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How many Swiss people do you actually know?
Pretty much everyone I know in Switzerland is Swiss.

Hell, I even know people in the US who are Swiss!

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Just like that?


As a "Forum Legend", Jacek, you should know better by now.

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Old 01.12.2015, 09:59
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You don't talk to Tom 1234, you only can listen to Tom 1234.
Everything that Tom (1234) writes is 100% accurate and the gospel according to Tom.
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Old 01.12.2015, 10:08
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Rather than instinctually going on the defensive, please send us recommendations for restaurants which best refute these spurious claims. Maybe we can learn something about absolute truth.
http://www.mottodelgallo.ch/

http://www.santabbondio.ch/

https://www.facebook.com/Osteria-Del...5841803509925/

http://www.grottofigini.ch/

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Old 01.12.2015, 10:20
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Pretty much everyone I know in Switzerland is Swiss.

Hell, I even know people in the US who are Swiss!

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Good for you. I'm pleased. That was directed at someone else though.

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A debate normally starts with one person giving their point of view and someone else giving an opposing point of view and generally, there's some common ground and they meet amiably in the middle.

But, I described Swiss food and supermarkets 'generally' (generally because it's a cultural and historical thing rather than a fad), as dull, uninspiring and a bit like nursery food.
Okay, I expect people to disagree but Urs Max et al absolutely hates anyone making an comment against anything in his beloved Switzerland.
Instead of coming back with a good argument as to why the food is actually really good (it's easy to feed to your kids for example), he either has a go at me or says the food in the U.S. and U.K. is no good.

He refuses to counter my comments with reasons why Swiss food is good.

I was banned the other day as I criticised a person rather than the argument they had in a post I made.
This is against forum rules and that's fair enough but lots of us do it to some extent.

Perhaps Urs Max and Today_Only ought to consider that before they post.

(Today_Only is getting a bit creepy following me around the forum and he wanted to buy something from me just to find out where I lived).
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Re: TIS - This Is Switzerland

Now I want proper Italian food, but I'm in the German part

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Old 01.12.2015, 10:34
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I described Swiss food and supermarkets 'generally' (generally because it's a cultural and historical thing rather than a fad), as dull, uninspiring and a bit like nursery food.
Compared to many places in the US (or Sweden), it's exciting, inspiring, and far from bland.

I would say the same of the UK, but since I haven't been there in 30 years, I won't, as things may have changed for the better (they certainly couldn't have changed for the worse ).

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Old 01.12.2015, 10:49
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He refuses to counter my comments with reasons why Swiss food is good.
And you continual fail to countenance that Swiss food can be good - and there is little point restaurant suggestions being made because if you do visit you may not like it.

I've had plenty of good meals in restaurants in Switzerland but I approach them as Swiss restaurants which serve "Swiss" food - which means, as this time of year, you'll either have game or you'll have game. (Or Cordon Bleu). The measure for me is whether I (my personal opinion) enjoyed the meal or not.

I had some cracking food at a small cantina in Italy in September - it was all fresh and organic and it tasted fantastic - but the Trip Advisor views were split between "Awesome" and "Terrible" simply because the "terrible" reviews failed to understand the concept. The same can be said of ex-pat views on Swiss restaurants - perhaps we want the wine waiter to be quicker to top up our glasses because we drink faster than your average Swiss patron; perhaps we want portions bigger because we expect to take home a doggy-bag; perhaps we expect to see something more exciting than the same 4 main dishes we see in every other "Swiss" restaurant.

The more anyone bitches and moans about a broad topic the less their opinion can be taken seriously.

For example:
I (personal opinion) find sandwiches bought from delis in the US (New York) to be grotesque BECAUSE of the huge amount of filling - mainly sliced meat, which can often be of a poor quality.

Which is mightily different:
All Deli's in the US are disgusting.
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Compared to many places in the US (or Sweden), it's exciting, inspiring, and far from bland.
So where are those places in the U.S. where the food is more bland than here? I'll make sure I'll avoid them as whenever I've been to the U.S, the food has been great but I've always been somewhere down the west side.
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perhaps we want the wine waiter to be quicker to top up our glasses because we drink faster than your average Swiss patron
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So where are those places in the U.S. where the food is more bland than here?
Ohio, Florida, Tennessee, etc.

And my daughter in LA is always asking for stuff from Swiss supermarkets that she can't get there as well.

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And you continual fail to countenance that Swiss food can be good - and there is little point restaurant suggestions being made because if you do visit you may not like it.

I've had plenty of good meals in restaurants in Switzerland but I approach them as Swiss restaurants which serve "Swiss" food - which means, as this time of year, you'll either have game or you'll have game. (Or Cordon Bleu). The measure for me is whether I (my personal opinion) enjoyed the meal or not.
The measure for me is whether I (my personal opinion) enjoyed the meal or not.

I've had some perfectly satisfactory food here in restaurants. Is that okay?

Why should I pretend it's better than that. In my opinion, it's not.

I've had some absolutely bloody fantastic meals in other countries.
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So where are those places in the U.S. where the food is more bland than here? I'll make sure I'll avoid them as whenever I've been to the U.S, the food has been great but I've always been somewhere down the west side.
At a guess where the food is blander.
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I've had some perfectly satisfactory food here in restaurants. Is that okay?

Why should I pretend it's better than that. In my opinion, it's not.

I've had some absolutely bloody fantastic meals in other countries.
Perfectly satisfactory BECAUSE..........
Bloody fantastic BECAUSE..........

I've had arguably the best meal of my life in Switzerland - it was 7 courses of cooking perfection - each dish containing components incredibly well matched and balanced, each requiring incredible skill to conceive and execute.

I've had arguably the worst meal of my life in the US - where the starter was the size of main course - with she seafood swamped in what turned out to be not a "cream" sauce (as per the menu) but warmed "squeezy cheese" topped with 1" thick crumble crust. 1 main course turned up raw (fish) and the other was almost crusted in salt.

Neither experience defines the restaurant culture of the country, region or city.

By not defining your opinion with parameters anyone discussing the point is unable to truly understand your point of view - you become a "Daily Mail reader" poster.

(None of which means there arent times where I become frustrated by the sometime slow service in Swiss restaurants - specifically handing over of the menu or asking whether you want an apero without even seeing the drinks card)
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The measure for me is whether I (my personal opinion) enjoyed the meal or not.

I've had some perfectly satisfactory food here in restaurants. Is that okay?

Why should I pretend it's better than that. In my opinion, it's not.

I've had some absolutely bloody fantastic meals in other countries.
That's the point. In your opinion it's not. But that doesn't mean that others have to agree with you or that they have to try and convince you to the contrary.
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Perfectly satisfactory BECAUSE..........
The food was hot and provided an intake of calories. And was as described on the uninspiring and dull menu.

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Bloody fantastic BECAUSE..........
The food looked bloody fantastic. The food tasted bloody fantastic - and where I could, I went back to the same restaurants again, and again and again.
And I thought about those meals for months or years afterwards with fond memories.

I appreciate that not everyone thinks the same way:

At a campsite in Tuscany in the summer - I was talking to an English couple who lived and worked therefor a holiday company looking after the people staying there.
As they had been there all summer, I asked them for local restaurant recommendations - they said "The pizzas at .... are really big". At this other one, "The view is great". At a third, "there is a micro brewery."

What they didn't mention once was how good the food was. That would have been the first thing I would have thought of if someone wanted a restaurant recommendation.
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Very good food near Zurich:

http://www.loewenbubikon.ch/Restaurant.3.0.html
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Blimey are you lot still blathering on about Swiss food.

This is starting to sound like the Billag threads where a few posters go round and round in circles basically repeating the same things over and over again.
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Any chance of a mod splitting the restaurant talk into its own thread? The original purpose of this thread has been totally lost.
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Blimey are you lot still blathering on about Swiss food.

This is starting to sound like the Billag threads where a few posters go round and round in circles basically repeating the same things over and over again.
People can be passionate about food.

Not sure anyone has any passion for Billag!
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