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Old 11.12.2015, 13:53
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I think the problem here is that you can't sufficiently argue back. Language perhaps? I think for me, things opened up when I learned how to argue back.
I'm actually not as argumentative in real life as I come across on this forum.

My way, especially with wanabee officialdom such as Verwaltungs, is mostly to pretend to agree with them while offering "improvements" on their ideas that actually turn them into my ideas, or at least meet half way.

Also, it is important to distinuish between the messenger and the person making the decision. So it pointless to argue with, say, the secretary if all she's doing is implementing the orders of her boss. You have to recognize who has the power and who is just pretending (a lot of secertaries in Switzerland are very protective and will pretend to take ownership of the decisons of their bosses). So you have to smell that before you waste too much energy arguing it out with her, and find her boss and have a friendly chat with him directly and suddenly things become possible that seemed so impossible just minutes previously.

I find this works quite well in Switzerland. The Swiss don't like open confrontation as they are very much a consensus based society. If you stick out too much by disagreeing too much you end up getting isolated and acheiving nothing at all. But they like talking about stuff consensually and they like it if you tell them how you fully agree with everything and support it except this one little detail.
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Old 11.12.2015, 15:05
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

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Do any of you feel oppressed here? Or do you have friends or family who don't like visiting because they find the Swiss too "uptight" and "regulated"?
No, but I felt like I need to be more organised than my "natural" me. I never thought I would plan so many things with so much time in advance...including washing my clothes. (not having my own washing machine was the most bizarre thing I encountered so far)
Some people here are very friendly and down to earth, it's simply not fair to generalise.
As for the relatives - I am just a stop (2-3 days) on their way to holidays to or from Italy or France or wherever they happen to be nearby... Can't convince them to spend here a week or two every year.
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Old 11.12.2015, 16:02
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

Our friends and relatives just love coming here- and they love being able to hop from Switzerland to France - sometimes several times in a day. We do tend to generalise about where we live- but must never forget that, as DB says, most countries have huge variations in attitude, culture, etc.

Someone who lives in New York for a few months will make very different generalisations about 'life in the US- to someone who spends the same few months in deepest Alabama, or in San FRan- or in a small Colorado town, etc, etc. Same here, on a smaller scale- and same in the UK. I lived in London in 3 locations, and in an industrial town in Staffs and a very multicultural town in the Midlands- but also spent time in Devon, Norfolk and the Peak District- completely different kettles of fish all.
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Old 11.12.2015, 16:17
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We do tend to generalise about where we live- but must never forget that, as DB says, most countries have huge variations in attitude, culture, etc.
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If they are not the size of Monaco then yes...absolutely.

Just remembered I had a couple of friends who adore the Swiss-German part and would love to live here if they could. (the Swiss are so civilised, so nice, so etc etc is a little bit funny to hear them but I guess when you are a tourist you have your pink tinted glasses on)
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Old 11.12.2015, 16:37
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Compared to the oppressiveness of, say, the UK with it's increasing clamp down on civil liberties, democracy and freedom of speech? Where political correctness has gone mad and Christmas is being re-named and in many areas you can't walk down a street at night without looking behind your back?
I hope this is meant as humour, ironic or trolling
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

Compared to California, yes very much; compared to New Jersey, similar level of rudeness.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

This thread is trying very hard to be "the Friday thread", but it's just not to Olympic standard yet.
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I hope this is meant as humour, ironic or trolling
Nah, I think he just really thinks like that
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I hope this is meant as humour, ironic or trolling
Did he dare to say Jehovah?
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Old 11.12.2015, 17:23
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I'm actually not as argumentative in real life as I come across on this forum.
Neither am I. But as for a breakthrough with living in Switzerland, I kind of slipped into this "F** you" phase at one point. When things kind of got more unpleasant than I wanted, my initial reaction went to, "Well, F** you!". Although I didn't really say it, I only felt it, and you can probably read it. There were a few times I might have flipped a bird at some people somewhere. But that was just a short phase, I assure you. Not something I do, normally. Since then, I simply learned to say "No, thank you". Or just having confidence and poise does cause people to think twice before they hassle you. At most, with some short attempts to hassle, I just give them a "You've got to be kidding" look, and they back up. The point is, you've got to be yourself, you know?
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

Waiting for the tram yesterday in Geneva: young chap on crutches spits twice on the platform, nicely green and slimy.
Typical Genevan old lady tells him that it's not because he's on crutches that he ought to think it acceptable to behave like a pig, and will he be nursing all the kids who will have fallen sick by walking on his filth and bringing the germs back home...


I LOVE Switzerland!
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Compared to the oppressiveness of, say, the UK with it's increasing clamp down on civil liberties, democracy and freedom of speech? Where political correctness has gone mad and Christmas is being re-named and in many areas you can't walk down a street at night without looking behind your back?

Good grief! Where on Earth is this place? Or are you exercising your right to gross generalisation? No wonder you moved.


Scenario: We need a new dog tag for the RufusHound (old one looking a bit worn, we like to be prepared in the Swiss way....). So Mr Rufus goes to our local dog tag engraving chappy (he provides other mythically mysterious services also, including directing me to another shop on the last three occasions I've been in to try and give him some business) who said he would be happy to engrave said dog tag.


Engraver Man: "Yes, no problem. That will be 25 of your Swiss chuffs. MR R: Er, Ok. I only want one, but ok. How long do you need? 10 minutes? 20?


(This was Saturday morning).


Engraver Man: Nope. You can collect on Tuesday.


I guess what I'm saying is that there are rules, there are habits and there are some very interesting ingrained behaviours that make me, as a politically correct, oppressed and terrified (!) Brit shake my head.


For those of you who are interested, you can get a dog tag for a fiver in around 20 minutes in my home town and we still call it Christmas.

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Old 11.12.2015, 19:33
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Konuku (as a French speaker your name does make me smile every time I see it ...) I won't speak about the oppresiveness or not of Switzerland- but about the parking. We have a large 4x4 and I have a bad knee- so if someone next to us parks near the line and not in the centre of the parking place- we can't park in the parking place. So yes, asking someone to park centrally in a narrow parking area, makes total sense, here, there, or anywhere. It's not for aesthetics!

If you feel oppressed, it is a shame, but then you will have to balance it all out and if 'back home' wherever that is, comes on top, or elsewhere for that matter- I wish you Bon Voyage- life's too short to be oppressed to such an extent that you have to park your car carefully, I agree.
For what it's worth, I got a ticket in California once for parking too far from the curb, even though I was within the lines of the parking spot, exactly on the ground that the way would have been too narrow otherwise.

I thought it was bogus and I called to complain/double check because I was indeed parked within the spot, and basically was told off/had to suck it up. Live and learn - my point being, these rules have a reason to be.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

When I lived in CH Full time, I always felt like it was very oppressed. It was so that I felt I was holding my breath all the time, could never breath until I went away on vacation. ALWAYS being watched is quite oppressive.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

I am quite sure if I moved to Alabama, as a Swiss, I'd be watched all the time. Same in Wales, or in North Yorkshire, or Tunbridge Wells.
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I am quite sure if I moved to Alabama, as a Swiss, I'd be watched all the time. Same in Wales, or in North Yorkshire, or Tunbridge Wells.
Have you ever vacationed or lived in the US? We don't "watch" people's every move like it is done regularly in Switzerland. My Swiss husband lived his first 25 years in Basel and then 30 years in California, he never got the same feeling of being "watched" as he does in Switzerland. & even worse, he is speaking the local language, looks like everyone else walking around CH.
As a brown skinned person, I guess I have it worse because there are ALWAYS eyes on me there. No clue why but it's unnerving & annoying after a while.
But I'm writing from my home office in SoCal, so I can't complain too much at the moment. ;o)

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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

Personally I don't mind being watched - I consider it to be aspiration on the watchers part and am therefore quite flattered
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Personally I don't mind being watched - I consider it to be aspiration on the watchers part and am therefore quite flattered
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way. Maybe they just think I'm cute
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

In the "arc lémanique" we have full of french retirees who don't do small talk and that's so sad
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I sort of live in a bubble and also in Ticino which might be considered the most laid back area of Switzerland, so this topic is a bit tricky for me to judge personally.

I've had several conversations with people who live here, as well as those who don't, about the "oppressiveness" of Switzerland. One new friend recounted a story about her former Zurich neighbours insisting that she repark her car which was parked in her own spot. Though it was within the parking lines, it wasn't centered enough within those lines, so they made her move her car.

It seems to have been the straw to break the camel's back to make her move from the Swiss German area.

Do any of you feel oppressed here? Or do you have friends or family who don't like visiting because they find the Swiss too "uptight" and "regulated"?
The only oppressive thing I find is that if I do anything remotely not "average" people have a heart attack. "No, we don't have a TV" --> Judgement/heart attack; "No, we don't have a christmas tree." --> assumption of Satan worship.

Dudes chillax, some people like the simple life of not having gifts or tvs when they have laptops to keep them entertained. People are different, that's something Switzerland hasn't really caught on to in some parts.
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