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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

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Well, at the time, a lot of the stuff I worked on didn't HAVE an operating system. If you'd worked on the Motorola mc68 series you'd know what I mean. Things got a LOT easier.
Some industrial companies still use rather old 15-years old control hardware based on real time operating systems with Motorola DSP 56000 family where Assembler is the main programming language along C and macro language. I worked with one of these few months ago and it was fun
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I worked with one of these few months ago and it was fun


"Fun".... in a _really_ propellorhead kind of a way.
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

I wouldn't worry about general views of EU immigrants. There are so many immigrants here already that I don't think anyone will single out EU immigrants. For the most part, most people I hear from have favorable views of Swedes.

What you need to make sure of if you have come here, is that you are self sufficient and not relying on social help. As long as you're not causing problems, and are a net plus to the country, nobody will really bother you. Sure you may get passive aggressive notes from neighbors, but you already get that in Sweden, right? As you probably already know, most of it will depend on your own attitude about things.

Oh, and the recent EU immigration issue is less about EU individuals and more about immigration in general. Sure, its in the news, but it really isn't something to take personally.
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Old 04.12.2015, 21:50
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I wouldn't worry about general views of EU immigrants. There are so many immigrants here already that I don't think anyone will single out EU immigrants. For the most part, most people I hear from have favorable views of Swedes.

I agree with Phos. Basically if you are intelligent and employed nobody will bother you. Having white skin makes a difference, as does learning one of the languages.


Every now and then someone will launch a diatribe against immigrants... I usually ask (in German) "You mean immigrants.... like me?", at which point a great deal of backpedalling happens.
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I agree with Phos. Basically if you are intelligent and employed nobody will bother you. Having white skin makes a difference, as does learning one of the languages.


Every now and then someone will launch a diatribe against immigrants... I usually ask (in German) "You mean immigrants.... like me?", at which point a great deal of backpedalling happens.
No Swiss would ever tell you f**ck off in face. Which doesn't mean he wouldn't think it.
Many Swiss are most peculiar about foreigners unwilling or unable to the learn the language, and having no clue about neither one of the national languages up from the beginning is not really of help at all.
However, Swedish is not so tremendously different from SchwyzertŁtsch, luckily, so OP can hope.

Btw. they wouldn't care if somebody, Swiss or less, would call the country by its adjective.
It's those brits who go mad with this.

Happily, the latter don't count in Suisse.
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Old 04.12.2015, 22:15
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I start to see the problem, since assembler isn't an operating system!
On the other hand, I certainly havve written operating systems in assembler.

Just saying.

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Old 04.12.2015, 23:06
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

There is only one way to find out if something promising in your field can pan out. You can already do yourself a favour by dong some homework for background check. Unless you know somebody to help with direct hire.

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Afterall Sweden and Switzerland should be compatible climate, mindset and quality-of-life wise. In both you guys will find good work-life balance. Some expats that I knew wouldn't even differentiate between the two
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Assembler or (Assembly language) is a low level programming language used in very first operating systems known as DOS. The language itself, although outdated and replaced by high level modern programming languages, it is still used in some critical software applications e.g. DSPs or embedded systems
Assembler is just a program, not a language. It translates a mnemonic source code into the machine code, i.e. the native and only language of the processor. Assembly language (a.k.a. assembler language) is the mnemonic code incl. its syntax. That's not one specific language but a huge family of partly very different languages, because the mnemonic code and syntax entirely depends on the machine code of the processor type being programmed.
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Old 04.12.2015, 23:25
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Assembler is just a program, not a language. It translates a mnemonic source code into the machine code, i.e. the native and only language of the processor. Assembly language (a.k.a. assembler language) is the mnemonic code incl. its syntax. That's not one specific language but a huge family of partly very different languages, because the mnemonic code and syntax entirely depends on the machine code of the processor type being programmed.
No nit-picking ...

The definition, from my previous post which I bear in mind and always try to show my students is also compatible with: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language

Having said that your definition is more detailed what actual program does with Assembler code to translate it into machine code understandable by particular processor. It can be referred to as common language having similar functions as moves, jumps, shifts left right and etc. depending on x-bit processor. Therefore it can be assumed that experienced programmer familiar with overall convention and structure of the Assembly language is capable to use it with any micro-processor.

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Great answer, thanks.

Well, I offer myself. One for all, all for one (yeah, I learned your motto!)

I am a very knowleage-thirsty and a skilled programmer and system developer. I have devoted and understandng personality, so I don't think I would have a hard time to adapt. And like most swedes, I would call myself pretty humble.

I am 26, so I have money but havent managed to become rich yet if the economy is a important factor.
Although from the UK and not living there now, have you looked at London? They pay for IT gigs is more and more for a 26 year old single guy to do in their free time I'd think.

If I didn't have 2 kids and hate rain I'd be back in London
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However, Swedish is not so tremendously different from SchwyzertŁtsch, luckily, so OP can hope.

Btw. they wouldn't care if somebody, Swiss or less, would call the country by its adjective.
It's those brits who go mad with this.

Happily, the latter don't count in Suisse.

Allemanish and Nordic. Like English and German? :-)
Anyway the finest attitude towards foreigners at its beat.
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And please ...... don't use the word Swiss as a noun, it is always an adjective.... there are Swiss towns, but no towns called Swiss. OK?
Where did the OP use Swiss as a noun? I can't see how he deserved that little lecture.

In any case:

Swiss [swis] noun: a native or inhabitant of Switzerland.

... and of course SWISS, the airline, while not exactly Swiss any more, is also a noun.

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My German friend comes from Bavaria and was unemployed for two years there, before moving here to a well paid IT job with the Swiss government. Just like me, he began working in computers in 1970, and despite long experience in the industry, and excellent skills in the German language, he couldn't find a job there, (and I couldn't find a job here for 3 years). We are both very experienced old men, on the scrap heap at 55 or 60 years old...
Happenstance; I started working in computers in 1963. I was voluntary/compulsory retired when I was 52. Then I found another IT job and was voluntary/compulsory retired when I was 64. Then I switched to freelance where (theoretically) they are not allowed to ask your age (so lying is OK!) and worked until I was 71.

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Yep... "Are you qualified on Windows Server 2016?" "No, but since assembler it would be about the 30th Operating system I would learn it usually takes me about 3 weeks." "Oh, we are looking for qualified people" sigh... "Why don't you just tell me I am too old to my face?"
This happens when HR bulldoze their way into the recruitment process, fail to have the technical competence to understand people's credentials and simply try to tick (so called) relevant boxes!
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

Migrants moaning about Sweden, http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33962670
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Migrants moaning about Sweden, http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33962670
You should hear what they have to say about Noway!

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don't use the word Swiss as a noun, it is always an adjective....
No, it's not.

A Swiss is a person, thus a noun.

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Assembler or (Assembly language) is a low level programming language
No, it's a class of programming language that is a step above machine code.

I still use assembler on several different DSPs and uCs, and no two are alike.

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Assembler or (Assembly language) is a low level programming language used in very first operating systems known as DOS. The language itself, although outdated and replaced by high level modern programming languages, it is still used in some critical software applications e.g. DSPs or embedded systems
I'm well aware, having written a fair bit of MIPS assembly code myself. My statement remains true nonetheless! It would be intelligent not to present your knowledge as though you read about it somewhere when you're interviewing - just as you wouldn't go into an interview and say "I know programming languages like Windows 2013" and expect to be taken seriously. ;-)

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On the other hand, I certainly havve written operating systems in assembler.

Just saying.

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Haven't we all? That's one of the first things you do in a mid-level comp sci degree.

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Hi!

I have been starting thinking about moving to Switzerland. Simply because it seems awesome. A extremly fascinating, decentralized, democratic society.

But hearing about your harsh immigration laws for EU nationals, I'm thinking I'm probably not very wanted for the moment?

What is the general honsest opinion about EU immigrants, especially from Sweden? Would I be better off forgetting about trying to become a Swiss citizen?

I haven't exactly thinking about this for years or even months, but only a few weeks. So what do you think about us, generally? Are there many anti immigration movements?

What are the Swedish stereotypes like? What do you think when you hear somebody is a swede?

I don't speak either french, italian or german but if I would decide to move to Switzerland I will first learn one major language. But there isn't much point in doing that if I couldn't live a good life among you guys, so that's why I amasking.
Are you asking, on an expat forum, if you could live among expats? The vast majority of people on the forum are not Swiss, they are people like you. I hadn't heard of many Swedish stereotypes, but one is starting to form...

Just kidding, it's an awesome country and if you have the skills required for an employer then go for it! At least income tax is a lot less than Sweden...
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

Since you come from land of snow they would ask if you know how to ski, if you do then you are already having a good start with them Joking aside, as some already said, being from "exotic" country helps but language skills help even more.
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