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It must be "Alain".... "Danton" is not too bad also... it almost fits in there
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Konuku (as a French speaker your name does make me smile every time I see it ...) I won't speak about the oppresiveness or not of Switzerland- but about the parking. We have a large 4x4 and I have a bad knee- so if someone next to us parks near the line and not in the centre of the parking place- we can't park in the parking place.
Yes, but is that is just because your car is to big...
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

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Compared to the oppressiveness of, say, the UK with it's increasing clamp down on civil liberties, democracy and freedom of speech? Where political correctness has gone mad and Christmas is being re-named and in many areas you can't walk down a street at night without looking behind your back?

I'll take a couple of nosy yet ultimately impotent neighbours (who I can politely tell to sod off without any worries whatsoever) any day of the week. Honestly, the inconsequential **** some people moan about...
Get used to having enemies around you. Impossible to solve that. Desert island with everything you want? Eventualy you will get soft and trivial issues will become big ones. No escape.

Put them in their place and move on. When you loose accept defeat and move forwards.

Let. It. Go.

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I agree.

It is absolutely ridiculous that people cannot park their cars in the middle of the parking place. We have a rule in our apartment building that all cars must be parked with the front facing the wall and the rear exactly aligned to the line of the parking place.

You cannot believe how many people break the rules. I have already written hundreds of post-its but people still continue doing so.

Happy that Lugano is better for that so I consider moving there too.
No it is not rediculous. Sometimes parking straight wont get you out of the parking space. This is europe. Made after cars arrived. Get it?

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Old 11.12.2015, 11:09
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

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Old 11.12.2015, 11:19
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Compared to the oppressiveness of, say, the UK with it's increasing clamp down on civil liberties, democracy and freedom of speech? Where political correctness has gone mad and Christmas is being re-named and in many areas you can't walk down a street at night without looking behind your back?
Indeed. Switzerland is ironically, and increasingly, less 'oppressive' than many Western, in particular Anglophone, nations. There, in the name of the greater good, some oppressed victim minority/majority or whatever we've seen an increase in nanny state policies.

For example, in Ireland, Australia and a few other places if you cohabit for a few years with someone you're basically and automatically married (lite) to them. Don't want to get married? Well don't cohabit, or break up before the prescribed period has elapsed. Should you have the freedom to choose to simply cohabit ? No. The State knows better. And there are an increasing number of such 'protective' laws being introduced.

Switzerland places more responsibility on the individual and the community to regulate itself instead. The downside is that as a result you'll get lots of nosy individuals telling you off and policing their neighbours.

However the upside of such a system is that you have far greater personal freedom legally. Additionally, in a society where people are expected to be responsible for themselves, rather than the State, you'll get less litigation - warning labels on microwaves, telling people that they're not suitable for drying household pets, are not as necessary because the end-user is presumed to be an adult and not some idiotic man/woman-child who cannot take care of themselves without the ever-present helping-hand of the State.

So no, I'd say less oppressive, not more.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

Regarding the OP's observations, I think it varies very much from place to place. In my experience, the "richer" parts of Switzerland tend to be a bit more reserved than the more normal parts - but even in these rich areas there are pockets of humour and friendliness.


It also depends on whether you are - or perceived to be - passing through, or a permanent fixture. Once your face has become known in the kiosk or on the bus or at Migros, you are more likely to receive a smile and a couple of words.


What also confuses newcomers in the German speaking part of Switzerland is the wonderfully dry humour: if you're not accustomed to wry humour delivered with a straight face, then it's easy to imagine that you're being insulted when no offence was intended at all.




Very little of this is about Switzerland, to be fair. The same reserved approach to strangers can be encountered in Gloucestershire or Dorset, the same dry sense of humour in the Black Country or Lancashire. It just depends on what you're used to and what you expect.
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We have a large 4x4 and I have a bad knee- so if someone next to us parks near the line and not in the centre of the parking place- we can't park in the parking place. So yes, asking someone to park centrally in a narrow parking area, makes total sense, here, there, or anywhere. It's not for aesthetics!
That I can understand. From what she said, it wasn't about that. Rather, her neighbours wanted her car to be closer to the wall in front, though it wasn't sticking out at all in back. It just wasn't in the lines as they wanted it to be. Dunno.
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There are 2 types of people when it comes to parking.

Those who can reverse into a parking spot and women.
Three types, you forgot the Maltese...

Fun on a lazy Sunday afternoon is getting the popcorn and watching them try to parallel park.
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Three types, you forgot the Maltese...

Fun on a lazy Sunday afternoon is getting the popcorn and watching them try to parallel park.
When I'm teaching my wife how to try parallel parking on Sunday morning in AG, all neighbour's cars are already gone on Saturday ...
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Three types, you forgot the Maltese...

Fun on a lazy Sunday afternoon is getting the popcorn and watching them try to parallel park.
In Malta the Germans drive on the right, the Brits drive on the left and the Maltese drive in the shade.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

Blanket statements are bound to be meaningless anywhere so no, one cannot say that Switzerland is oppressive. That statement is far too general. One can only speak to one's own experiences in the small subset of 'Switzerland' that one interacts with.

As one might guess from my many posts here, I pretty much live for one thing: rescue work, and my own rescue dogs. My opinion of whether a place is the right or wrong fit for me is pretty much based on whether or not I can give a herd of broken dogs a decent life.

So with that in mind - no, my neighborhood in my little corner of Ausserschwyz is not a place where I have the personal freedom to live the kind of life I wish, nor have I been able to find that place in Switzerland. Yes, there are days when the constant need to walk on eggshells feels pretty oppressive. But I am well aware that I'm the square peg trying to fit into the round hole.

That doesn't mean 'Switzerland is oppressive', it just makes it the wrong place for me.

But the mountains are beautiful.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

@Konuku, where are you from? Just some context on your perspective.
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I'm fascinated by the groans I got already! I am not the one complaining.

I am just repeating what other people have said. I am just curious. My boyfriend refuses to move here because he says he can feel a palpable heaviness or oppression here. Other people had made similar comments. So, I am only trying to see how other people feel.

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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

I love the way we all say its reserved behavior (we are polite aren't we?), quite simply Switzerland is damn uptight. I know because I work for and with some very anally retentive people. Saying that, I am more of a f*&k it that'll do kindof person, especially when it comes to things like DIY or parking a car
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Old 11.12.2015, 12:33
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I love the way we all say its reserved behavior (we are polite aren't we?), quite simply Switzerland is damn uptight. I know because I work for and with some very anally retentive people. Saying that, I am more of a f*&k it that'll do kindof person, especially when it comes to things like DIY or parking a car

No doubt, the Swiss are very exact, and admittedly so. Hence the country is functioning well, right? That is the whole point. Just have to make sure that NooB foreigners don't mess things up.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

"Long time lurker, first time commenter", as they say ...

Ironic this should be my first post as I came to EF looking for "advice" on my situation with my Verwaltung ...

I'm here 2,5 years and am living in the same 1,5 room apartment during that period. Recently a bigger apartment became available in my house and I saw it as a welcome opportunity to get a place with my girlfriend and live somewhere I love in more spacious surroundings. Prompted by the backing of some neighbours I applied for the apartment. I emailed several times, rang numerous times and to date have not received a single response since my first email nearly 3 weeks ago. I'm being ignored outright.

Turns out, however, the lady from the Verwaltung has found time to be chatting about my unsuitability with some of the other neighbours.

Tell me which is more oppressive, that I am unsuitable because:

a) the Verwaltung would prefer a couple or family living in the larger apartment. My neighbour pointed out I would be moving in there with my partner (who just happens also to be female, and which was already explained in the application), the Verwaltungs-lady laughed in reply, "Oh I mean between a man and a woman ..." "Wir wollen keine Frauen-WG..."

or

b) The pressing concern that my walls are not painted white and that it would be such an effort to consider renting the larger apartment to me as I would have to go to the bother of painting my walls ... This seems to be the biggest deal breaker of all!

The result being, I now feel trying to create a life here is becoming more of an uphill battle as you have to justfy yourself and your presence here!
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Old 11.12.2015, 13:13
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

I think the problem here is that you can't sufficiently argue back. Language perhaps? I think for me, things opened up when I learned how to argue back.
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No doubt, the Swiss are very exact, and admittedly so. Hence the country is functioning well, right? That is the whole point. Just have to make sure that NooB foreigners don't mess things up.
NooB foreigners? they are all doctors and engineers!



oh wait, wrong thread.
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Old 11.12.2015, 13:21
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NooB foreigners? they are all doctors and engineers!

oh wait, wrong thread.
And why can't doctors and engineers be a NooB foreigner?
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