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Old 20.11.2015, 15:28
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Re: Train etiquette

I once got on a tram and a guy on crutches stood up to let me sit down. Despite my protests, he wouldn't retake his seat.

I'm not that bloody old!
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Old 20.11.2015, 15:46
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Re: Train etiquette

It only happened here, that I was pushed around heavily pregnant by people in public transport who wanted to get the seat ahead of me. And I wasn't a slow duck nor too timid to ask, either. So no, it doesn't happen everywhere. It's a special type of redneck-ism.

Once I asked for a seat one of those hillbillies who had just sat after he pushed me, and accidently dropped my textbook loaded briefcase on his sitting crotch. Clumsy preggo girls, ugh.

By the way, CH has apparently unusually high number of premies, due to a combination of having kids late in life - and - working till the very moment of delivery (trying to save the 4 mo maternity). I don't suppose that would be a widely broadcast info to the regular public, but maybe people could have some empathy for expecting moms..The stats I heard, where was it, WRS, Health Matters, a few years back.
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Old 20.11.2015, 17:01
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There's no such thing as "train etiquette" in Switzerland.
There is - outside the hours of 6-8am and 5-8pm. Inside those hours it's all out warfare, and every man for himself.
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Old 20.11.2015, 17:24
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No, there are considerate and inconsiderate people here as much as anywhere else.
Happened to me in Germany and in Switzerland too as I was pregnant, so yeah that happens everywhere.Or to be more precise it could happen everywhere...
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Old 20.11.2015, 17:26
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I was taking the the train home on my normal route and it wasn't crowded. I was sitting up stairs in the first set of seats(these 4 seater seats) on the left. I hear something coming up the stairs steadily and loudly(couldnt see, I was facing away) and then it wanted to sit next to me. It was a woman with a broken foot and crutches! I smiled and moved my bag for her to sit and said "natuerlich" being a bit startled by her injury.

I'm not startled by her but from the fact that she had walked all the way up the stairs to the place where I was sitting and no one even bothered to give up their seat for a woman with a broken foot and crutches! She was huffing and puffing and seemed relived she could finally sit down. Behind me were a group of men in their 30's chatting away, I'm sure they saw the woman! The people sitting in the seats below saw her too I'm sure and could've gotten up. Sadly this is not the first time I have seeing such things and it shouldn't surprise me being in Switzerland.

Do y'all find that sort of thing normal around here? Perhaps I'm an old fashioned woman myself and I give up my seats for the elderly, pregnant women, and disabled.

People with some decent behaviour do as you did. But those behind you possibly were the same five banker types as I had on tram 7 who when an important announcement came simply chattered more loudly than before
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Old 20.11.2015, 18:22
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At least 25% of the population are foreigners, on average one per coach. Half of them women so on average one foreign woman in every other coach. Why did none of them get up?

If generalization didn't exist it would definitely need to be invented even if only for a certain kind of people.
In my own experience, I see women giving up their seats more often than men.
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There's no such thing as "train etiquette" in Switzerland.
But there sure used to be, when I was growing up there in the 40s.
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Re: Train etiquette

My experience hobbling around with a cane:

Folks age 50+ will generally offer their seat, without being asked.

If outside Zürich city limits, teenage boys will offer their seats, without being asked.

Young men in Swiss Army uniforms tend to jump up and offer you a seat and ask if they can help you getting off.


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Before she got to you, she'd kicked 3 young bears out of their seats, tried them out and decided she did not like them. She then moved upstairs, sat next to you and pinched a mouthful of your Muesli while chatting to you and stating her name. Goldilocks.

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Old 20.11.2015, 18:57
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In my own experience, I see women giving up their seats more often than men.
If you look like your avatar, you can count on me jumping up and giving you my seat !
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Old 20.11.2015, 19:13
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But there sure used to be, when I was growing up there in the 40s.
I believe part of the problem is that we are so modern now days. Roles of genders, what is polite and impolite and what is normal is changing. I don't like it for the MOST part.

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Re: Train etiquette

By the way, it has happened with me in more than one opportunity that when offering a seat to someone this person refuses and I feel like being un polite at the end.
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Switzerland is the only place where if you're the only person in a carriage someone will come and sit right in front of you! Just like no matter where you stand on a platform someone will bump into you even if you're the only people there!
.......or stand next to you and smoke..... this happens to me a lot. I usually curse loud enough for the person to hear and move away. I'm done with being quite about it.
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Old 21.11.2015, 11:44
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Re: Train etiquette

I would've gotten up but was too busy looking a cat videos on my phone...
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Re: Train etiquette

Unfortunately etiquette of any kind is slowly dying out and it has little to do with gender or age or even your physical state.

I often take note of how many people are on their phones while boarding, exiting or even just sitting on the trains and most of the time they have earphones in too.

It is not that they have no manners or etiquette, the problem is that most of the time they are in their own world and do not even register what is happening around them.

Technology can build a civilisation but destroy a culture.
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Old 21.11.2015, 12:33
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.......or stand next to you and smoke..... this happens to me a lot. I usually curse loud enough for the person to hear and move away. I'm done with being quite about it.

Smoking on S-bahns and buses and Trams is PROHIBITED
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Technology can build a civilisation but destroy a culture.
A lot of truth in that.
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Old 21.11.2015, 13:01
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Unfortunately etiquette of any kind is slowly dying out and it has little to do with gender or age or even your physical state.

I often take note of how many people are on their phones while boarding, exiting or even just sitting on the trains and most of the time they have earphones in too.

It is not that they have no manners or etiquette, the problem is that most of the time they are in their own world and do not even register what is happening around them.

Technology can build a civilisation but destroy a culture.
Before I had a phone, I buried my nose in a book. Long before the technology was available, I wished to avoid contact with fellow travellers.

I don't think technology can be blamed for that.
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If outside Zürich city limits, teenage boys will offer their seats, without being asked.
More incidences of this happening that otherwise. That grungy/gothic/hoodied teen is more likely to be chivalrous than the suited and booted.
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Re: Train etiquette

i had an interesting experience this weekend.
i got on the ICE to Zurich, and went into the kiddies wagon (similar to the normal wagons, but it has a kids play area in the middle) by accident.
anyways i sat at the very end next to an old lady that was knitting. the wagon wasn't full and even though there were a few kids running around, it didn't bother me.
fast forward to the next stop, and a loud and angry (nanny i think, but could be an older mother) comes in and starts shouting at the old lady across from me. my German is still flawed, but she made a big fuss that this is a wagon for kids and families only. the old lady apologized, packed her half knitted sweater with tools and left...the angry woman sat down with her 2 kids and didn't speak much to me for the rest of the journey except when one of the kids untied my shoelace by climbing under the seats...
anyways i have no idea what that was about, or why she didn't ask me to move, but still...weird Swiss people I tell you...
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