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No, it isn't.

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I guess people have different EQs, eh?
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I work in education myself, and I can take time off, providing I either provide a substitute or agree to work a few extra hours when needed. You can also take 2 hours off, and get a salary cut at the end of the month.
So provide a substitute then, simple problem solved.
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Old 02.11.2015, 21:35
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Re: Rights of a future father

pay for a substitute teacher, then you can take the time off.
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Re: Rights of a future father

Unfortunately, at my school, one does not just pay for a supply teacher.
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It's a great suggestion of course but the supply and demand for appointments in our area is crazy. There is also not much flexibilty on dates (either side of each next monthly scan). They also don't work Saturdays or Wednesday afternoons. To-date, appointments after work hours have been non-existent.

We have 4 scans left, you never know, 1 might be possible after work. I've got my fingers crossed.


Surely there has to be some SLT (senior leadership team) discretion? Have you explored all avenues or was it a flat "No" from the top of the tree? Teachers get a lot of holidays to be sure, but they're fixed. Have you explained your situation to your doctor?
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Re: Rights of a future father

At the risk of going off piste, is arranging and paying for your own substitute teacher really a thing here? I can just see my old Head going for that... How about checks/assurances/accountability? Or is it all on the arranger?


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Melusine - Secondary or Tertiary? If it's the latter and Halc3 is Primary or Secondary, therein lies the difficulty. There's less flexibility there than you may have.

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Unfortunately, at my school, one does not just pay for a supply teacher.
I'm sorry to say that this line reminded me of Boromir.
"One does not simply walk into Mordor!"

On a serious note, have your employers given you any set/list of circumstances under which you CAN attend appointments with your wife?
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Re: Rights of a future father

What about asking the doctor to record parts of the ultrasound scan on a DVD? If his equipment is relatively new, the technical capability to produce video clips should be available. You might get charged extra, of course, but it seems like a reasonable compromise.

Or just book an appointment at a more convenient time, next time? So that you don't have to miss work?
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Re: Rights of a future father

Time off for a doctor's appointment which is not either your own or that of your dependent child is completely at the employer's discretion. It kinda sucks that their reason is "you've already been sick too much" but since they have no obligation to even give you a reason, there's not much you can do.


Agree with Dougal's Breakfast's advice to try and press the ob/gyn practice for a more convenient appointment instead. Maybe they can give you two (excuse me, you three!) their last appointment of the day on a Wednesday afternoon - or whichever afternoon your school normally reserves for staff meetings - and you can unofficially slip out a little early that day. Is that a possibility?


When I was pregnant, my ob/gyn did a scan for us - admittedly on an emergency basis - at 10pm on a Saturday night. She once gave me an early morning appointment at 7am (her normal office hours start at 8) because I needed to leave the house together with my husband, to have his help getting down to the train station.

What I'm saying is, flexibility exists - the posted office hours are the hours they'd like to work, not the only hours they are ever under any circumstances prepared to work. By not advertising the possibility up front, they reserve it for cases where it is really needed.
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At the risk of going off piste, is arranging and paying for your own substitute teacher really a thing here? I can just see my old Head going for that... How about checks/assurances/accountability? Or is it all on the arranger?


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Melusine - Secondary or Tertiary? If it's the latter and Halc3 is Primary or Secondary, therein lies the difficulty. There's less flexibility there than you may have.
Secondary. Public school.
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Public like UK Public School (i.e Private) or Public as in State?
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Public like UK Public School (i.e Private) or Public as in State?
State. I don't know anybody outside the United Kingdom who would use public to refer to private schools as the Brits do.
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Public like UK Public School (i.e Private) or Public as in State?
As in state.
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Re: Rights of a future father

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I know - the Public/Private thing is ridiculous. I was just wondering because while I can perhaps see where a Private school would have different substitute teacher rules, it wouldn't occur to me that you could do the same at a State one. I did 10 years at a UK State school and supply teachers were handled separately - teachers had no input (other than to occasionally recommend someone they may have worked with in the past if a name cropped up in the staffroom!)


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Re: Rights of a future father

if really, really important: find a private clinic that does a scan on a Saturday and pay it from your own pocket.
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Re: Rights of a future father

I am Primary in the private sector. A whole different ball game. Would make a good thread too though.

Is there any other way of describing education systems, other than the Great British way ? ;-)
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I am Primary in the private sector. A whole different ball game. Would make a good thread too though.

Is there any other way of describing education systems, other than the Great British way ? ;-)
Switzerland, the only country in the world where it's better to work in a state school than in a private one!
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Re: Rights of a future father

I still think it's pretty scan-dolous the way I've been treated but it's been interesting to read the reactions of other forum goers.

Thanks all for the suggestions
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I am Primary in the private sector. A whole different ball game. Would make a good thread too though.

Is there any other way of describing education systems, other than the Great British way ? ;-)


Apologies, it's the only educational vocab I have .


On a serious note, I see your difficulty. Private schools have their own internal logic, don't they. That having been said it seems to be a universal truth that school leaders like their teachers to be in the classrooms rather than elsewhere - conveniently forgetting that they are people too who don't actually sleep in their classrooms and snack on exercise books!


I hope you can reschedule your next scan - I think the advice about getting a private "rematch" is a good one.


All the best,


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Re: Rights of a future father

Duly noted, Melusine! (sorry I can't find an acute accent!)


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