Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 31.10.2015, 09:41
Merrylegs's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Vaud/Valais
Posts: 805
Groaned at 30 Times in 19 Posts
Thanked 1,058 Times in 459 Posts
Merrylegs has a reputation beyond reputeMerrylegs has a reputation beyond reputeMerrylegs has a reputation beyond reputeMerrylegs has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

Quote:
View Post
I would love to dine alone sometimes ..
Usually it's trying to keep 2 kids on the chair and eat as quick as possible!
Were you the guy in Migros, Les Portes, Nyon yesterday around 14.30 with two very "lively" children, who persistently left your shopping cart in the middle of the aisle whenever you took an article off the shelf, thus blocking everyone who wanted to pass you?
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 31.10.2015, 10:09
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 158
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 178 Times in 67 Posts
eairicbloodaxe has earned the respect of manyeairicbloodaxe has earned the respect of manyeairicbloodaxe has earned the respect of many
Re: Dining alone

The dining alone thing is an issue if you are new here and without your usual companion.

I also arrived here on my own for the foreseeable future, so have experienced a similar dilemma. If you go to places in Neiderdorfstrasse where there are lots of tourists, it's quite common to see us loners. But you have to avoid busy times or you're blocking a table and the restaurant will hurry you through the meal.

In less busy ares, I find a lot of places just don't "feel right" to be in just on your own. Given the price of dining out, maybe it is more "special" here. I guess that feeling is even worse if you're a woman, given sexist male attitudes towards women without a man in tow.

Also, I'm looking for a meal, not a conversation. So the pub/bar environment isn't always appealing either.

So I've ended up cooking a lot at home and freezing it so I can still eat well when I don't fancy proper cooking.

There seems to be a dearth of small friendly neighbourhood restaurants here of the sort you can pop into on a wet Wednesday when the contents of the fridge don't appeal.

Regards


Ian
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank eairicbloodaxe for this useful post:
  #23  
Old 31.10.2015, 13:55
Patsycat's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Geneva
Posts: 1,992
Groaned at 47 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 2,352 Times in 978 Posts
Patsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

Sit facing into the hub of the restaurant, then you can people watch too!!
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 31.10.2015, 15:05
Sbrinz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Murten - Morat
Posts: 10,959
Groaned at 542 Times in 342 Posts
Thanked 10,565 Times in 5,405 Posts
Sbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

Quote:
View Post
Sit facing into the hub of the restaurant, then you can people watch too!!
Sit facing the wall and you won't notice the staring neighbours.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 31.10.2015, 15:36
Patsycat's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Geneva
Posts: 1,992
Groaned at 47 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 2,352 Times in 978 Posts
Patsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond reputePatsycat has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

I've lived here too long, i like to people watch. Not stare. I hate not seeing what is going on in a restaurant.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Patsycat for this useful post:
  #26  
Old 31.10.2015, 16:17
Deep Purple's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: England
Posts: 5,145
Groaned at 15 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 5,006 Times in 2,455 Posts
Deep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

I have travelled all over Switzerland and never encountered any particular problems eating alone. I tend to avoid the more upmarket places as they seem less keen to find a table for one. They probably want to maximise their income and may stick you in some out of the way corner
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Deep Purple for this useful post:
  #27  
Old 31.10.2015, 17:29
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: ZH
Posts: 200
Groaned at 129 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 227 Times in 146 Posts
Gamebuwa Gamebuwa Gamebuwa Gamebuwa Gamebuwa
Re: Dining alone

Quote:
View Post
Hi all,

I recently moved to Zurich and since I barely know anyone here I will have to go out and dine alone quite often for the foreseeable future.

My question is whether this is common in Zurich or do people think it is weird? I come from London and I did not feel like I was stared at when I was dining alone over there, but this is not the case everywhere.

Happy to hear your thoughts.
I can come with you to dine
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Gamebuwa for this useful post:
  #28  
Old 01.11.2015, 09:02
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 2
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 7 Times in 1 Post
TwistyRoads has no particular reputation at present
Re: Dining alone

I travel for work, and I have been dining alone for years (also with friends and co-workers ☺Ö but alone many, many, times). Iím from the US, and I do not speak German. The first observation Iíll offer is that dining alone when you do not speak the local language is quite isolating. In the US, I can chat up the bartender, or eavesdrop on the conversations around me, or at least follow whatever is on the TV in the bar. So while I enjoy dining alone in Zurich and people watching, I always bring an iPhone or iPad because itís not easy for me to engage with the broader environment. With that said, here are my suggestions:

- Any major business hotel with a restaurant/bar will usually have people eating alone. I like to sit at the bar, as it is more likely to find another English speaker. My favorites are the Park Hyatt and the Marriott. The burger at the Park Hyatt is very good, but expensive.
- Vapiano. Because everyone orders individually and then picks their own seat, you donít have to ask for ďa table for one, pleaseĒ, and you donít really stand out as alone.
- Hiltl. (Vegetarian) If you do the buffet, and sit in the bar section, itís pretty good for solo dining. You can choose to people watch or sit along the window and watch outside. Also a good option for Sundays.
- Tibits. (Vegetarian). Similar to Hiltl, not quite as good, but also not quite as expensive. But easy solo window seating.
- Au Gratin / News Bar. A good option if you are tired of super quiet Swiss restaurants and just want some noise. The will let you sit at News Bar and order from the Au Gratin restaurant upstairs. Or you can sit at a table upstairs and get a table on the edge of the balconyÖ you still get the noisy atmosphere, but donít have the bar crowd to deal with.
- Paddy Reillys. Decent Irish pub food, and a boisterous sports fan base mostly from the UK and Ireland from my experience. But at least itís loud in English!
- Street sausage. When the weather is nice, you can get a bratwurst from the outside vender on the Bellevue side of the lake (or the Sternen Grill on the other side of Bellevueplatz, a local favorite) and sit on the side of the lake, people watch, swan watch, enjoy the sun, etc. If the weather is not nice enough to eat outside, you can get a sausage or pretzel sandwich in HB and find a bench and people watch for a while. My favorite is the chiliwurst sausage from the Buffet Express open grill right in the middle of the main floor.

And finally, if you donít really want to go out, the major markets (Coop, Migros) have a good selection of pre-packaged meals for one. Some donít need any preparation at all (salads, pasta salads, etc.) and some just need microwave preparation (soups, pasta, risotto, etc.).

I hope that helps!
TwistyRoads
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank TwistyRoads for this useful post:
  #29  
Old 01.11.2015, 09:11
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: here
Posts: 3,534
Groaned at 51 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 3,548 Times in 1,804 Posts
glowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond reputeglowjupiter has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

Quote:
View Post
I travel for work, and I have been dining alone for years (also with friends and co-workers ☺Ö but alone many, many, times). Iím from the US, and I do not speak German. The first observation Iíll offer is that dining alone when you do not speak the local language is quite isolating. In the US, I can chat up the bartender, or eavesdrop on the conversations around me, or at least follow whatever is on the TV in the bar. So while I enjoy dining alone in Zurich and people watching, I always bring an iPhone or iPad because itís not easy for me to engage with the broader environment. With that said, here are my suggestions:

- Any major business hotel with a restaurant/bar will usually have people eating alone. I like to sit at the bar, as it is more likely to find another English speaker. My favorites are the Park Hyatt and the Marriott. The burger at the Park Hyatt is very good, but expensive.
- Vapiano. Because everyone orders individually and then picks their own seat, you donít have to ask for ďa table for one, pleaseĒ, and you donít really stand out as alone.
- Hiltl. (Vegetarian) If you do the buffet, and sit in the bar section, itís pretty good for solo dining. You can choose to people watch or sit along the window and watch outside. Also a good option for Sundays.
- Tibits. (Vegetarian). Similar to Hiltl, not quite as good, but also not quite as expensive. But easy solo window seating.
- Au Gratin / News Bar. A good option if you are tired of super quiet Swiss restaurants and just want some noise. The will let you sit at News Bar and order from the Au Gratin restaurant upstairs. Or you can sit at a table upstairs and get a table on the edge of the balconyÖ you still get the noisy atmosphere, but donít have the bar crowd to deal with.
- Paddy Reillys. Decent Irish pub food, and a boisterous sports fan base mostly from the UK and Ireland from my experience. But at least itís loud in English!
- Street sausage. When the weather is nice, you can get a bratwurst from the outside vender on the Bellevue side of the lake (or the Sternen Grill on the other side of Bellevueplatz, a local favorite) and sit on the side of the lake, people watch, swan watch, enjoy the sun, etc. If the weather is not nice enough to eat outside, you can get a sausage or pretzel sandwich in HB and find a bench and people watch for a while. My favorite is the chiliwurst sausage from the Buffet Express open grill right in the middle of the main floor.

And finally, if you donít really want to go out, the major markets (Coop, Migros) have a good selection of pre-packaged meals for one. Some donít need any preparation at all (salads, pasta salads, etc.) and some just need microwave preparation (soups, pasta, risotto, etc.).

I hope that helps!
TwistyRoads
Nice first post. Welcome to the forum.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank glowjupiter for this useful post:
  #30  
Old 01.11.2015, 09:17
slammer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Lummerland
Posts: 3,653
Groaned at 79 Times in 58 Posts
Thanked 5,767 Times in 2,126 Posts
slammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

I wonder what happens when you get two CHians locked in a stare?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank slammer for this useful post:
  #31  
Old 01.11.2015, 12:01
misaluana's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: bern and uk mostly
Posts: 254
Groaned at 61 Times in 28 Posts
Thanked 40 Times in 28 Posts
misaluana is considered unworthymisaluana is considered unworthymisaluana is considered unworthymisaluana is considered unworthy
Re: Dining alone

Wow wish I had the confidence to eat alone . I was told once by a therapist that if people are staring at you eating alone confidently .. They stare because they are sort of jealous because they can't eat alone and they need to be around other people all the time . They won't ever let them be seen alive eating alone with the fear of feeling lonely or being judged by others for being alone .
And I thought about that . I suffer from social phobia and when I see people eating Alone I don't feel sorry for them because they are alone but I notice how confident they are and they don't need anyone to be with them . I admire that and feel a sense of jealousy
I need to learn to eat alone as my hands shake and I can barely use a fork

Also she told me that I may have higher stage of anxiety but that nearly every human being has a little bit of insecurity especially when eating alone unless they are used to it as a routine Like business people for eg.


So do you ever ask yourselves why do you barely see anyone eating Alone?!?!
Ask yourselves that

majority of people you see in restaurants are never alone never ..


The answer is not because they have tons of friends

Last edited by misaluana; 01.11.2015 at 12:28.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 01.11.2015, 13:14
VFR on top's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 713
Groaned at 19 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 1,526 Times in 547 Posts
VFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond reputeVFR on top has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

Quote:
View Post
Were you the guy in Migros, Les Portes, Nyon yesterday around 14.30 with two very "lively" children, who persistently left your shopping cart in the middle of the aisle whenever you took an article off the shelf, thus blocking everyone who wanted to pass you?
You mean like most stores in Europe?
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 01.11.2015, 13:27
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 11,472
Groaned at 246 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,326 Times in 5,676 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

Quote:
View Post
Lol lol too funny I didn't have a smart phone 18 yrs ago thank god. Ok this will probably go off topic sorry, but it pees me off nowadays everyone's on there phones even when we have family dinners no one hardly talks it's tap tap tap drives me mad. What bloody happened to talking at the dinner table, or ringing a friend to talk I miss that. Everyone I know is texting I am beginning to hate it my husband as even stopped ringing me he texts me WTF Bring back the good old days where people talked to each other
I was about to say, I see many couples now eating but both on their phones, that eating alone with the phone is pretty much the same experience now :P
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #34  
Old 01.11.2015, 14:31
An Expat Wife's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Aargau
Posts: 209
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 178 Times in 93 Posts
An Expat Wife has made some interesting contributions
Re: Dining alone

I used to travel a lot for work and became used to eating out alone at quite an early age, mid twenties.. now I tag along on my husband's business trips and I eat out alone when he is at client dinners. Sometimes I chat to the waiter like when I'm in NYC, but sometimes I just read my book as there is no conversation in places like Tokyo. I've really never put too much thought into it, I just go out as room service is such a miserable option....

My husband travels a lot and I'm home in CH alone often. I still go out alone as I just like the variety. I love Schni-Po (however you spell it) but I don't cook fried food at home so I eat this in a local restaurant. The kind that still has a stammtisch for the old guys.
I live between Baden and Zurich and at first everyone in the restaurant stared. The waitress took ages to bring a menu because she assumed I was still waiting for someone. The first time was a bit odd but I refused to be beaten and continued to visit and now they are pretty much used to me... well at least the staff are and when I sit down they bring me a Zweierli of Fechy... In fact the waitress has recently started waving when I walk past...
Customers sometimes stare but I smile and say Gruetzi and then they pretty much ignore me. Or maybe they don't... I'm usually reading my book and so don't really care.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank An Expat Wife for this useful post:
  #35  
Old 01.11.2015, 14:43
Deep Purple's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: England
Posts: 5,145
Groaned at 15 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 5,006 Times in 2,455 Posts
Deep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond reputeDeep Purple has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

One idea for dining alone is to tell the restaurant that you are looking for somewhere special to bring a partner/clients etc. and want to try the place first. That should guarantee you good treatment
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 01.11.2015, 15:03
gata's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Geneva
Posts: 3,509
Groaned at 72 Times in 52 Posts
Thanked 3,129 Times in 1,484 Posts
gata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond reputegata has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

Quote:
View Post
Wow wish I had the confidence to eat alone . I was told once by a therapist that if people are staring at you eating alone confidently .. They stare because they are sort of jealous because they can't eat alone and they need to be around other people all the time . They won't ever let them be seen alive eating alone with the fear of feeling lonely or being judged by others for being alone .
And I thought about that . I suffer from social phobia and when I see people eating Alone I don't feel sorry for them because they are alone but I notice how confident they are and they don't need anyone to be with them . I admire that and feel a sense of jealousy
I need to learn to eat alone as my hands shake and I can barely use a fork

Also she told me that I may have higher stage of anxiety but that nearly every human being has a little bit of insecurity especially when eating alone unless they are used to it as a routine Like business people for eg.


So do you ever ask yourselves why do you barely see anyone eating Alone?!?!
Ask yourselves that

majority of people you see in restaurants are never alone never ..


The answer is not because they have tons of friends
Sometimes you eat alone because the choice is either eat alone or go hungry. Not because you are some superconfident superhero.

Where i come from, people dining alone are seen as loosers. The first time i did that here i was a bit nervous. But then i thought, well, nobody knows me here. People have better things to do than stare at me and if they do so what? I dont know them so what they think doesnt matter. Now if im not in the mood to cook and i cant find anybody to join me, i just go out by myself. Me and a good book. Perfect!
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 01.11.2015, 15:27
speakeron's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 728
Groaned at 24 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 645 Times in 319 Posts
speakeron has a reputation beyond reputespeakeron has a reputation beyond reputespeakeron has a reputation beyond reputespeakeron has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

This world has lots of people in it who are either newly-arrived at a place or passing through. They tend to be in metropolitan areas with high economic activity; criteria met by the big Swiss cities.

If you haven't seen them in restaurants, that's probably because they're at the hotel restaurant. (And there's a tip for you: nobody bats an eyelid if you're eating alone in a hotel restaurant). Some though, will try to get away from the hotel to experience a more local culture.

I spent a couple of years consulting with one of those companies so massive they risk imploding into a black hole and spent many an evening eating solo in some distant city. I tried normally to get away from the hotel when eating. Whether anybody noticed, I can't say since I was glued to the laptop mostly (modern version of the paperback book and now, of course we can swap a tablet in).

Just last week I noticed a solo diner in a restaurant we often use for lunch. He sounded like a local and didn't look any more odd than somebody sitting at the bar in a pub.

TL;DR: don't worry about it. Everybody's in their own world anyway and doesn't really care about you.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 01.11.2015, 15:41
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 880
Groaned at 19 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 561 Times in 347 Posts
Meerkat33 is considered knowledgeableMeerkat33 is considered knowledgeableMeerkat33 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Dining alone

dress like a journalist and take notes while eating, people will think you are a reviewer.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Meerkat33 for this useful post:
  #39  
Old 01.11.2015, 16:02
speakeron's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 728
Groaned at 24 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 645 Times in 319 Posts
speakeron has a reputation beyond reputespeakeron has a reputation beyond reputespeakeron has a reputation beyond reputespeakeron has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

Quote:
View Post
dress like a journalist and take notes while eating, people will think you are a reviewer.
What does a journalist look like?



And, of course, obligatory South Park: "You're Not Yelping" from this current season.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank speakeron for this useful post:
  #40  
Old 01.11.2015, 17:45
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 11,472
Groaned at 246 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,326 Times in 5,676 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dining alone

I actually quite enjoy eating alone. I can concentrate on shovelling food into my mouth as quickly as possible without having the distraction of somebody else there that I have to talk to, or that one person who takes 30 minutes to read the menu and decide what to eat.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Experiences travelling alone Jonesy Travel/day trips/free time 17 22.01.2014 20:41
alone alone alone !:( hanging around langstrasse, hardbrucke, limmat area graszi Daily life 5 08.09.2013 11:26
Cycling alone jamesWtc Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness 20 06.12.2010 13:50
Parenting alone ka pai Family matters/health 21 22.09.2010 22:10
All alone tasharain General off-topic 5 29.06.2008 13:16


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:19.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0