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Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

New laws "BPF" and "NDG" to extend data retention and enable state surveillance

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Switzerland's two chambers are in the process of passing a law that makes it easy for the government to spy on its own citizens (via cable taps at the border) as well as on anyone else via forced storage of connection metadata (data retention) -- this is currently already done for email but will be expanded to other media. This means that in future, all people will be under surveillance, whether they are suspects of a crime or not.
ISPs, telcos and IT companies will have to pay out of their own pocket for storing this metadata for the government. This is already the case today, but will be more expensive in future due to the larger amount of data that needs to be stored, and the longer retention time (12 months vs. today's 6). While the government reimburses a small amount of this cost, it doesn't nearly cover the full amount.
State trojans will be legitimized and the government grants itself the right to plant listening software on your devices at home (TVs, tablets, mobile phones), thereby enabling remote wiretapping of encrypted communication. They also give the OK to remotely search through files on your computer. Trojans may be bought on the black market, thus encouraging organized crime.
Previously, warrants were required and had to be granted by a judge to do this. Warrants are still required for physically searching a person's home, but searching through a person's computer, tapping into their webcam feed and microphone etc. will be possible on pure suspicion.
Also, the state is granting itself more surveillance privileges even though all the surveillance we need is currently already taken care of by the Office of the Attorney General and the cantonal police units. It is not necessary to empower a third entity in the same way.
Lastly, if you run e.g. a forum, chat server, WLAN, your own email server on Swiss soil, even if you are doing this privately and not for profit, you are required to rat on any other forum users and provide the state with metadata on that user, under threat of a fine of up to 100,000 Swiss francs for non-compliance. Whether "compliance" would also mean to enable a government wiretap on your private hardware if you are unable to store and provide this metadata is unclear.
One of the reasons Switzerland is doing this is that they want to collect data to barter with, to swap with e.g. the NSA or GCHQ if necessary.
The law is an extension of the "Nachrichtendienstgesetz" (NDG), or intelligence law.
Why could this be problematic?

Counter-arguments in German, counter-arguments in French, counter-arguments in Italian.
There is some English coverage by Tutanota. Note that Tutanota is in Germany, not Switzerland. Tutanota refers to "BPF" here, which is the name of a law that forms the base for the changes to the NDG.
If that wasn't bad enough, the Swiss intelligence agency in the past has made the news several times due to their crass incompetence (Google-translated news article).
What can be done against this?

The law has already passed, it will be brought into legislation in spring, 2016.
The only thing that can be done against this at this point is to motivate your Swiss friends to sign the referendum. It's easy and doesn't cost anything, postage is taken care of by the organizers.
Note that if the referendum is successful, that doesn't mean the law is stopped. It only means that the Swiss people will have to vote on this. And if they agree to be spied on and the proponents of the law do a good job of fearmongering and marketing, the law may still pass.
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Re: Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

Please read the full text from https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/com...citizens_easy/
as I have forgotten to include the last remaining crucial links. I am sorry if the above is a repost, I just read it and I had to post it

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Re: Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

Re: supposed uselessness of Swiss intelligence service. Maybe it's true, more probably it simply reflects the same PR orientation as Swiss federal police. It's common here for a major drug bust or even a foiled bomb plot to be attributed by a police spokesman to "information discovered during a random traffic stop". The idea is that it's better to forgo public credit than to risk revealing any idea of your sources or capabilities. Don't know for a fact but I would certainly not be surprised if Swiss intelligence operates on the same principles.
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Re: Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

From "Narcos", the documentary about Pablo Escobar: "These days the American government knows all about you. They know who you are, where you are, and they even know who you're f...ing"

If you visit an Internet cafe and visit 5 of your favourite websites, they already know who's sitting at that computer.

Think you can hide by using a VPN? Think again. Who do you think owns these VPNs with their promises of "we keep no logs"?

Ever wonder why your modem/router data transmission light is flickering even when you are not surfing the net? Everything on your hard disks is being read and stored.

Think you are having a private conversation? Your computer might be listening, even filming, and transmitting it to the spies in the skys.

OK, I know this all sounds a bit paranoid, so here's the reality check. They are not really interested if you are watching porn, or shagging your brother's wife. They are not even laughing at your perversions. They are just quietly storing away everything you ever did for future use. The data is not yet in a single repository. It's in millions of repositories around the world.

Gathering everything about you into one place would be an almost impossible task - at least it would be with today's computing power. In the future there will be more computing power. Today's data will be gathered, analysed, processed, and organised in a way that pleases those in power. They will know more about your life than you know yourself. The holders of the data will effectively rule the world. They will bring down presidents.

If you are 19 years old and planning to be president, you'd better hope your friends aren't discussing the night you got drunk, or that fat ugly bird you went home with. If there's a computer in your bedroom, cover up the camera and microphone. Your future life is in their hands.
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Re: Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

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... They are not really interested if you are watching porn.......
Phew!
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Re: Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

Does anybody still really think they aren't doing this since a long time anyway ?
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Re: Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

Yes, very interesting along with the fact that hacker groups are watching them.... and they have a lot more to lose than us. The more government bodies up the anti, the more they will be discovered for the shit they do (far worse than what most of us do)... so no worries!
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Re: Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

I came across an article in Washington's blog and it is a real Mind Blower. It concerns the US mainly but according to what "vribium" describes it it will soon be everywhere:


"The Government Is Spying On Us Through Our Computers, Phones, Cars, Buses, Streetlights, At Airports And On The Street, Via Mobile Scanners And Drones, Through Our Smart Meters, And In Many Other Ways."


Perhaps in a way it will prevent a lot of crime, irregularities, etc. but living like this won't be fun at all. Poor ordinary humans!!!


Link: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...ther-ways.html
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Re: Switzerland to make surveillance of citizens easy, metadata storage mandatory

I was staying in Paddington at the weekend, I got talking to a woman sitting outside a cafe after asking her directions to a good Indian restaurant. She told me she was 'working' in Paddington since she was 16 (she was 37), I asked her if ever she felt it was dangerous. She said not all in the last few years, there was little crime and even those up to the rackets didn't go over the top because of CCTV.

All central areas with the most CCTV prevented crime in the area on a mammoth scale as everybody everywhere was being watched. Some crimes in this respect, were tolerated to a degree because only strangers in the area were under any degree of suspicion.
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Does anybody still really think they aren't doing this since a long time anyway ?
No. But the fact they are passing the laws means there is some major change taking effect. Think about it, if they were doing this already, why would they need to pass all these new laws now? The reason is most likely, they want to increment the changes and institutionalize the mass surveillance to the point it becomes the status quo, at which point it will be difficult if not impossible to reverse.
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No. But the fact they are passing the laws means there is some major change taking effect. Think about it, if they were doing this already, why would they need to pass all these new laws now? The reason is most likely, they want to increment the changes and institutionalize the mass surveillance to the point it becomes the status quo, at which point it will be difficult if not impossible to reverse.
To avoid costly and timely lawsuits, they are now fitting the laws around their needs
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