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When the brightest, most diligent, caring, polite, obedient, etc, - femal students are excluded from school for wanting to wear a small bright colourful scarf- then no wonder.
I'm sorry Odile, I like you and all, but you cannot possibly be that naive. Are you actually serious with that statement?


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Fixed that for you.
Can you post/link a few examples please of verbal and physical attacks on women wearing a headscarf?
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Fixed that for you.
Actually I didn't say that. I used to work a lot in Bradford and was truly shocked by what I witnessed.

Of course verbal and physical abuse against head-scarf wearing Muslims goes on too but are you really 'brainwashed' by your Iman to believe that it's only one-way traffic?
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That is one of the most bizarre interpretations I have ever heard in defense of the question of the veil. These girls are not "wearing a small bright colorful scarf" as adornment. They are, for the most part, wearing drab grey or black cloth over their hair, as dictated to them by their religion (sic) almost as an apology. To be a temptation to men is a sin. Therefore remove the source of the temptation (make women as invisible as possible) and you solve the problem?

Wrong. The koran does not anywhere demand a scarf, nor does it demand any specific colour of clothing, nor does it demand that they are not 'a temptation', nor does it demand their removal from the same space as men. You are talking rubbish concerning a topic you know nothing about. I agree with odile - Exactly what you are doing right now is far more dangerous than a teenage girl wearing a headscarf will ever be.

If society as we know it is not extremely vigilant, the erosion that has already begun will eat away at core values, and things that you, Odile, as a woman, have come to take for granted will disappear. This is not specific to France or Belgium, believe me.

More doom-mongering senseless twaddle. I like how you expect Odile to agree with you because she is a woman and therefore must share your viewpoint. Very condescending.

Switzerland is confronted with exactly the same pressures being exerted all over the Western world. To think otherwise is to turn a blind eye to what is happening. Truly.

Truly laughable interpretation. We've gone from two kids playing the fools, to Switzerland being mere inches from doom

Odile, you are being far from tolerant. You are being deliberately obtuse and attacking anyone who disagrees with you. (Your pet hate is wealthy expats and you have repeatedly attempted to make this thread about that.)
Odile is fine, you're the one trying to derail this thread and make it about Nigel Farage's wet dream, by bringing in the kinds of stupidity you usually have to read the Daily Mail for.
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What a load of nonsensical twaddle.
You have absolutely no grasp of the situation. Your lack of analysis or even basic ability to comprehend is astounding.
The children in many French schools don't have a choice of menu; So ALL the children eat the same (Halal) main course.
Of course I can shop elsewhere, that isn't the point, is it? Try to imagine Migros scaling down their non-Halal section (or is that too much of a difficult intellectual exercise for you?). Don't worry, it'll happen in a few years so you won't have to imagine it, you'll be witnessing it.
This isn't about some schoolboy scuffle. It's about the wider-reaching implications of a pernicious phenomenon that is happening today all over Europe (except you've got your head in the sand and are refusing to see it).
Try reading a little. charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here,
or for those who can read French:
"Dawa" by Julien Suaudeau (ed Laffont) if you can't stomach Houellebecq's "Soumission" (ed Flammarion).
The November attacks were a wake-up call for us here in France. For those of you who were dozing back off to sleep, Zaventem was a reminder. Don't keep hitting the snooze button.
For your kids' sake.
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Odile is fine, you're the one trying to derail this thread and make it about Nigel Farage's wet dream, by bringing in the kinds of stupidity you usually have to read the Daily Mail for.
So how do you think the hand-shaking epsiode should hand been resolved?
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Actually I didn't say that. I used to work a lot in Bradford and was truly shocked by what I witnessed.

Of course verbal and physical abuse against head-scarf wearing Muslims goes on too but are you really 'brainwashed' by your Iman to believe that it's only one-way traffic?
Ahh, so im on the other side to you, so i must be a muslim?

Mistake number one - Im not a muslim. I have no 'Imam' (spelt with two M's). I grew up in a secular house, sorrounded by a secular family. But i like how you assume i must be, because i take a different viewpoint to you.

Mistake number 2 - i never said it doesn't - but today, any woman who wishes to wear a scarf is under far more threat from morons who have a problem with the scarf, rather than the other way.

And one more thing - imams are actually recommending to their congregations that they should not wear scarves in public - out of fear for their safety.
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Ahh, so im on the other side to you, so i must be a muslim?

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And who says I'm on the 'other' side? (whatever you have designated as the sides)?

And what side do you think I am on?
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You have absolutely no grasp of the situation. Your lack of analysis or even basic ability to comprehend is astounding.
The children in many French schools don't have a choice of menu; So ALL the children eat the same (Halal) main course.
Of course I can shop elsewhere, that isn't the point, is it? Try to imagine Migros scaling down their non-Halal section (or is that too much of a difficult intellectual exercise for you?). Don't worry, it'll happen in a few years so you won't have to imagine it, you'll be witnessing it.
This isn't about some schoolboy scuffle. It's about the wider-reaching implications of a pernicious phenomenon that is happening today all over Europe (except you've got your head in the sand and are refusing to see it).
Try reading a little. charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here,
or for those who can read French:
"Dawa" by Julien Suaudeau (ed Laffont) if you can't stomach Houellebecq's "Soumission" (ed Flammarion).
The November attacks were a wake-up call for us here in France. For those of you who were dozing back off to sleep, Zaventem was a reminder. Don't keep hitting the snooze button.
For your kids' sake.
ooh, now i've poked the bear.


1. So, you agree that the school chooses the food, yet you still blame the kids. You are not good at this.
2. Yes, that is the point. You are not forced to shop at Intermarche, nor are Intermarche forced to stock the stuff you want to buy. Get off your entitled high horse. Shocking though this revelation may be, you are able to shop wherever you please. If you dont like Intermarche's offering, stop being a hypocrite and take your money elsewhere.
3.No, it was about a couple of kids who watched a video. Dont make it bigger than it is, because only then it fits with your perverse paranoia.

4. You're absolutely right - two kids misunderstanding a video they watched is, of course, a sure sign that pretty soon, Europe will collapse and the very fabric of society will tear.

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Try Wikislam: Hijab if you are in any doubt about what the Koran actually says.
Verses 7:26, 33:59, 24:31.
Very explicit about wearing a veil/covering a woman's body.

Imo, no woman should have to cover her entire body and be ashamed, "lest she tempt a man".

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So how do you think the hand-shaking epsiode should hand been resolved?
By asking somebody with knowledge of the religion, that the kids can trust, educatingthe kids what they saw in the video was wrong, and that they are allowed to shake hands, and that their religion demands that they show all the respect that they can to their teachers.

I'd also get someone to pint out that, in the koran, the respect one must show to ones teacher is second only to the respect one must show to ones parents.

And i would not have been so foolish to have discussed it with the press.
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So how do you think the hand-shaking epsiode should hand been resolved?
In Switzerland?

By posting anonymous notes on the laundry room door of course. How else?

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By asking somebody with knowledge of the religion, that the kids can trust, educating the kids what they saw in the video was wrong, and that they are allowed to shake hands, and that their religion demands that they show all the respect that they can to their teachers.
And that's the crux of it - there's a broad spectrum in ways the Muslim religion can be interpreted.

They had someone with knowledge of their religion, and who they could trust - namely their father who was Imam (sic) of the local mosque.

So why aren't they shaking hands now?
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There is one big issue about labelling people Muslim and Christian. There are so many degrees and interpretations of these faiths that we largely ignore the majority who practice their religion privately and discreetly and reduce the religion to the fundamentalists.

As a Christian, I have little respect for Christian fundamentalists and find they represent the faith poorly. I've spoken to Muslims who feel the same way about their religious colleagues. Finding a balance between a religious culture, a country's culture and one's own moral beliefs can be daunting. Open minds are called for on all sides. I personally feel this these issues have less to do with religion and more to do with close-minded, stubborn and intolerant people who are using a cause to reinforce their ego issues. You'll find them in all walks of life.

If one is deeply religious and still open-minded, compromises can be found. A poster here mentioned that one of her students put her hand on her breast and bowed her head as a sign of respect when greeting an individual. As a teacher, I would accept that as well.
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1. So, you agree that the school chooses the food, yet you still blame the kids. You are not good at this.
2. Yes, that is the point. You are not forced to shop at Intermarche, nor are Intermarche forced to stock the stuff you want to buy. Get off your entitled high horse. Shocking though this revelation may be, you are able to shop wherever you please. If you dont like Intermarche's offering, stop being a hypocrite and take your money elsewhere.
3.No, it was about a couple of kids who watched a video. Dont make it bigger than it is, because only then it fits with your perverse paranoia.
4. You're absolutely right - two kids misunderstanding a video they watched is, of course, a sure sign that pretty soon, Europe will collapse and the very fabric of society will tear.
Immature and inaccurate responses like yours only point to a total lack of ability to even interpret what it was that I was pointing out:

- as a non-Muslim, I'd like to be able to choose what I eat and what my children eat.
- as a parent, I don't see why my kids should be forced to eat a certain way because a handful of kids don't eat pork (and Jewish kids never imposed Kosher food on entire schools)
- as a citizen I am concerned that obtuse folk such as yourself make this about "a couple of youngsters" (the sons of an imam, apparently) who "stumbled across a video" (which raises the question, what other religious videos did they stumble across?)
-other tenets of the way Islam is being followed in Europe give rise to concern
(although peaceful Muslims are fine and share the same concern)

Fyi, I don't vote in the UK and UKIP is not my cup of tea anyway. Also, unlike you, I don't read the Daily Mail, so I wouldn't know much about their editorial policy, though your vocabulary and level of intellect is clearly more their level.
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"Dawa" by Julien Suaudeau (ed Laffont) if you can't stomach Houellebecq's "Soumission" (ed Flammarion).
The November attacks were a wake-up call for us here in France. For those of you who were dozing back off to sleep, Zaventem was a reminder. Don't keep hitting the snooze button.
For your kids' sake.
Most of the Paris and Brussels terrorists have been 'Muslim' for all of 5 minutes, prior to that many were serving stretches for burglary, drug dealing, fraud etc.. One of the ringleaders (Saleh Abdelsalam) was even running a bar with his brother just a few months before the Paris attacks. The point is, ignorance of their religion, lack of purpose and manipulation by criminals is what seems to drive much of the terrorism we have seen in Europe.

There was an excellent BBC radio documentary on the tactics used by ISIS recruiters, and basically it is to find the weakest, most vulnerable people with little identity and a lot of hate towards the state, and then plant the virus in their brains; Practising Muslims OTOH tend to be much better immunised in knowing the difference between right and wrong.
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There is one big issue about labelling people Muslim and Christian. There are so many degrees and interpretations of these faiths that we largely ignore the majority who practice their religion privately and discreetly and reduce the religion to the fundamentalists.
Not a majority but not an insignificant number:

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Recent ICM poll in the U.K amongst British muslims:

Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole.

Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.


In a series of questions on the terror threat in Britain, 4% said they sympathised with people who took part in suicide bombings (1% said they completely sympathised and 3% said they sympathised to some extent), and 4% said they sympathised with people who committed terrorist actions as a form of political protest generally.
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Try Wikislam: Hijab if you are in any doubt about what the Koran actually says.
Verses 7:26, 33:59, 24:31.
No woman should have to cover her entire body and be ashamed, "lest she tempt a man".
7:26
O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember.

Doesn't sound too controversial. Prioritizes being righteous over dressing a certain way.

33:59
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Doesnt mention anything about covering the entire body, nor about being ashamed.

24:31
And tell the believing women to guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed.

So, dont cover what is necessary to be uncovered (ie, face, hands, whatever is required). Dress modestly, and dont expose your breasts ('adornment') unless there is a reason to. Seems pretty standard, to be honest.
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Most of the Paris and Brussels terrorists have been 'Muslim' for all of 5 minutes, prior to that many were serving stretches for burglary, drug dealing, fraud etc.. One of the ringleaders (Saleh Abdelsalam) was even running a bar with his brother just a few months before the Paris attacks. The point is, ignorance of their religion, lack of purpose and manipulation by criminals is what seems to drive much of the terrorism we have seen in Europe.

There was an excellent BBC radio documentary on the tactics used by ISIS recruiters, and basically it is to find the weakest, most vulnerable people with little identity and a lot of hate towards the state, and then plant the virus in their brains; Practising Muslims OTOH tend to be much better immunised in knowing the difference between right and wrong.
Sounds nothing more like a gang, offering a haven of security in return for blind obedience.
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To be fair, the bible also lists rules and principles that Christians ignore today due to its lack of revelance in modern society.
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Immature and inaccurate responses like yours only point to a total lack of ability to even interpret what it was that I was pointing out:

- as a non-Muslim, I'd like to be able to choose what I eat and what my children eat.
- as a parent, I don't see why my kids should be forced to eat a certain way because a handful of kids don't eat pork (and Jewish kids never imposed Kosher food on entire schools)
- as a citizen I am concerned that obtuse folk such as yourself make this about "a couple of youngsters" (the sons of an imam, apparently) who "stumbled across a video" (which raises the question, what other religious videos did they stumble across?)
-other tenets of the way Islam is being followed in Europe give rise to concern
(although peaceful Muslims are fine and share the same concern)

Fyi, I don't vote in the UK and UKIP is not my cup of tea anyway. Also, unlike you, I don't read the Daily Mail, so I wouldn't know much about their editorial policy, though your vocabulary and level of intellect is clearly more their level.
1. You can choose - make them a packed lunch. No one is force-feeding your kids.
2. Jewish kids who go to jewish schools do eat Jewish food, with no choice. non-jewish kids who go to jewish schools also eat kosher food. The difference is that its not as fashionable to hate jews, so no one cares.
3. You're really not getting this, are you...your kids are not forced to eat anything. It is available, and your kids partake, with your passive blessing. If you have a problem, make them lunch. If it is really an issue, find an alternative school. Again, parenting choices that you're trying to pass off as imposition.
4. As a normal person, with a reasonable degree of intelligence, i am more concerned that people like you exist, who believe the apocalypse is only one halal chicken nugget away.
5. Did you read the bit where the kids father, when he found out about what happened, told them they were wrong?
6. What other videos did they stumble across? Ask them respectfully, rather than make assumptions on an internet forum.
7. Europe is 742.5 million people. A couple who watched a video and did something silly does not inspire fear in me. Europe is stronger than that.

Thats funny - the twaddle you come out with seems like it was lifted from their journalistic manual.
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