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Old 01.11.2015, 14:06
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I don't celebrate All Hallows Day as I'm an agnostic. But if I did it would more likely be done under the wicca tradition than the Christian one.
Wicca - a 20th century invention, just like the modern halloween.

Hypocritical much?
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Old 01.11.2015, 14:32
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Absolutely. Looking forward to banning that Middle Eastern/pagan festival, Christmas, too.
Surely Christmas is just Saturnalia (therefore an Italian thing). And, of course this was effectively a solstice celebration (renewal of the light) and just the sort of party you'd have in a primitive society. Even now, who doesn't welcome the lengthening days? I'll certainly raise a glass to that.
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Oh, and, of course, all this "All Hallows" stuff is just celebrating the end of the harvest. Again, perfectly logical and really barely any different from cracking the champers open at the office to celebrate a good quarter.

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Old 01.11.2015, 14:48
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I suppose you don't have a Christmas tree either as that was originally a German tradition which first occurred many, many years after the fifth century?

Oh wait, a lot of Swiss have one too. How do you manage to cope with that?
No, I don't - no room for one in my house as there's no spare space.

The wicca religion may be a current invention, but Samhain goes back centuries. Yet another pagan custom which was Christianised.

"In the 9th century AD, Western Christianity shifted the date of All Saints' Day to 1 November, while 2 November later became All Souls' Day. Over time, Samhain and All Saints'/All Souls' merged to create the modern Halloween.[5] Historians have used the name 'Samhain' to refer to Gaelic 'Halloween' customs up until the 19th century.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samhain

I don't think wicca was ever a "religion" as such - not as we use the term today.
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Re: Halloween is slowly coming to CH...

Pagan, Christian, Agnostic or other, who cares? I'm quite happy to see people sharing a good time together rather than looking miserable, and goodness knows how in this country at this time of the year, there is enough "misery" around.
So, cheers everyone, hear the pop of that bottle! Any excuse of any religious or other background will do!
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Re: Halloween is slowly coming to CH...

we visited Japan three weeks ago and they had already started celebrating Halloween, there were decorations EverYwhere!!! Here in Zurich a neighbor threw a huge party, and kids in the neighborhood were all dressed up in costumes :-) Halloween has taken over!!
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Re: Halloween is slowly coming to CH...

i dressed up with my toddler and went around our neighborhood giving away bags of candy that were Pinterest cute-worthy, since i wasn't sure how the neighbors would react.
there were about 5 other groups of SWISS kids that were trick or treating as well.
all in all, we were well received and even took home some candy ourselves! only one neighbor out of 30 slammed the door in our face haha but for the rest we met some new faces that we didn't meet at the neighborhood block party in the summer and everyone said my little munchkin's costume was adorable

my husband's colleague said that her kid got a note from school to not go trick or treating because it isn't part of Swiss culture. ouch. does that mean no eating Chinese food here either?
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Old 02.11.2015, 12:50
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my husband's colleague said that her kid got a note from school to not go trick or treating because it isn't part of Swiss culture. ouch. does that mean no eating Chinese food here either?
I would have sent a note back telling the school to mind their own business.
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Old 02.11.2015, 13:36
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edited ... my husband's colleague said that her kid got a note from school to not go trick or treating because it isn't part of Swiss culture. Ouch.
Yeah, round here they don't like Halloween either, as some people claim it is devil worship...!!

I heard from a friend that Halloween originated in Ireland and the festivity was taken to the USA by the catholic migrants, it being the day before All Saints Day.

Whatever, I am glad Halloween has finished: I never realised how many badly made ghost films could be put on the TV!
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Old 02.11.2015, 14:06
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Re: Halloween is slowly coming to CH...

On Saturday night 21:00 I saw 3 boys ~11 years old wearing typical scream type masks at migros.

They bought nothing more than 1.5 dozen eggs to distribute to the rest of their friends waiting outside.

I think I was the only one laughing---no one else batted an eye. My SO thought it was odd, but assumed they were baking a pie

(btw kiddies, eggs get thrown on devils night: the 30th of October)
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Re: Halloween is slowly coming to CH...

We received a newsletter from the police via the school, as there is a concern that many young adults are drunk or on drugs, and that last year there was an unprecedented high level of vandalism and violence.

I still don't understand why the American Halloween traditions been adopted by so many Swiss. No let me rephrase that, I don't understand why I am been subjected to trick or treaters when clearly, and most clearly I do not live in America.

I know most of the families, whose kids trick or treat, and they are very traditional, except for this festival.

How would these families feel if I showed up on their doorstep today ( it's Deepavali) with a tray of Indian sweets, expecting to be invited in for tea and a tray of sweets in return. Wonder what would happen if I started! would be cast as the town freak for sure.
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Re: Halloween is slowly coming to CH...

Hope the clowns are not going to be out in force.
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Hope the clowns are not going to be out in force.

Of course they will be
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Old 30.10.2016, 10:23
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Re: Halloween is slowly coming to CH...

Perhaps it would be a good thing if you did Pather. However, let's face it a few sweets don't have the same selling power as sweets, costumes, makeup, etc, that Halloween does. Because that's the only reason it's getting more and more popular. The push by stores for yet another excuse to sell you yet more stuff.

It was ridiculous when we were over the States in September. Some stores had Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas stuff all out on display.
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We received a newsletter from the police via the school, as there is a concern that many young adults are drunk or on drugs, and that last year there was an unprecedented high level of vandalism and violence.

How would these families feel if I showed up on their doorstep today ( it's Deepavali) with a tray of Indian sweets, expecting to be invited in for tea and a tray of sweets in return. Wonder what would happen if I started! would be cast as the town freak for sure.
We got the same letter, except we had to sign it and return it to the school agreeing to not let our children out on Samhain.
Note i do not use the "H" word here & like you Pather I wonder what the reaction would be if i put on my Druid robes and when door to door welcoming in the Celtic new year.

We will be lighting a bonfire and welcoming in the dark half of the year & asking our ancestors for guidance , inspiration & courage in the coming months.
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We got the same letter, except we had to sign it and return it to the school agreeing to not let our children out on Samhain.
Note i do not use the "H" word here & like you Pather I wonder what the reaction would be if i put on my Druid robes and when door to door welcoming in the Celtic new year.

We will be lighting a bonfire and welcoming in the dark half of the year & asking our ancestors for guidance , inspiration & courage in the coming months.

Oooooh, may I join you? I have a deep respect and admiration for the Celtic culture and folklore.

Everyone has the right to celebrate any festival they wish to. As long as they dont drag me into it.

If one wants to celebrate Halloween, great by all means, throw a party!
But what I don't get is, Swiss who send their kids out to trick or treat. Every other day, you are sooooo Swiss, and rigid and law abiding, oh yes, and so non intrusive, but on this night your kids can adopt another culture.

And there's Fasnacht soon, so there is a festival where kids can dress up and even get a few sweets, it's also fun and full of pranks, why not just stick to your own beautiful tradition?
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And there's Fasnacht soon, so there is a festival where kids can dress up and even get a few sweets, it's also fun and full of pranks, why not just stick to your own beautiful tradition?
Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Countries have their own holidays/festivals around this time of the year so why not celebrate those instead of some imported holiday that has nothing to do with your culture. The Swiss have Fasnacht and the UK has Guy Fawkes night on the 5th November. I bet hardly anyone will be celebrating Guy Fawkes though as Halloween has pushed it right out. Shame really.
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We received a newsletter from the police via the school, as there is a concern that many young adults are drunk or on drugs, and that last year there was an unprecedented high level of vandalism and violence.

I still don't understand why the American Halloween traditions been adopted by so many Swiss. No let me rephrase that, I don't understand why I am been subjected to trick or treaters when clearly, and most clearly I do not live in America.

I know most of the families, whose kids trick or treat, and they are very traditional, except for this festival.

How would these families feel if I showed up on their doorstep today ( it's Deepavali) with a tray of Indian sweets, expecting to be invited in for tea and a tray of sweets in return. Wonder what would happen if I started! would be cast as the town freak for sure.

If you came with a plate of sweets, you'd be most welcome, whatever the motive
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Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Countries have their own holidays/festivals around this time of the year so why not celebrate those instead of some imported holiday that has nothing to do with your culture. The Swiss have Fasnacht and the UK has Guy Fawkes night on the 5th November. I bet hardly anyone will be celebrating Guy Fawkes though as Halloween has pushed it right out. Shame really.
Yes. Definitely, the stores push it as it is a sales opportunity. From the perspective of the children... you get to dress up, there are more sweets, and it isn't quite as cold as when the Raabeliechtliumzug. We did halloween on our street when the kids were young - sent letters to inform people what was going on and what it was all about, decorated the house and had a party. The funny thing is that once the kids were out of that age, it was the most conservative Swiss people that were disappointed when we stopped.

Our second child took a lot of convincing to go on the Raabeliechtliumzug, eventually we had to compromise and allow her to wear her princess hat.
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Re: Halloween is slowly coming to CH...

I've always celebrated Halloween to some degree, but not the American style version. I'm not a fan of trick or treat. My brother's generation always made the trip up to Pendle Hill, Lancashire, but I believe the police have calmed that event down over the years. Mind you, it doesn't need to be Halloween for that part of the World to spook me out.

When I was a kid, we just used to do apple bobbing and tell ghost stories, but my mum put a stop to that when she caught me and my friends having a seance when we were 10. A couple of years later I came to understand her reasoning when the five kids of a family across the road from us had a seance, that resulted in the ouija board smashing through their living room window and landing in our front garden, some 40ft away. Weeks later, all the kids were still badly shaken up by this. I don't pretend to now what happened that night, but it was enough for all Halloween parties to banned by the parents in our little neighbourhood.
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