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Hi I've been living in Switzerland for over 20 years but would now love to move back to England. When the kids were small I loved the thought of them only starting school the year they turned 7 .they had so much time to play and you never had to worry about their safety if they were playing on the street. Now they're older. I feel they have such a stress life .They have so many tests at school and home work .I feel they don't have a life .The times they go to school is also driving me crazy.my daughter has school every morning at 7:30 (she has to leave the house at 7:00) she's 15.My son is 13 he has school 3 times a week at 7:30 untill 17:00 , that means he's not home until 5:45 and then he has homework and learn for tests. The other 2 days he starts at 9 and finishes at 15:00 . Every second teacher is telling the class how bad they are and they're the worst class they've ever had ( just not motivating &#128530 I think the English system where the kids have school untill 15:00 is nice so they have time to do something after school even if they do have homework . I've wanted to go back for about 10 years.i just want to talk English again and be myself. My German is good so that's not a problem but it's not my mother tonge.
Ok sorry for the big story . I would love to hear from people that have experienced Swiss and English life's ( not private schools) are the kids under a lot less pressure in UK ? Unother big issue I have about moving back is safety? I grew up in Reading and you could never let the kids out to play because parents said it wasn't safe? If we moved there could our son go to the park and play football with freind's without me having to be worried? What do kids that age do after school? We're thinking of moving to Kent area as husband will work in London.what I love about Switzerland is that I can go for nice walks on my own and feel safe and the kids can go into town and take a bus to another village on there own and I know it's ok . I find Switzerland a very cold and lonely country even though I have freind's , work and talk the language .
Sorry for the long letter but Im desperate to move but I'm scared i'll be doing the wrong thing to my kids.
If any of you can help answer any of my questions I would appritiate it. THANKYOU . As people say the grass is greener on the other side 😏
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

When i was in school (in Ireland but im sure its similar to the UK)
We had school till 16h then it was suggested we study for 3 hours in the evening. THREE HOURS.
Because i didnt study for three hours my parent signed me up for "Night study" where you stay in school for extra couple hours every bloody day.

Maybe the UK has something like this? Hopefully not!
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

What do the kids think? They are old enough to have an opinion no? Do they find the hours and work acceptable when balanced with the good lifestyle? Is it you pushing them too hard - or is it the school - or is it their choice?

I'm at the beginning of the journey with kids just 5 & 2 so I can't help really .. But I might be in your situation one day
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

It will be a difficult age for them to slot into the UK system especially for your older child as she will be arriving right in the middle of the GCSE preparation years.
If both your children have done all their schooling in German in the Swiss public schools they may find it quite tough to do all their studying English and may well have a fair bit of catching up/extra study to do in some subjects.

As for how safe it is I would say that really depends on where you live. My 13 year old nephew goes out with his friends but they live in a village in Yorkshire.
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When i was in school (in Ireland but im sure its similar to the UK)
We had school till 16h then it was suggested we study for 3 hours in the evening. THREE HOURS.
Because i didnt study for three hours my parent signed me up for "Night study" where you stay in school for extra couple hours every bloody day.

Maybe the UK has something like this? Hopefully not!
Wow that's crazy 😒

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What do the kids think? They are old enough to have an opinion no? Do they find the hours and work acceptable when balanced with the good lifestyle? Is it you pushing them too hard - or is it the school - or is it their choice?

I'm at the beginning of the journey with kids just 5 & 2 so I can't help really .. But I might be in your situation one day
My daughter would go tomorrow , my son doesn't want to move full stop. But most kids don't want to move if asked. They both complain about all the work. I try so hard to balance it out so they ave time for themselves but it's hard .the first week back after the holidays ny so had 2 French tests and history. You have the choice of saying no, they should enjoy the holiday or they gave to learn everyday .i think it's wrong.

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It will be a difficult age for them to slot into the UK system especially for your older child as she will be arriving right in the middle of the GCSE preparation years.
If both your children have done all their schooling in German in the Swiss public schools they may find it quite tough to do all their studying English and may well have a fair bit of catching up/extra study to do in some subjects.

As for how safe it is I would say that really depends on where you live. My 13 year old nephew goes out with his friends but they live in a village in Yorkshire.
THANKYOU , they are both in Swiss schools but my daughter's English writing is great my son would have to go back a year.

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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

We moved back to the UK recently after 16 years in CH. We did it to coincide with our daughter starting primary school.

When we heard that at our Swiss village kindergarten (45 minute walk away) after 2 years she was expected to be able to count from 1-20 and backward from 10-1 and recognise shapes and colours we were a little well you know...Because our 3 year old can do that.

Also the bit in the kindergarten letter where they wrote "and if any of the children don't dance in line with the others, we have a school psychiatrist available to deal with any problems" - erm, ok. Conform or have your brain examined ?!

Here in the UK it feels like a relief to be honest. Much more relaxed. Much less stuffy. We easily found an affordable house which is much bigger than we could have hoped for in CH, with a big garden. We found a superb nursery for our toddler which does a much wider range of activities than the Swiss one, has better food and costs about half the price. They still do all the wholesome forest stuff too, and the philosophy is similar - they just seem more motivated.

School is going well for our 5 yo daughter, her reading is coming on in leaps and bounds, her numeracy is really good - I'm blown away. She was very motivated to learn before we did this, and now she finally has the proper encouragement and situation to be able to do so. It's like she's been unleashed.

I don't regret it for a minute. In the end I will always have Switzerland for holidays and Yorkshire for normal daily life, and I think for us at least, it's the better arrangement.
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We moved back to the UK recently after 16 years in CH. We did it to coincide with our daughter starting primary school.

When we heard that at our Swiss village kindergarten (45 minute walk away) after 2 years she was expected to be able to count from 1-20 and backward from 10-1 and recognise shapes and colours we were a little well you know...Because our 3 year old can do that.

Also the bit in the kindergarten letter where they wrote "and if any of the children don't dance in line with the others, we have a school psychiatrist available to deal with any problems" - erm, ok. Conform or have your brain examined ?!

Here in the UK it feels like a relief to be honest. Much more relaxed. Much less stuffy. We easily found an affordable house which is much bigger than we could have hoped for in CH, with a big garden. We found a superb nursery for our toddler which does a much wider range of activities than the Swiss one, has better food and costs about half the price. They still do all the wholesome forest stuff too, and the philosophy is similar - they just seem more motivated.

School is going well for our 5 yo daughter, her reading is coming on in leaps and bounds, her numeracy is really good - I'm blown away. She was very motivated to learn before we did this, and now she finally has the proper encouragement and situation to be able to do so. It's like she's been unleashed.

I don't regret it for a minute. In the end I will always have Switzerland for holidays and Yorkshire for normal daily life, and I think for us at least, it's the better arrangement.
THANK you for your reply , I'm so happy things turned out for your family. Wish you many more happy years in UK
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

When I was at school in the UK, we started at 0845 and finished at 1530. But I remember spending many hours doing homework, especially in GCSE & A-level years, 14-18. We also had exams in every subject at the end on the school year in secondary school.
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

Are your kids in the Gymnasium stream? My son is 14 and doesn't have nearly the amount of school that your kids do. He is in Sek (middle stream in Canton Berne), he starts at 7:30 three times a week and 8:20 twice, but comes home between noon and 4pm every day. Homework is reasonable.
There is a reason why only about 20% of kids attend Gymnasium here, it is very stressful and a big commitment even for very bright kids.
Personally, I would not want to move to England, especially the London area, to busy for me. Moving teenagers is another issue, beside the difference in the school systems it can be a real struggle socially. I moved to London in grade 8 and I would now say it was probably the worst year in my life.
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

From what I hear of the teenage kids of my contemporaries, the UK education system is every bit as stressful as the Swiss. In terms of quality, the Swiss system is superior in some aspects, and worse in others.

The main advantages of the Swiss system are:
1. Low university fees
2. Apprenticeships
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Are your kids in the Gymnasium stream? My son is 14 and doesn't have nearly the amount of school that your kids do. He is in Sek (middle stream in Canton Berne), he starts at 7:30 three times a week and 8:20 twice, but comes home between noon and 4pm every day. Homework is reasonable.
There is a reason why only about 20% of kids attend Gymnasium here, it is very stressful and a big commitment even for very bright kids.
Personally, I would not want to move to England, especially the London area, to busy for me. Moving teenagers is another issue, beside the difference in the school systems it can be a real struggle socially. I moved to London in grade 8 and I would now say it was probably the worst year in my life.
They are both in the Bez (different in AG) yes we knew it would be stressful their notes are good and they're doing well, but it's soooo much stress.i could cope with that if it was only that .what bothers me more is the way the teachers put them down all the time instead of motivating them.i wish we could go for a few months and see for ourselves what it's like in UK but that's complicated.
Thanks for your help
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When we heard that at our Swiss village kindergarten (45 minute walk away) after 2 years she was expected to be able to count from 1-20 and backward from 10-1 and recognise shapes and colours we were a little well you know...Because our 3 year old can do that.
But what you are ignoring is that emphasis is on social skills, team work, loyalty to the group, acceptance of foreigners etc... building confident and learning to be independent.

Both my kids went through the Swiss kindergarten system and I know they are far more indpendant and better able to deal with the world than had they spent their time academically.
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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

If you move back to an area in the UK where they still have the 11+ - it would of course be much harder. To prepare for GCSEs your child will be better off dropping back a year to have time to adjust ( I have taught O'levels, GCSEs, AS and A Levels in the UK for many years until fairly recently).

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Well, I don't know how is the school in UK...but I have had a lot of experiences in my life...
I mean, I studied in a regular school in Brazil till 3rd year..than we moved (me and my parents and brother) to Zurich - (I was 10) . We stayed here for 2 years and went back to Sao Paulo - huge city and dangerous also.
Back in SP we went to the Schweizerschule there for 4 years...than my father wanted us to go to a regular Brasilian school...wich I did no want...and I end up in a really "tough" catholic school. So, since 12 yars old, I was going to full time schools from 8 - 16:30.

I don't think is so bad, depending on the schedule and subjects the school is teaching...I had a lot of opportunities to choose between for example: an instrument to play or learning English.

On the other hand, I would consider that would be great for them to experience another country aside from SUI. I mean, all we know that England is a lot different from here...I feel like people are more open and warmer! Try to ask them what they want too! Moving is never bad...it will ee a great new experience for all of you! When you change countries you learn so much about people, cultures and etc....

Also, they have a good age to experience this and maybe later, they can choose college here or in UK...or even in another country, who knows?
In my point of view would be a good opportunty for them....!

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But what you are ignoring is that emphasis is on social skills, team work, loyalty to the group, acceptance of foreigners etc... building confident and learning to be independent.

Both my kids went through the Swiss kindergarten system and I know they are far more indpendant and better able to deal with the world than had they spent their time academically
Wow what Kindergarten did your kids go to, doesn't sound like a Swiss Kindergarten . Kindergarten life is also a bit different to life as a teenager.thankyou for your tip but I need to know more about secondary schools.

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Re: Thinking of moving back to UK

What areas still have Eleven Plus Exams?

To assist you find your chosen grammar school or area using school grammar school selection tests we have arranged the information into regions as follows:
East AngliaEssex and South-End-on Sea
East MidlandsLincolnshire
LondonBarnet, Bexley, Bromley, Enfield, Kingston upon Thames, Redbridge, Surrey, Sutton
Northern EnglandCalderdale, Kirklees, North Yorkshire
North Western EnglandCumbria, Lancashire, Liverpool, Trafford, Wirral
South Eastern EnglandBuckinghamshire, Kent, Medway Towns, Reading, Slough
South Western EnglandBournemouth, Devon, Gloucestershire, Plymouth, Poole, Torbay, Wiltshire
West MidlandsBirmingham, Stoke on Trent, Walsall, Warwickshire, Wolverhampton, The Wrekin
Northern Ireland

So I'd say it would be much easier to move back to an area with a comprehensive system- at their age, truly. But even so- at 15 and 13- it is a very difficult time and they would have to go back one year to adjust. Unless they are very academic, moving to a Grammar School Area would be much harder to fit in.
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If you move back to an area in the UK where they still have the 11+ - it would of course be much harder. To prepare for GCSEs your child will be better off dropping back a year to have time to adjust.
Definitely, have to go back a year

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What areas still have Eleven Plus Exams?

To assist you find your chosen grammar school or area using school grammar school selection tests we have arranged the information into regions as follows:
East AngliaEssex and South-End-on Sea
East MidlandsLincolnshire
LondonBarnet, Bexley, Bromley, Enfield, Kingston upon Thames, Redbridge, Surrey, Sutton
Northern EnglandCalderdale, Kirklees, North Yorkshire
North Western EnglandCumbria, Lancashire, Liverpool, Trafford, Wirral
South Eastern EnglandBuckinghamshire, Kent, Medway Towns, Reading, Slough
South Western EnglandBournemouth, Devon, Gloucestershire, Plymouth, Poole, Torbay, Wiltshire
West MidlandsBirmingham, Stoke on Trent, Walsall, Warwickshire, Wolverhampton, The Wrekin
Northern Ireland
Thankyou this is a big help, 😃

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Thinking about our grandchildren in Surrey- the pressure is great even now at primary school due to SATs and looming 11+. Parents are paying vasts sums of money for private tutoring to prepare them from the age of 9!

And I dream of them being able to come and live here, and be able to play outside, go on their own to the local ski slope, go for a bike ride or play in the woods. In Surrey, and I imagine in Kent too- there is no opportunity for them to play outside without supervision, walk to school on their own on their bike- everything is planned and scheduled- with after school clubs or classes every day- needing ferrying around- day in, day out. So a lot to think about.
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Thinking about our grandchildren in Surrey- the pressure is great even now at primary school due to SATs and looming 11+. Parents are paying vasts sums of money for private tutoring to prepare them from the age of 9!

And I dream of them being able to come and live here, and be able to play outside, go on their own to the local ski slope, go for a bike ride or play in the woods. In Surrey, and I imagine in Kent too- there is no opportunity for them to play outside without supervision, walk to school on their own on their bike- everything is planned and scheduled- with after school clubs or classes every day- needing ferrying around- day in, day out. So a lot to think about.
Thank you oldie ,it's so sad .wow why do they have this pressure it's crazy.im a taxi driver here for my kids where we live they have to catch two busses and the first bus us always late (bad luck not very Swiss) so they miss the second bus so I'm driving all the time.but I can live with that
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