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"Long time lurker, first time commenter", as they say ...

Ironic this should be my first post as I came to EF looking for "advice" on my situation with my Verwaltung ...

I'm here 2,5 years and am living in the same 1,5 room apartment during that period. Recently a bigger apartment became available in my house and I saw it as a welcome opportunity to get a place with my girlfriend and live somewhere I love in more spacious surroundings. Prompted by the backing of some neighbours I applied for the apartment. I emailed several times, rang numerous times and to date have not received a single response since my first email nearly 3 weeks ago. I'm being ignored outright.

Turns out, however, the lady from the Verwaltung has found time to be chatting about my unsuitability with some of the other neighbours.

Tell me which is more oppressive, that I am unsuitable because:

a) the Verwaltung would prefer a couple or family living in the larger apartment. My neighbour pointed out I would be moving in there with my partner (who just happens also to be female, and which was already explained in the application), the Verwaltungs-lady laughed in reply, "Oh I mean between a man and a woman ..." "Wir wollen keine Frauen-WG..."

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b) The pressing concern that my walls are not painted white and that it would be such an effort to consider renting the larger apartment to me as I would have to go to the bother of painting my walls ... This seems to be the biggest deal breaker of all!

The result being, I now feel trying to create a life here is becoming more of an uphill battle as you have to justfy yourself and your presence here!
Hi, I think that this needs to go into another thread - see you're from Zurich and welcome!

What you're experiencing doesn't necessarily have to do with "Swissness". Are you aware that the Zurich Stadtspresidentin Corine Mauch is living in an established relationship since many years?
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Have you discovered yet why there is this rule, in nearly every underground car park? (clean walls?)

You can find these finicky people everywhere, maybe they are just more visible here. I quite like living with a regimented population, as you know what to expect, and can live your life according to their rules. I know that usually the rubbish truck comes at 13:30 on Tuesday, the Postman at 12:15 every day, and the buses & trains are usually on time. If you need a little excitement, and something to moan about, try living in a poor country.
I find this interesting.
1. My train is usually anywhere between 3-16 mins late every blipping day!
2. Most of my friends (including Swiss) have had to move about a dozen times due to some dispute or the other.
3. Only country (& Zurich particularly) where you're positively blackmailed to buy someone's crappy furniture if you want the actual apartment....

No. I think there's a million things to moan about actually. I don't need to go to a poor country to do that. Not anti-Swiss by any means but really getting quite sick of this perfect image of it. It's far far far from adequate. Leave alone perfect!
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Old 13.12.2015, 23:35
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I find this interesting.
1. My train is usually anywhere between 3-16 mins late every blipping day!
You live in Zurich.
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2. Most of my friends (including Swiss) have had to move about a dozen times due to some dispute or the other.
You live in Zurich.
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3. Only country (& Zurich particularly) where you're positively blackmailed to buy someone's crappy furniture if you want the actual apartment....
You live in Zurich.

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No. I think there's a million things to moan about actually. I don't need to go to a poor country to do that. Not anti-Swiss by any means but really getting quite sick of this perfect image of it. It's far far far from adequate. Leave alone perfect!
You live in Zurich.

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I find this interesting.
1. My train is usually anywhere between 3-16 mins late every blipping day!
2. Most of my friends (including Swiss) have had to move about a dozen times due to some dispute or the other.
3. Only country (& Zurich particularly) where you're positively blackmailed to buy someone's crappy furniture if you want the actual apartment....

No. I think there's a million things to moan about actually. I don't need to go to a poor country to do that. Not anti-Swiss by any means but really getting quite sick of this perfect image of it. It's far far far from adequate. Leave alone perfect!
Years ago I was driving around Europe. When entering Switzerland I was asked to pay toll charge for a year. I told the lady that worked on the border: "In Austria there is an option to pay roads toll for 1 week" ...why you / Switzerland charge for a year?
She replied: If you don't like it sir, go back!
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You live in Zurich.


You live in Zurich.


You live in Zurich.



You live in Zurich.

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Hahaha! You've made me smile for the first time in weeks!
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Old 14.12.2015, 01:37
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Years ago I was driving around Europe. When entering Switzerland I was asked to pay toll charge for a year. I told the lady that worked on the border: "In Austria there is an option to pay roads toll for 1 week" ...why you / Switzerland charge for a year?
She replied: If you don't like it sir, go back!

She called you SIR Do you want me tell you what they say here in Canada
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Old 14.12.2015, 10:11
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Have lived here now since quite a while, and have to say I find it one of the least "uptight" and "regulated" countries I've ever had the pleasure of living in.

The Swiss are their own worst critics - they know when they are over the top - and very often happy to be enlightened to their own shortcomings and / or tunnel-vision, and open to expand their horizon of in-grained thought.
He he, I would love to know which countries are the most uptight and regulated then. I lived in a few European countries and Ch beats them all in these regards. But frankly, I don't mind. I even like rules (up to the point when they don't reach absurdity), it's easier for all of us when everyone is convinced and respects them.
I even managed to make real good friends, and I mean friends friends not just acquaintances with a couple of Swiss, thing that would have never thought of before moving here. I expected the worst from this point of view to be honest, but what a pleasant surprise. I was sure I would spend most of my time with foreigners like me (and was totally at peace with this perspective tbh) and that couldn't be farther from the truth these days.
I don't think the Swiss are their own worst critics though. Not at all, but I found easier than expected to complain to them about things I don't agree with, and yes, they too have their own critical view. Of course, it all depends on whom you are talking to, I am not naive.
Back to OP though... but oppressive? A bit rigid in some ways, conservative if you like it more, but not oppressive. Even if confronted with some petty or ridiculous rules or things, I feel only irritated at worst, amused at best. Oppressed, no, no way. What a funny idea.
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Old 14.12.2015, 10:24
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I'm American but also lived in France for 5 years as well as in London for 10 years.
So this feeling of oppressiveness is subjective and personal. Do you really think it is Switzerland, or just personal frustrations?
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Old 14.12.2015, 10:29
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So this feeling of oppressiveness is subjective and personal. Do you really think it is Switzerland, or just personal frustrations?

Why are you asking the OP? She isn't the one who is feeling oppressed.
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Old 14.12.2015, 10:45
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

I don't know about being oppressed but I definitely feel more obstructed here. It could be the wrong diet though
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Old 14.12.2015, 10:54
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

I guess for anyone who is feeling oppressed. It is psychological and circumstantial. It can happen anywhere and has little to do with the location. I think most feelings of oppression come from other people, commonly from people one has a relationship with.
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I guess for anyone who is feeling oppressed. It is psychological and circumstantial. It can happen anywhere and has little to do with the location. I think most feelings of oppression come from other people, commonly from people one has a relationship with.
It can also come from the weather. Its foggy right now in Zürich and probably between now and April there are going to be lots of foggy or overcast days with very few days of actual sunshine. The weather does oppress people. Statisically there are more suicides in the Winter than in the Summer. I guess if you come from a country with more sunlight, the oppression is even more noticeable. It helps if you get out of it all as often as you can. Go to the mountains for example. There is normally a good chance of finding glorious sunlight there. Or fly somewhere sunny over the weekend.
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Old 14.12.2015, 11:19
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

I've had that too, but didn't really consider it oppression. Maybe Seasonal Affected Disorder. It may be possible to manage by a change of activities.
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I guess for anyone who is feeling oppressed. It is psychological and circumstantial. It can happen anywhere and has little to do with the location. I think most feelings of oppression come from other people, commonly from people one has a relationship with.
True.
How could anyone feel oppressed when they know very well that, after all, they can "get rid" of living in Ch any time they want, they can move to some other place or back home if they really hate it. I take it "oppressed" was not quite the right word, or some people don't really know what "oppressed" means.
I heard people saying they moved from their tiny home town to the big city because they wanted to feel "free"...as living in a place where everyone knows everyone can be overbearing at times. So yes, it can happen anywhere and labelling Switzerland as oppressive is a tad naive IMO.
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True.
How could anyone feel oppressed when they know very well that, after all, they can "get rid" of living in Ch any time they want, they can move to some other place or back home if they really hate it. I take it "oppressed" was not quite the right word, or some people don't really know what "oppressed" means.
I heard people saying they moved from their tiny home town to the big city because they wanted to feel "free"...as living in a place where everyone knows everyone can be overbearing at times. So yes, it can happen anywhere and labelling Switzerland as oppressive is a tad naive IMO.
First it's not that easy to "get rid" of living in CH anytime!
It represents a massive "country" administrative burden, to be done on 2 different countries. Including a very significant risk of financial loss if things are not done correctly (think heavy retirement taxations, etc...). All on top of administrative cost + moving, etc...

Anyway, I think you focus on "oppression by Switzerland" (as a country or government). I have the impression the OP meant something like "Living in Switzerland is oppressive [due to other people's behavior, such as citizen enforcing real and alleged official rules]."

So I think its not being naive here but a bad communication, definition and understanding of the actual problem.
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Years ago I was driving around Europe. When entering Switzerland I was asked to pay toll charge for a year. I told the lady that worked on the border: "In Austria there is an option to pay roads toll for 1 week" ...why you / Switzerland charge for a year?
She replied: If you don't like it sir, go back!
I spend more in toll charges for one DAY in Italy or France, than for a yearly Swiss vignette.

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Anyway, I think you focus on "oppression by Switzerland" (as a country or government). I have the impression the OP meant something like "Living in Switzerland is oppressive [due to other people's behavior, such as citizen enforcing real and alleged official rules]."

So I think its not being naive here but a bad communication, definition and understanding of the actual problem.
In terms of oppression, I would associate the word with countries like Burma or North Korea.

I know of someone who is feeling very oppressed in Switzerland, but its really because she moved next to her mother-in-law. She just hasn't figured out how to deal yet.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

Some very narrow definitions here. "Oppression" has meant "depressing to the spirit" since the 14th century. There is nothing wrong with the OP's use of it in this thread.
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He he, I would love to know which countries are the most uptight and regulated then. I lived in a few European countries and Ch beats them all in these regards. But frankly, I don't mind. I even like rules (up to the point when they don't reach absurdity), it's easier for all of us when everyone is convinced and respects them.
It also depends on what you find important. I was flabbergasted in Norway when we were told we couldn't have our beer outside (it was a glorious day). I believe that in this respect the US is even worse.
Imagine having to wait till you're 21 before you can have a proper drink. Now that is opressive.
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

Quite possible that the weather is affecting how the OP feels. Up here, we have had wall to wall sunshine for weeks, but everytime I've had to drive down into the Valley into fog- I found it really oppressive.

And being long-term unemployed can't help either.
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