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Old 24.11.2015, 16:02
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Thank you all,
I have to return back to my home country next month, so I want to take my children to the christmas market that I have heard that it is the best in France.
At the moment, I'm going to go there. (with our passports.)


Thank you, fudvall. I didn't care about the traffic condition. It might be more important that we need to pay attention to that than terrorists. I'm going to ask the hotel the current situation including snow.


By the way, I'm not a natural worrier. I have got such parsonality since 1995 when I survived Great Hanshin Earthquake. I don't like myself too.
Colmar, Ulm & Nürnberg have nicer Christmas markets IMHO.
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Old 02.12.2015, 00:34
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Re: go to France, or not.

Traveled Zurich - Waldshut Tiengen - Mulhouse - Zurich on Saturday. I haven't noticed any additional measures of security.
Milhouse as good as always, especially the food...delicious
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Old 02.12.2015, 01:27
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Re: go to France, or not.

Friday at the french border to St.Louis (Elsässerstrasse), i have seen 2 french Police men , searching incoming traffic to france.
Haven't seen this before (swiss customs are often there, but french nope).
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Old 02.12.2015, 01:40
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Nah Belgium is probably the safest place to be right now. Any self respecting terrorist urging in Brussels will be long gone off looking for 'easier' targets.
Only the second-rate terrorists. Maybe the first-rate terrorists who are not afraid of a challenge will head to Brussels...
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Re: go to France, or not.

I asked a member of the Federal Police in Germany this same question recently. the answer was that he would be attending the market in his local village but would not be attending any of the larger and more famous markets.

granted, police officials are professionally-trained worriers and scaremongers, but I don't get people who think that asking the question is so silly. especially when talking about locations outside of Switzerland, where security is candidly much less stringent.

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Re: go to France, or not.

The best way to fight terrorism is by refusing to be terrorised.

Go about your life normally. The chance of you being hit by lightning is still higher than ending up in a terrorist attack .
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Old 02.12.2015, 10:25
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especially when talking about locations outside of Switzerland, where security is candidly much less stringent.

Switzerland is not necessarily safer due to higher (stringent) security. Probably more due to its neutral status making it less of a target.

Security will, I imagine, be very stringent in France at xmas markets.

And as others have said the risk of a terrorist incident affecting you in France is very low. It should not affect how you decide to spend you xmas holidays.
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Re: go to France, or not.

... and pickpockets in the crowded markets, as they bump against you. or losing your kids in the crowd. But there's an app for that. Called Glympse - I use it to locate my wife at the Bellevue Christmas markets. Works across Android and Apple
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Re: go to France, or not.

i like how lazy-rationalism is able to reason away the understandable hesitation most people should have by now.

it's like saying: you can blindly cross this road because in the past century only 2 people died and millions crossed.

and then not consider that when you want to cross it's rush hour, icy, foggy and the moment you start crossing a massive truck is on collision course.

but statistically it's really safe to cross! past results are no guarantee for future results.

if i was a terrorist i would go to christmas market in strasbourg. huge crowds, narrow streets, christian holiday and it's not even enjoyable anyway

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Re: go to France, or not.

My parents went to Colmar by train last week - no one at the station border in Basel, no checks on the train, a few police wandering around the Christmas market, no checks of any sort on way back.

A friend went to Bordeaux at the same time and police/military had blocked off all of Rue Sainte-Catherine (main shopping street) and were making everyone take their jackets off, get patted down, and bags searched before they could enter the streets. Same procedure when entering any of the shopping malls.
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Re: go to France, or not.

Personally, I am a lot more concerned about the Channel Tunnel during the Christmas holidays, especially if the UK starts bombing Syria- I have to say.
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Personally, I am a lot more concerned about the Channel Tunnel during the Christmas holidays, especially if the UK starts bombing Syria- I have to say.
I think that's too obvious a target personally. I agree that the UK will be a target especially if they start bombing Syria but I think the terrorists are more likely to go for an easier target with a big impact like they did at the Bataclan theatre.

Security will be tight at the tunnel I imagine. A suicide bomber on a train could be a possibility but security will be tight at the train terminals too. The tunnel is easier to police than a big public event IMO.
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Personally, I am a lot more concerned about the Channel Tunnel during the Christmas holidays, especially if the UK starts bombing Syria- I have to say.
The UK bombing Syria isn't going to make is any more or less a target in the eyes of ISIL. Their terrorist campaigns are propoganda, not strategy - they're hardly going to expand "the caliphate" into western Europe any time soon.
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