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Swiss music bands/singers

Have music styles changed to such an extent? Or am I just getting too old and fogey to appreciate it anymore?

I find that live bands play their music far too loud to be able to hear the singer singing.

Went to a local music venue on Saturday night, much looking forward to hearing this particular singer - but the back-up music was SO loud and screeching with too much bass (?), could hardly hear the singer! He had one guy playing keyboard (who also controlled all the electronics).

Being a friend, I had a chat to him during a break about the level of the music, but he just looked offended and didnt change anything.

Seemed such a shame, as so many people began leaving early - not being able to stand the head pounding noise. The reason everyone packed in there was because the singer is actually VERY good, but he got no feedback from the crowd because the "music" destroyed the magic. (And his future reputation). By the time we left (early) he was playing to a few drunks left at the bar and a hall full of empty tables.

Not only this gig, but at many others its become the same - just TOO loud and over-riding the singing voice.
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Old 28.09.2015, 13:24
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Re: Swiss music bands/singers

how strange.i went to an event of my boyfreinds work place in a very popular bar club here in bern and they had a singer and the musicians bands were not overpowering her voice to the point that i couldnt appreicate her voice. id say it was quite equal..maybe the band slightly but only slightly higher.. it was jazz style and many people loved it

i start to wonder in your case maybe the singer had a bad throat and so to cover up they lift the music or maybe it was all pre recorded voice singing so there was nothing he could do about it.

i love bars and pubs where you sit down and listen to singer singing with or without band.if you know any in bern hit me back
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Re: Swiss music bands/singers

To be honest it's always been the case for me at an inside venue. Plenty of bass, plenty of ear piercing treble, but the midrange, especially the lower midrange, which is critical for a singers performance just disappears.

I think a lot of these music venues were never designed and built as a music venue, meaning the acoustics can be atrocious. So what ends up happening is that certain frequencies will be reinforced by the acoustics and others will end up being cancelled as the sound bounces around the room. You can mitigate that to some degree with acoustic treatment, but if you've got a really bad space acoustically then acoustic treatment is just polishing a turd.

So, no. You're not getting old, as quite frankly I've always had this problem at all inside venues that were not purpose built for musical performances.
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Re: Swiss music bands/singers

Good thinking I overlooked that part. Indeed the venue i been to was enormous like a theatre so the sound was great . The guy who mentioned music being too loud was probably at a small venue like pubs and places that music can't surround properly and gets stuck there
Terrible . In fact I've experienced it before but the people need to fix the speakers and all that revolves around the sounds and adapt to smaller surroundings duh
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Re: Swiss music bands/singers

I'm a lifelong guitarist from Los Angeles,and I really don't have that problem at all.

I mostly check out my Luzerner musician friends play at Schüür,and my old Kriens drummer's club called The Blues Bar in Kreins/LU;and of coarse the old Stadtkeller to hear and jam with local bands.

I mostly hang out in the Lucerne's
music scene at The Sedel,a 52 rehearsal room building (the old jail house prison),that my old legendary jazz drummer Fredy Studer owns for years;it's
where a lot of bands and musicians practice at.
(Mostly my musician friends rush out to me and ask if the sound is okay and the PA sounds okai dokie.)

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Why would you move from LA to swizerland . Don't get me wrong it's nice here different but from my travels abroad I definitely prefer LA Angeles ( the weather, food , palm trees, more life and more places to play at and the list goes on
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Re: Swiss music bands/singers

Poor mixing at live gigs is not unique to Swiss bands or venues. Sometimes settings may be thought of as fixed, then preset regardless of the venue, which is crazy. Then sound checks may be done with no people in a hall, also crazy, as they both absorb and generate noise, and the vocal frequencies are in those most affected by them.

What gets me is how easy it would be, even if you don't have any band groupies. to just ask a member of staff to keep an ear out for the mix when there's an audience there.

I've occasionally managed to do this myself, but often the band are too preoccupied to pay attention, so you can go through a whole set without really being able to hear the vocals. Of course, that's not always a bad thing
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Re: Swiss music bands/singers

On the subject of live music volume, I'm reminded of a gig I was at in Engelberg last year. An AC/DC tribute band was playing, very loudly, and pretty good too. But the venue was providing earplugs to anyone that wanted, and about 90% of the audience seemed to be using them.

I mean, what's the point of going to a heavy rock concert if your ears aren't bleeding afterwards?
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Re: Swiss music bands/singers

Ah ha .... seems the answer lies in the recent renovations carried out in this particular hall.

The walls were plastered over something or other that allows no absorption of sound - so any noise gets reverberated back into the room.

The owner had decided to do this to allow his parties to go on till early hours without disturbing the neighbors. (noise containment!)

Great idea, but catastrophic for live bands! and their ear-bleeding audience!

To make matters worse - the host played German/Austrian Schlager music CD`s in the intervals, at the same decibel output! Which ensured a steady trickle of departures as conversation was totally impossible.
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