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Old 05.12.2015, 16:21
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

Resentment against the EU as an institution and against its citizens is at an all-time high here. This is reflected in the votes on the MEI and also in the elections a few weeks ago.

If you read the comments on Switzerland's largest newspapers, it becomes clear that idiots have taken over the country. People with a strong aversion against teachers, schools and education in general and all those who have somehow managed to still educate themselves against all odds and get somewhere in life.

My advice to anyone who asks: stay away from this place. If I didn't have a family to feed, I'd leave. And I'm not just saying that. I'm Swiss, grew up here and it pains me greatly to see how this country is slowly destroyed by right wing a**holes who are dumb as s**t and will end up plowing fields alone in the dark once the world has built a fence around this cradle of bigotry and idiocy.
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Old 05.12.2015, 17:38
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

Yeah, Dawiz has a point. It sucks here. Don't come!
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Old 05.12.2015, 17:51
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

I can't see a problem. Since there are at least 300 million people on this planet that cannot tell Sweden from Switzerland, chances are the Swiss will think you're one of them.
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Old 05.12.2015, 17:55
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

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I can't see a problem. Since there are at least 300 million people on this planet that cannot tell Sweden from Switzerland, chances are the Swiss will think you're one of them.
Chances are, the Swiss will believe you're from the Balkans. As anyone who's not Eidgenoss (born here with true Swiss blood and nothing but true Swiss blood in the veins) is, well, from the Balkans and therefore the enemy.
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Chances are, the Swiss will believe you're from the Balkans. As anyone who's not Eidgenoss (born here with true Swiss blood and nothing but true Swiss blood in the veins) is, well, from the Balkans and therefore the enemy.


Not quite accurate. You forgot to mention that anyone from the next village is already highly suspect.
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Old 05.12.2015, 18:50
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I can't see a problem. Since there are at least 300 million people on this planet that cannot tell Sweden from Switzerland, chances are the Swiss will think you're one of them.
However, if said Swiss think the Swede comes from Swaziland, said Swede is screwed.
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Old 05.12.2015, 19:15
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I can't see a problem. Since there are at least 300 million people on this planet that cannot tell Sweden from Switzerland, chances are the Swiss will think you're one of them.
Yes I'm sure it's the Swiss who don't know the difference

(I've travelled for a a few months recently and I cannot count the number of times someone told me, oh I would love to see Switzerland and the other Nordic countries. Well go see the Nordics, but you won't see Switzerland then )

Sorry OT.


To OP, Sbrinz has pretty much summed it up. However, there are pretty much zero restrictions for EU nationals at this point to come here, and you don't even have to have a job for a while (provided you can afford living here without one) - so feel free. Most people won't give a damn where you're from.
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Chances are, the Swiss will believe you're from the Balkans. As anyone who's not Eidgenoss (born here with true Swiss blood and nothing but true Swiss blood in the veins) is, well, from the Balkans and therefore the enemy.
Take this opinion with a grain of salt too. I've found the Swiss to be warm and welcoming. I'm US, of Scandinavian descent, but very clearly not Swiss, but they're friendly enough.
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Allemanish and Nordic. Like English and German? :-)
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Yes, only that it's closer.

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However, if said Swiss think the Swede comes from Swaziland, said Swede is screwed.
Just make him say “äppelskrott” and you’ll see.
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Old 05.12.2015, 21:45
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

We can't always be talking so glowingly about Switzerland to everybody all the time. Before you know, they may all end up wanting to be here. And really, the country is not very large. So that is why.....

Switzerland sucks. Don't even bother! You'll regret it forever.
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If you read the comments on Switzerland's largest newspapers, it becomes clear that idiots have taken over the country. People with a strong aversion against teachers, schools and education in general and all those who have somehow managed to still educate themselves against all odds and get somewhere in life.
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Any idea what is going on in Sweden? - the best articles I have read recently that accurately portray a clear picture of the current situation with regards to EU economic migrants, people fleeing Syria et al. Have been those in Tages Anzeiger and NZZ. The interviewers are asking questions in a way that force those answering to take a few steps back from the situation and not answer based on assumptions of a Swedish point-of-view.

As recently elaborated on in a piece by Karl Ove Krausgard, Sweden is so virtuously and fakely PC, there is no freedom of expression keft, and the repercussions of this are being felt in a very real way as hundreds of thousands seek a future in the land of herring, ham and bad pizza.

I divide my time quite equally between CH and Sweden - I look forward to the balance tipping heavier on the CH side.
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Resentment against the EU as an institution and against its citizens is at an all-time high here. This is reflected in the votes on the MEI and also in the elections a few weeks ago.

If you read the comments on Switzerland's largest newspapers, it becomes clear that idiots have taken over the country. People with a strong aversion against teachers, schools and education in general and all those who have somehow managed to still educate themselves against all odds and get somewhere in life.

My advice to anyone who asks: stay away from this place. If I didn't have a family to feed, I'd leave. And I'm not just saying that. I'm Swiss, grew up here and it pains me greatly to see how this country is slowly destroyed by right wing a**holes who are dumb as s**t and will end up plowing fields alone in the dark once the world has built a fence around this cradle of bigotry and idiocy.
Truly encouraging for someone that was deciding between Luxemburg and Switzerland to move in the months to come (and, til now, lately leaning to Switzerland). I wasn't oblivious to recent trends in Switzerland but it's true that put like that... Good to know anyhow.
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Old 06.12.2015, 03:25
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Re: What are the general swiss views upon EU immigrants (Swedes?

well, if we are going to nit-pick... :P

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Assembler or (Assembly language) is a low level programming language used in very first operating systems known as DOS. The language itself, although outdated and replaced by high level modern programming languages, it is still used in some critical software applications e.g. DSPs or embedded systems
not sure what is meant by "used in very first OS". if you mean the first OSes were written in assembly, then perhaps (ignoring machine code/assembly distinction). though all OSes usually have some elements of assembly in it. note that DOS was not the first OS. this was pre-dated and inspired by CP/M and incidentally, CP/M wasn't written in assembly, but rather a custom higher level language.

assembly isn't really outdated either. there are many different languages suited to different purposes. not unsurprisingly, assembly also has it's uses (low-level programming, hand-tuning for performance, etc.)

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Assembler is just a program, not a language. It translates a mnemonic source code into the machine code, i.e. the native and only language of the processor. Assembly language (a.k.a. assembler language) is the mnemonic code incl. its syntax. That's not one specific language but a huge family of partly very different languages, because the mnemonic code and syntax entirely depends on the machine code of the processor type being programmed.
added to that you also have different syntaxes even for the same architecture. e.g. i learned on intel x86, but there's also at&t syntax.
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But hearing about your harsh immigration laws for EU nationals, I'm thinking I'm probably not very wanted for the moment?
The immigration laws for EU nationals are actually not too bad here. It's the ones for non-EU nationals that are pretty tough.
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What is the general honsest opinion about EU immigrants, especially from Sweden? Would I be better off forgetting about trying to become a Swiss citizen?
I'd forget about it if only because it's far ahead in the future. Unless you become one through marriage, it can take up to 14 years before you have the citizenship ceremony and a lot can happen in that time. The time to only begin to think about it is some time after you get your C (permanent resident) permit.
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What are the Swedish stereotypes like? What do you think when you hear somebody is a swede?
The Swiss seem to have some sort of foreigner hierarchy. Best liked, or least objectionable, are Westerners from wealthier nations. Bonus points if they're mother-tongue English. As a Swede you'll also be fairly exotic as there are few here already, so they won't feel threatened and from a culture which has a reputation for a Protestant work ethic, which will immediately result in a positive prejudice in your favour.

Next are the 'high volume' Europeans - principally Italian, German and French. They'd be in the first category except that there are so many here and that does breed some resentment.

Then come those seen to come from non-problematic nations, typically the developing World or Eastern Europe; India, Thailand, Russia, Brazil and so on. They're not disliked, but have to deal with additional racism and steriotypes lurking under the surface.

Finally, you have those who come from problematic nations - and by that that have reputations here for criminal or otherwise anti-social behaviour, such as Albanians, Kosovars, Serbians, Croatians and (especially in the Romande) sub-Saharan Africans. These are the most disliked.

The higher on the list, the more likely that you'll be accepted almost completely in time. SVP supporters will even go to pains about how the SVP are not against gute ausländers like you...
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My German friend comes from Bavaria and was unemployed for two years there, before moving here to a well paid IT job with the Swiss government. Just like me, he began working in computers in 1970, and despite long experience in the industry, and excellent skills in the German language, he couldn't find a job there, (and I couldn't find a job here for 3 years). We are both very experienced old men, on the scrap heap at 55 or 60 years old...
It's largely because the attitude remains that employing more young developers for less, who are willing to do 80 hour weeks, makes more economic sense than more experienced developers who will be faster, but more expensive and less willing to do overtime.

It IT, you either get into a niche as a programmer or you segway into management, as you get older.
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I can't see a problem. Since there are at least 300 million people on this planet that cannot tell Sweden from Switzerland, chances are the Americans will think you're one of them.
Fixed that for you.
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