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Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

Bit of a shocker

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Am 5.9.2015 wurde mein in der Zwischenzeit verstorbener Sohn Alain Meier von einer Gruppe Jugendlicher zusammengeschlagen.

Ort: Schützenmattwiese, Zug
Zeit: Am 5.9.2014 ca. 00:05 Uhr mogens

Wer kann Hinweise auf die Täterschaft geben?
Hat jemand den Angriff beobachtet?

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- Bitte keine Selbstjustiz oder Hetze veranstalten!
- Es geht lediglich darum, die Täter ausfindig zu machen und der Jusiz zuzuführen

Nachdem die vermutlichen Täter bekannt sind suche ich Zeugen, die den Vorfall beobachtet haben. Jede Aussage zählt und ich zähle auf Euch da draussen!!!
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Ich bin übrwältigt von den vielen schönen Worten die mir wildfremde Menschen zugesandt haben. Auf diesem Weg danke ich Allen ganz hertzlich.

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Es sind schon zahlreiche Hinweise auf die Identität der möglichen Schläger eingegangen und die Schlinge zieht sich langsam aber sicher zu!

19.9.2015: 17:35
Soeben ist eine Meldung eingegangen, die direkt zu den Verdächtigen führt.
Dieser Beitrag wurde bis jetzt 22536 mal geteilt - Danke!

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Why are you posting this, was he a friend of yours?

English translation as per forum rules please.
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Why are you posting this, was he a friend of yours?
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err.... awareness that there are some scumbags out there. unusual activity for zug...

not known to me but I'm a parent and care.
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err.... awareness that there are some scumbags out there. unusual activity for zug...

not known to me but I'm a parent and care.
It seems you got the wrong impression of my question.
People might want to read this text more (in detail) if he was a friend of yours, hence the question.
And if you want people on this forum to be aware of what happened, English translation is simply needed - and this is part of the forum rules.
Slapping a non-English text on this forum without explanation, while breaking forum rules at that, isn't well received.
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Old 20.09.2015, 00:24
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Re: Lad beaten and killed in zug!!

English translation is needed

I can run it through Google and tidy up the incomprehensible bits but before I start I want to be fairly sure no-one else is doing it...
Otherwise I can go off to bed.
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Re: Lad beaten and killed in zug!!

As was reported in the media, there was a brawl and the victim being beaten up. Suicide occurred later. All too bad and sad.

Unfortunately confrontations and violent deaths also happen here, like the Eschenring double murder case, which was only resolved after a long time.
Two violent deaths occurred some five years ago, remain unresolved: one on Chamer Fussweg in Zug, one in Baar-Blickensdorf (pedestrian presumably killed by a car).
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Re: Lad beaten and killed in zug!!

On 05/09/2015 my son Alain Meier was beaten up by a group of youths. He has since died.
Location: Schützenmattwiese, Zug 05/09/2014 at 00:05 a.m.
Can anyone give clues as to the perpetrator?
Did anyone see the attack?
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When the alleged perpetrators are found, we shall need witnesses who saw the incident.
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I recommend that the culprits give themselves up to the police no later than 10 a.m. on 21.9.2015 at the (Control Centre) Zug Police Station
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Old 20.09.2015, 02:27
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Re: Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

How terribly sad. I didn't just read a translation but the painful loss of a son.
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As was reported in the media, there was a brawl and the victim being beaten up. Suicide occurred later. All too bad and sad.

Unfortunately confrontations and violent deaths also happen here, like the Eschenring double murder case, which was only resolved after a long time.
Two violent deaths occurred some five years ago, remain unresolved: one on Chamer Fussweg in Zug, one in Baar-Blickensdorf (pedestrian presumably killed by a car).
And I was sure Zug is he safest place in Europe, really scary. No more late evening walks.
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Re: Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

Thanks Longbyt for the translation; I read (and shared) the original German Facebook post as the father is apparently the friend of a friend, but there are an awful lot of people here who don't understand German.

That actually happened about 100m from where I live (the original beating part). I do remember a similar group beating about the time I moved back here in 2011 at the train station, too; groups of thick-headed boys are the same the world over.

That said, Izabella, I think Zug is generally pretty safe and well lit (in total, I've lived here maybe 6 years); take a few basic precautions such as being aware of what's going on around you and you've most likely got nothing to worry about.
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http://www.zentralplus.ch/de/news/ge...nmattwiese.htm
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Re: Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

For those who cannot cope with the German in the article link in the previous post - this is partly a repeat of the information in previous posts.
The article here adds that the police are working on the case, searching for the culprits and asking for witnesses to come forward. As is to be expected, they are not too happy about the father taking things into his own hands.
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Sorry.
The article should be a bit easier to put into google-translate than a FB-posting, though.
And maybe somebody learns a word or two of German by this way ;-)
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Re: Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

I don't want to sound insensitive here, but the actual crime is a beating isn't it?

I am not trying to minimize it, but teenagers or young people often get involved in such fights either from bullying or someone being drunk enough to go and offend a whole group etc. Most of the times the offenders and victims know each other, attacks on complete strangers without the intent of robbing is a small subset. (which makes these crimes easier to solve)

What I mean to say is that there is no reason to feel threatened or that Zug is dangerous just because someone got beaten. Maybe a local could imagine such a reality because he doesn't know better but expats who have lived in big cities/countries have seen way more brutal crimes happen every other day close to where they live and worked.

When I was in Glasgow last year, there were 2 rapes a few blocks from where I lived, a truck bin run into the crowd and run over an old lady in George Square and 2 teens got stabbed because they were Muslims. That's all in a year.

It is tragic he took his own life afterwards but in no way does it changes my perception that Zug is as safe as it gets.
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Sorry.
The article should be a bit easier to put into google-translate than a FB-posting, though.
And maybe somebody learns a word or two of German by this way ;-)
Did you try it? Part of Google translate reads:

It sounds as if the Zug prosecutor would not lift a finger in this case. However, this is not so: "We are in the midst of the investigation there and have therefore not yet been informed," said Spokesman Marcel Schlatter. "There was an altercation on September 5, which is why we are also disengaged" confirms Schlatter. In addressing the young man had been seriously injured medium.

Now we all know what it meant? Even those who don't have English as their mother tongue?
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Did you try it? Part of Google translate reads:

It sounds as if the Zug prosecutor would not lift a finger in this case. However, this is not so: "We are in the midst of the investigation there and have therefore not yet been informed," said Spokesman Marcel Schlatter. "There was an altercation on September 5, which is why we are also disengaged" confirms Schlatter. In addressing the young man had been seriously injured medium.

Now we all know what it meant? Even those who don't have English as their mother tongue.
I think Google has problems with the "official" Swiss-German "agency-passive-speak" or whatever you want to call it...
I'm not even sure, there are equivalent expressions in the English language that transport the same "thriftyness" with words (and action) as the Swiss-German wording.

And it seems GT doesn't realize that "Zug" is a canton in that context..

That said, I think it's a bit more clear than the original translated FB-posting.
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Re: Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

This is getting rather off-topic but the rules of the forum say that foreign language texts should be translated into English, not that members wanting to read them are expected to run them through Google themselves.
A Google translation needs 'tidying up'. One must remember (English polite phrasing for 'you should jolly well know') that it is much easier to understand a text Google-translated into English from the German if you speak fluent German.
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And it seems GT doesn't realize that "Zug" is a canton in that context..
As a German speaker, in your mind the English word 'train' in this translation is probably relinked to the town or canton of ZUG without you even noticing. The mind of a non-German speaker who reads the word 'train' is likely to go off at a tangent and he starts connecting the incident with the railways.
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Re: Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

When I was 18 in the mid 80s my cousins and were out clubbing. On the way home we got set upon by a gang - totally unprovoked and random. Just out to pick on someone. We all came off badly. There was no CCTV then, the police did their best but they never found anyone.

It took me about a year to get the confidence back to go out in the evenings. I've since taken up martial arts - still train a couple of times a week to this day.

You're almost implying that such things are the fault of the victim. It sounds like this young man was traumatised enough to take his own life. Which leaves me wondering about the quality of support he received from the police etc.

As per my case, I sincerely hope the bastards who attacked this kid are dealt with by karma. That they end up in crap marriages, with wives and kids who hate them and die of something slow and painful.

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I don't want to sound insensitive here, but the actual crime is a beating isn't it?

I am not trying to minimize it, but teenagers or young people often get involved in such fights either from bullying or someone being drunk enough to go and offend a whole group etc. Most of the times the offenders and victims know each other, attacks on complete strangers without the intent of robbing is a small subset. (which makes these crimes easier to solve)

What I mean to say is that there is no reason to feel threatened or that Zug is dangerous just because someone got beaten. Maybe a local could imagine such a reality because he doesn't know better but expats who have lived in big cities/countries have seen way more brutal crimes happen every other day close to where they live and worked.

When I was in Glasgow last year, there were 2 rapes a few blocks from where I lived, a truck bin run into the crowd and run over an old lady in George Square and 2 teens got stabbed because they were Muslims. That's all in a year.

It is tragic he took his own life afterwards but in no way does it changes my perception that Zug is as safe as it gets.
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Re: Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

I am sure the forum rules are very explicit about such things. But now and again you make an exception. In my book this is such a case and find such nitpicking to be highly inappropriate.


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This is getting rather off-topic but the rules of the forum say that foreign language texts should be translated into English, not that members wanting to read them are expected to run them through Google themselves.
A Google translation needs 'tidying up'. One must remember (English polite phrasing for 'you should jolly well know') that it is much easier to understand a text Google-translated into English from the German if you speak fluent German.
As a German speaker, in your mind the English word 'train' in this translation is probably relinked to the town or canton of ZUG without you even noticing. The mind of a non-German speaker who reads the word 'train' is likely to go off at a tangent and he starts connecting the incident with the railways.
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Re: Lad beaten and killed [himself, later] in zug!!

It's a horrible thing but you just never know what was going on with the young man. Was there any connection between the events even ? More to it?


Somebody mention Glasgow .. Yup i grew up there, received and dispensed many a hospital visit in my wild teenage years and still have some scars. But it didn't necessarily make Glasgow a bad place
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