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Old 14.12.2015, 13:11
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

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Quite possible that the weather is affecting how the OP feels.

I very much doubt that.


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I sort of live in a bubble and also in Ticino which might be considered the most laid back area of Switzerland, so this topic is a bit tricky for me to judge personally.
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Old 14.12.2015, 13:24
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

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I very much doubt that.
Hey, there are clouds today!

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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

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Hey, there are clouds today!

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Yeah like the first ones in two months...
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

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First it's not that easy to "get rid" of living in CH anytime!
It represents a massive "country" administrative burden, to be done on 2 different countries. Including a very significant risk of financial loss if things are not done correctly (think heavy retirement taxations, etc...). All on top of administrative cost + moving, etc...

Anyway, I think you focus on "oppression by Switzerland" (as a country or government). I have the impression the OP meant something like "Living in Switzerland is oppressive [due to other people's behavior, such as citizen enforcing real and alleged official rules]."

So I think its not being naive here but a bad communication, definition and understanding of the actual problem.
Well I didn't mean the technical aspects of moving, I guess you know that.
I admit that only the thought of having to deal with this administrative burden is dreadful. The point was, if one really feels that awful and wants to move one can do it...C'mon, it can't be that bad.

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I know of someone who is feeling very oppressed in Switzerland, but its really because she moved next to her mother-in-law. She just hasn't figured out how to deal yet.
OK, now that is being naive. Moving next to the m-i-l?
In all fairness, my m-i-l is a very good woman but even so I wouldn't force my luck and try living next door...Less is more, as they say (only applied to relationships).
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Hey, there are clouds today!

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I'm in Zürich Hbf right now, and about to board the train to Locarno, so hopefully it won't rain while I'm there

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Old 14.12.2015, 16:22
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

You know, I really love my life here so far (1.5 years so not that long ), but I really struggle with the fact that I have to cope with all the BS of being a tenant rather than an owner.

I'm honestly most fed up with the concierge of our building policing me and my wife like we are two little children.

This morning my wife almost freaked out because the cleaning lady accused her of making the carpet in front of the elevator dirty "all the time" by bringing in bikes into the elevator. We live on the ground floor....

That stuff is just messed up and not necessary at all.
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Old 14.12.2015, 17:13
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Re: How many people feel Switzerland is oppressive?

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I sort of live in a bubble and also in Ticino which might be considered the most laid back area of Switzerland, so this topic is a bit tricky for me to judge personally.

I've had several conversations with people who live here, as well as those who don't, about the "oppressiveness" of Switzerland. One new friend recounted a story about her former Zurich neighbours insisting that she repark her car which was parked in her own spot. Though it was within the parking lines, it wasn't centered enough within those lines, so they made her move her car.

It seems to have been the straw to break the camel's back to make her move from the Swiss German area.

Do any of you feel oppressed here? Or do you have friends or family who don't like visiting because they find the Swiss too "uptight" and "regulated"?
Interesting.
Just the other day I was recounting to some incredulous italian friends:

a) My dad in the 50s took a car ride, exiting CH from Gandria and the re-entering through Chiasso. (anecdote: on Lake Como ordinary folk were sitting by the road, watching the cars ride by. Nowadays they'd probably hurl stones and insults...)
He had to fill out a form in Lugano and was then held for some hours in Chiasso to be questioned...

b) My dad's brother, who lived in ZH, decided to leave the country (in the 50s) after he discovered that the police had harassed an unmarried woman who lived on his same street, culpable of having had an affair with a married man. Polizeistaat and all that.

So yeas - I suppose that Switzerland was a little bit like old Japan: insular, closed to and wary of outsiders and oppressively disciplined.... i.e.... "swissness"?

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