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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

I agree that Switzerland for whatever reason is a VERY stressful place, for kids & adults. My husband is born and raised in CH and you are taught to comform like a robot and yes, I too be live the studies are too much. My husband said his school years were some of the most stressful in his life.

Kids are not allowed to relax and just be from what I have observed, so if you can get that for your children somewhere else, I say go for it
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

I do not have children but thought that Switzerland would be a much better place for them to be educated in a state system compared to the UK as I had the feeling that levels of discipline in uk schools have become much harder to regulate.

Secondly, and especially so, that being educated here they would be much more likely to turn out multi lingual.
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

A friend just moved her two kids back to the uk. From Sec A first and second year to a Uk secondary. The pressure and also the issues of getting into uk unversity unless the child gets the top school qualification was the push factor for them to move.
The kids are much happier and doing well in school. However they had a firm foundation of English having spent most of their schooling up to the last years of primary school in the uk. Then they came to Switzerland and did very well. There were some gaps including some in Math and the lack of experience of creative writing.
I would check about when they take their options for GCSE as I think it is now year 8 in the uk. That might cause challenges for your children as they will not have long to adjust to a new teaching style before taking exams/ making subject choices for exams.
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... If any of you can help answer any of my questions I would appritiate it. THANKYOU . As people say the grass is greener on the other side 😏
I have friends who live near the park in Gillingham, Kent, a cheaper place to live, Kent is also good for the seaside, fast train to St Pancras takes about 45 mins.. I would definitely avoid living in London (traffic, fumes, noise, less community in many areas as people just commute). Choose somewhere near the country. I'm in Hemel Hempstead, Herts. which is nice, 30 mins on the train to Euston.

I'm not a parent but I have heard that the discipline in some schools is not as good as say Switzerland.
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Old 16.10.2015, 14:57
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

Never realized the school system was so intense. I always knew, if I have kids, they would not do the Swiss system. So I figured I would move over to the UK.

In Canada the school system is sounds very easy in comparison, does anyone have experience comparing it with UK.

Of course the main thing would have to be getting a job----which I also assume is much easier in Canada than in the UK.
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

View from a teacher (U.K. + CH) and a parent at the same time:


- Britain is now one of the countries that does most testing (SATS, pre-GCSEs, 11+ in some areas, GCSEs, GCEs...). Even in Nursery our kids were tested for their "circle drawing" or "balanced jumping"!!


They loved primary school, were the teachers are taken the approach to "not wind up the kids with the exams attitude", so they were tested without realising it. The respect of others and multiculturalism, team work, creativity, advanced skills in ICT, thorough and supportive teaching on reading, spelling and numeracy were all fantastic...and they had FUN!


Secondary school was more mixed, first because they became teenagers, but also because the local comprehensive school was a mixed bag, with some difficult kids and some amount of bullying. However, on the whole the teachers were incredible, supportive, gutsy, charismatic, sorted and our kids came out as well-balanced people. You know that at the core of everything they did was the well-being and success of your child. I don't get the feeling this is the case here.
When we moved to Switzerland, they joined secondary school but it turned out that their levels in their various subjects were equal or higher, so no problem academically either. Eldest kid took his IB with a score of 40 out 45, opening the doors to all top universities.


As a teacher, I did find that everything was geared towards the GCSE exams, with exams being taken earlier and earlier, even in year 9 in some cases. In some schools, trips and outings are discouraged even in that year group so as to not disrupt the GCSE courses, madness!


As a parent, and also because we lived in Germany for a while, our children had a lot more autonomy and freedom on Continental Europe than in the U.K. where things are little more tensed and aggressive. As teenagers, it was also a lot more fun, but we lived near a big city.


I get the feeling your main problem is that you live somewhere quite isolated and as your children grow older, this is a real problem. This is a reason why, when we moved here, we chose our accommodation where public transport would take them to/back from school and to town to meet their friends (This was not the cheaper option for us, but the best).
Maybe you should consider this option: staying in CH but moving nearer to a bigger city? Good luck!
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View from a teacher (U.K. + CH) and a parent at the same time:


- Britain is now one of the countries that does most testing (SATS, pre-GCSEs, 11+ in some areas, GCSEs, GCEs...). Even in Nursery our kids were tested for their "circle drawing" or "balanced jumping"!!


They loved primary school, were the teachers are taken the approach to "not wind up the kids with the exams attitude", so they were tested without realising it. The respect of others and multiculturalism, team work, creativity, advanced skills in ICT, thorough and supportive teaching on reading, spelling and numeracy were all fantastic...and they had FUN!


Secondary school was more mixed, first because they became teenagers, but also because the local comprehensive school was a mixed bag, with some difficult kids and some amount of bullying. However, on the whole the teachers were incredible, supportive, gutsy, charismatic, sorted and our kids came out as well-balanced people. You know that at the core of everything they did was the well-being and success of your child. I don't get the feeling this is the case here.
When we moved to Switzerland, they joined secondary school but it turned out that their levels in their various subjects were equal or higher, so no problem academically either. Eldest kid took his IB with a score of 40 out 45, opening the doors to all top universities.


As a teacher, I did find that everything was geared towards the GCSE exams, with exams being taken earlier and earlier, even in year 9 in some cases. In some schools, trips and outings are discouraged even in that year group so as to not disrupt the GCSE courses, madness!


As a parent, and also because we lived in Germany for a while, our children had a lot more autonomy and freedom on Continental Europe than in the U.K. where things are little more tensed and aggressive. As teenagers, it was also a lot more fun, but we lived near a big city.


I get the feeling your main problem is that you live somewhere quite isolated and as your children grow older, this is a real problem. This is a reason why, when we moved here, we chose our accommodation where public transport would take them to/back from school and to town to meet their friends (This was not the cheaper option for us, but the best).
Maybe you should consider this option: staying in CH but moving nearer to a bigger city? Good luck!




Teacher doing mistakes! Dear me! But it's Friday and I had 8 periods of "interesting teaching" with teenagers already on holiday in their mind...so that's allowed!
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

Just my 2 pence on the UK educational system.

The one problem with the UK school system, in my opinion, is the lack of consistency in standards across the country. If you can afford to pay £10-15K p.a. (per child) for private schools, live in a wealthy catchment area, or if your kids are smart enough (or tutored enough) to pass the 11+ exam than you can access some of the best education in the world. If, on the other hand, you can't afford school fees, are forced to live in a poor catchment area, or you miss out on the grammar school system your kids may end up in a weak school and fail to achieve to their fullest. Obviously for most kids in the UK the school experience is somewhere in between the 2 scenarios that I've just described.

With regards to university participation rates, it is true that they are much higher in the UK. Having said this, there is now an excess supply of graduates coming out of universities with degrees not worth the paper they were written on. Many of these graduates are thousands of pounds in debt and are languishing in non-graduate level work leading to resentment and frustration. While the Swiss system may seem unfair in that it streams students at an earlier age it also attempts to ensure that those who do go to university are academically up for it.

One other point, which may or may not be of interest to you, is that in the PISA global educational rankings (take these with a pinch of salt!) Switzerland ranks well ahead of the UK in both math and science.
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Teacher doing mistakes! Dear me! But it's Friday and I had 8 periods of "interesting teaching" with teenagers already on holiday in their mind...so that's allowed!
Shouldn't that be 'making mistakes'.
What's your excuse this time? Is your brain on holiday too?
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Just my 2 pence on the UK educational system.

The one problem with the UK school system, in my opinion, is the lack of consistency in standards across the country.
I cannot agree more with Brian1985 on the above quoted.

I will personally not move my children once they've started well into the UK school system, or any other system they are in. Because we don't have the funds for our children to go to private schools / international schools I think such a move will be difficult for them. Oldest is 5 in December. I have whole 2016 to make the move to CH. If for some reason cannot move in 2016 i will not move at all after 2016. If we have the funds for international schools I might think again.

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Switzerland is the best place to raise children. There it is, I've said it!

Some personal calculations on another note. University fees for 3 children, 4 years, £6000-£9000 per year in UK can be 105.600 CHF - 158.400 CHF compared with a friends cost @ ETH Zirih 660 CHF per semester (15840 CHF for 4 years for 3 kids).

I'm not planning my life / to save money 15-18 years from now, I might not be a live then. l just not want my children to be in debts when they finish universities. Debts = stress and that takes us back to the main subject on this thread.
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

I find the whole tuition fees argument a bit redundant. Just take a loan out which will be the lowest interest loan you will ever have. The payments will be garnished from your salary when you earn enough and then after a while the whole loan is forgiven. It doesn't appear on your credit report as a conventional loan does either.

Most middle to low earners will never pay the full amount back.
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