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Re: Train etiquette

Perhaps she realised you wouldn't understand her anyway but hoped you would get the message without her repeating it all. Although I understand what you mean, I have also travelled with youngsters, specially choosing a train with this play area and I wasn't overjoyed to find the seating filled with non-child owners. I know that in your case there was still room there, but once folk get used to the idea that it doesn't really matter, the problem will re-occur. The same applies of course to folk sitting in the seat for the disabled and not getting up immediately when someone who needs the seat gets in. Or folk who put their luggage, prams etc. in the place which is meant for bikes. The cyclist pays for a ticket for the bike and gets sworn at the whole journey for having his bike blocking the aisle.

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On some trains there are two hooks per carriage to hang up bikes. You can see if they are empty as the train comes into the station. Don't kid yourself that this means that you can actually hang your bikes on them though. AFTER you have manoevered the bikes into the carriage through the narrow doorway and up the steep steps, you may find that the actually spot below the empty hooks is blocked by prams, luggage or people. And as you can no longer get out again and find hooks in another carriage without running a high risk of the train going off without you, you are stuck diagonally in the middle of nowhere and EVERYONE trying to get in or out afterwards will moan about you until you reach your destination and wiggle your way out backwards. (The complaints are justifiable enough, in that there really isn't room for bikes to stand there) It doesn't seem to occur to anyone that you are actually in the right and the folk blocking your 'bike' spot are the ones who are in the wrong.
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Old 23.11.2015, 11:02
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Perhaps she realised you wouldn't understand her anyway but hoped you would get the message without her repeating it all. Although I understand what you mean, I have also travelled with youngsters, specially choosing a train with this play area and I wasn't overjoyed to find the seating filled with non-child owners. I know that in your case there was still room there, but once folk get used to the idea that it doesn't really matter, the problem will re-occur. The same applies of course to folk sitting in the seat for the disabled and not getting up immediately when someone who needs the seat gets in. Or folk who put their luggage, prams etc. in the place which is meant for bikes. The cyclist pays for a ticket for the bike and gets sworn at the whole journey for having his bike blocking the aisle.
no, while my german is bad, i can read body and facial expressions pretty well...she was outright hostile towards the old lady, and very neutral towards me...could be cos i was wearing a suit
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no, while my german is bad, i can read body and facial expressions pretty well...
So you understood what she meant, and why she was saying it, but just ignored it?
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So you understood what she meant, and why she was saying it, but just ignored it?
because she wasnt facing me, she was busy shouting at the old lady in front of me...if she turned to face me, or said anything in my direction, i would of reacted...
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Old 23.11.2015, 11:30
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Re: Train etiquette

You know, that reminds me of my swimming kids. "But Mrs. Longbyt, you didn't tell ME I should stack my kick-board neatly. I thought you just meant everyone else should."
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You know, that reminds me of my swimming kids. "But Mrs. Longbyt, you didn't tell ME I should stack my kick-board neatly. I thought you just meant everyone else should."
are you sure you aren't the old lady that was on the train with me shouting
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Old 23.11.2015, 11:33
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are you sure you aren't the old lady that was on the train with me shouting
Not yesterday. I don't usually shout anyway. I have other methods of saying things.
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I was taking the the train home on my normal route and it wasn't crowded. I was sitting up stairs in the first set of seats(these 4 seater seats) on the left. I hear something coming up the stairs steadily and loudly(couldnt see, I was facing away) and then it wanted to sit next to me. It was a woman with a broken foot and crutches! I smiled and moved my bag for her to sit and said "natuerlich" being a bit startled by her injury.

I'm not startled by her but from the fact that she had walked all the way up the stairs to the place where I was sitting and no one even bothered to give up their seat for a woman with a broken foot and crutches! She was huffing and puffing and seemed relived she could finally sit down. Behind me were a group of men in their 30's chatting away, I'm sure they saw the woman! The people sitting in the seats below saw her too I'm sure and could've gotten up. Sadly this is not the first time I have seeing such things and it shouldn't surprise me being in Switzerland.

Do y'all find that sort of thing normal around here? Perhaps I'm an old fashioned woman myself and I give up my seats for the elderly, pregnant women, and disabled.
I'm not trying to reduce your wonderful (and basic) social act.
But I have a bit reaction to the "moved my bag for her"....

In my humble view, it's also train etiquette not to put your bag on an empty seat, especially when the train is busy (as I can interpret in your story).

It's not a storage and it's clearly blocking a seat.
It's not a big deal to ask for sitting there, but you're not the owner and people should not have to ask you for sitting in the public train.

And for the rest of the topic I hate sitting in trains and I always give the seat or help with pram, luggages, etc...
The rest of the topic is full of stereotypes (men vs women, etc...).
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Old 23.11.2015, 13:05
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In my humble view, it's also train etiquette not to put your bag on an empty seat, especially when the train is busy (as I can interpret in your story).
It's not a storage and it's clearly blocking a seat.
It's not a big deal to ask for sitting there, but you're not the owner and people should not have to ask you for sitting in the public train.
I agree entirely. Sure I put my bag beside me if the train is really empty and no-one is still coming into the compartment but at each stop I take it back onto my knee if there is any chance of someone wanting to sit down. And I move it long before they get to where I am sitting. I NEVER wait to be asked. Many people would rather stand than ask for the seat to be cleared.

I think this a very basic problem - with the older generation in particular. They (we!) were expected as children to see if another person needed a seat, a helping hand or whatever. And now we are older, we tend to say "But anyone could see that I wanted to sit down, couldn't manage on my own..." We are not very good at asking and not always gracious in saying thank-you either. After all, we spent enough years on the 'giving' end! Just as Oldies hate asking Social Services for Ergänzungsleistungen (extra financial help) although we may be entitled to it. Now we want to be on the 'getting' end, but deeply resent having to beg for it.
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Re: Train etiquette

It feels like me offering my seat on a bus for an old person. I can tell that no one really cares about others even though they seem to need some help?
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Re: Train etiquette

While we're digressing. What's the etiquette when I sit next to someone on a full train/tram and then free space becomes available?

I know both of us really want me to move to the empty row, but it seems a bit rude to just shift.

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While we're digressing. What's the etiquette when I sit next to someone on a full train/tram and then free space becomes unavailable?

I know both of us really want me to move to the empty row, but it seems a bit rude to just shift.
Tell me about it. If my neighbor moves to an empty seat, should I be relieved or offended?
It's like being on the bus and your stop is right at the end of the line, and you soon realize, so is your neighbour's. Do you remain seated next to them on an otherwise completely empty bus, or shift at the earliest conceivable opportunity?
We're getting into 1st world problem territory here though I fear.
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and then free space becomes unavailable?
you've lost me there.
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While we're digressing. What's the etiquette when I sit next to someone on a full train/tram and then free space becomes unavailable?

I know both of us really want me to move to the empty row, but it seems a bit rude to just shift.
Why is it rude? It seems actually polite to give more space to someone, I always do it.
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Why is it rude? It seems actually polite to give more space to someone, I always do it.
You could always move and give them a disgusted look as you walk away, especially if you've just farted.
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Re: Train etiquette

On a related note: If an S train either starts at or ends that the airport is it kind of reasonable to assume that some people would bring along suitcases. Dear ZVV, why are there no spaces for suitcases on you trains?!

I am the first person who'd put them on a rack to make sure everyone can sit... but there is no rack. The one overhead is so small it does not even fit a normal cabin trolley. (they are one standard size, so don't tell me yours fit. It won't if its the 55cm IATA type...). And yes, I know I can squeeze a sports bag or the like between two back rests, but there is no way a normal travel suitcase fits.

So the last times I was on the train was it totally normal that anyone around me blocked seats with their suitcases. Including me. We blocked four seats with two people, one suitcase and two carry-ons. The elderly Swiss couple next to us tried to block two entire isles with four seats each for the two of them!
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If the free space is unavailable I would stay where I am!
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On a related note: If an S train either starts at or ends that the airport is it kind of reasonable to assume that some people would bring along suitcases. Dear ZVV, why are there no spaces for suitcases on you trains?!

I am the first person who'd put them on a rack to make sure everyone can sit... but there is no rack. The one overhead is so small it does not even fit a normal cabin trolley. (they are one standard size, so don't tell me yours fit. It won't if its the 55cm IATA type...). And yes, I know I can squeeze a sports bag or the like between two back rests, but there is no way a normal travel suitcase fits.

So the last times I was on the train was it totally normal that anyone around me blocked seats with their suitcases. Including me. We blocked four seats with two people, one suitcase and two carry-ons. The elderly Swiss couple next to us tried to block two entire isles with four seats each for the two of them!
Suitcases fit lying down between the backs of the seats, at least on all the S-bahn trains I've been on.
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and then free space becomes unavailable?
you've lost me there.
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If the free space is unavailable I would stay where I am!


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You could always move and give them a disgusted look as you walk away, especially if you've just farted.
Hmm, had egg salad for lunch, may try that tonight
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