn't necessarily make Glasgow a bad place
Yes indeed, many other factors are responsible for that.
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OP, That's a horrible event, that happend there.

I was at the with my friends near the sports area.


And me, nor my friends heard anything suspicious. I was there on Friday 4th to Saturday 5th. We switched location later.
This really gets me thinking of what could happen.

I told my friends of this, the denied seeing or hearing anything.

ps. I'm new to this forum here so I don't know how things work here


EDIT: I walk around at night all the time, I have no fear of getting into any crime. I'm really shocked about this unfortunate event. And I can 100% guarantee you that both, the Victim and the guys who beat him, were under the influence of Alcohol.

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I can 100% guarantee you that both, the Victim and the guys who beat him, were under the influence of Alcohol.
With your insider knowledge, the assailants are as good as convicted already.
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EDIT: I walk around at night all the time, I have no fear of getting into any crime. I'm really shocked about this unfortunate event. And I can 100% guarantee you that both, the Victim and the guys who beat him, were under the influence of Alcohol.

The influence of alcohol cannot be accepted as an excuse for violence
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EDIT: I walk around at night all the time, I have no fear of getting into any crime. I'm really shocked about this unfortunate event. And I can 100% guarantee you that both, the Victim and the guys who beat him, were under the influence of Alcohol.

There is no hint that the victim was under influence of alchol
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EDIT: I walk around at night all the time, I have no fear of getting into any crime. I'm really shocked about this unfortunate event. And I can 100% guarantee you that both, the Victim and the guys who beat him, were under the influence of Alcohol.
The victim is dead now, probably because he couldn't deal with what happened to him. And you think it's relevant to mention that he supposedly (!) was under the influence of alcohol. Tactful...
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Did you try it? Part of Google translate reads:

It sounds as if the Zug prosecutor would not lift a finger in this case. However, this is not so: "We are in the midst of the investigation there and have therefore not yet been informed," said Spokesman Marcel Schlatter. "There was an altercation on September 5, which is why we are also disengaged" confirms Schlatter. In addressing the young man had been seriously injured medium.

Now we all know what it meant? Even those who don't have English as their mother tongue?
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It sounds as if Zug's Office of Public Prosecutor would not lift a finger in this case. However, this is indeed not so: "We are in the midst of the investigation, and therefore we did not yet give any information on this case," said Spokesman Marcel Schlatter. "There was an altercation on September 5, which is why we were also dispatched on this day" confirms Schlatter. In the altercation the young man had been injured medium.
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There is no hint that the victim was under influence of alchol
It's quite obvious. I'm 17 and I've been there myself.
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He got beaten, because he refused to give beer to a 16 Year old boy -> Source: 20min.ch

Of course it's not an excuse, but I'm just mentioning it. Alchol is one of the reasons why he got beaten. The offenders probably weren't able to think straight.

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It's quite obvious. I'm 17 and I've been there myself.


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He got beaten, because he refused to give beer to a 16 Year old boy -> Source: 20min.ch
Link to your mentioned source in 20min

20min say the fight was about beer. Alain says the fight happened because he refused to give beer to under-16s. [colagamerXD, that is no proof whatsoever that he was under the influence, just that he was obeying the law. ] He was beaten up because of that, and ended up in hospital with head injuries. At home he ended his own life.

Beat Meier, the father, says that he wants to state that youth violence shouldn't be tolerated and that his son's example shows how much victims suffer, that this suffering can have fatal consequences. He wants to prevent reoccurrence of cases such as his son's.

Alain's remains will be distributed in Alaska.
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Link to your mentioned source in 20min

20min say the fight was about beer. Alain says the fight happened because he refused to give beer to under-16s. [colagamerXD, that is no proof whatsoever that he was under the influence, just that he was obeying the law. ] He was beaten up because of that, and ended up in hospital with head injuries. At home he ended his own life.

Beat Meier, the father, says that he wants to state that youth violence shouldn't be tolerated and that his son's example shows how much victims suffer, that this suffering can have fatal consequences. He wants to prevent reoccurrence of cases such as his son's.

Alain's remains will be distributed in Alaska.
I read that too, sorry I got that with the 16yo boy wrong, apperantly he's younger than 16. And I think he did the correct thing. I know there are alot of scumbags down there and I personally wouldn't want to mess with them.

I know there's no proof that he was under influence, but there's no reason to be out at midnight,by the lake - with beer, without drinking it. That doesn't make sense.

So I correct myself, I assume he was under influence.
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It's quite obvious. I'm 17 and I've been there myself.
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He got beaten, because he refused to give beer to a 16 Year old boy -> Source: 20min.ch
Nothing illegal about giving beer to a 16-year-old.
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Nothing illegal about giving beer to a 16-year-old.
Yes, you that's correct, but apparently the kid was younger than 16. (I read that wrong)
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there's no reason to be out at midnight,by the lake - with beer, without drinking it. That doesn't make sense.
He wasn't hurting anybody, that does not matter.
From what I read, others started to attack him. One can be wherever they please at whatever time of day or night: As long as they aren't endangering others they can be outside with vats of vodka. One doesn't need a reason to do so.
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apparently the kid was younger than 16. (I read that wrong)
No, he was 16, you read it correctly.

"Il 16enne, con dei suoi amici, ha punito questo rifiuto..."

"The 16 year old, with his friends, punished this refusal..."

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He wasn't hurting anybody, that does not matter.
From what I read, others started to attack him. One can be wherever they please at whatever time of day or night: As long as they aren't endangering others they can be outside with vats of vodka. One doesn't need a reason to do so.
I think we share the same thought.
Alain (victim) did nothing wrong, he acted correctly, obeyed the law.
It wasn't his vault.
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Cheeky. The people he was "supposed" to offer it to were under 16, while he himself was 16. So he was allowed to drink it (but didn't) - perfectly legal, while they weren't, and he refused to give it to them (perfectly legal) and they beat him up for it (illegal).
Nope, you read it wrong.

He was 21, the kid who wanted the beer was 16.

http://www.tio.ch/News/Svizzera/Cron...ulla-coscienza

"Secondo Alain, il litigio era nato perché il 21enne si era rifiutato di dare una birra ad un ragazzo minorenne. Il 16enne, con dei suoi amici, ha punito questo rifiuto pestando selvaggiamente Alain. "

"According to Alain, the argument started because the 21 year old refused to give a beer to a minor. The 16 year old, with his friends, punished this refusal by savagely beating Alain."

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I read that too, sorry I got that with the 16yo boy wrong, apperantly he's younger than 16. And I think he did the correct thing. I know there are alot of scumbags down there and I personally wouldn't want to mess with them.

I know there's no proof that he was under influence, but there's no reason to be out at midnight,by the lake - with beer, without drinking it. That doesn't make sense.

So I correct myself, I assume he was under influence.
Wrong the other way. The main culprit made a bad mistake but to describe him as a SCUMBAG goes too far

And when looking a the story I see that the victim got treated in hospital and then did suicide back home, but did not die out of the hits he got. An absolute tragedy
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