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Old 19.06.2016, 21:05
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Re: Should emergency vehicles be allowed to exceed speed limits?

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Actually, it sort of was.

15 years ago, just before the start of a local rally stage, I was the last vehicle they let pass, somewhat reluctantly.

Needless to say, there was zero chance of vehicles, pedestrians, or cops, as I was riding on a closed road!

I bested my normal personal best of tight, windy roads with mainly an 80kph limit by two minutes (22 rather than 24, and closer to 35 these days).

(this on a bike, not a car)

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Nothing like a closed road to let the pig out.
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Old 19.06.2016, 21:31
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Nothing like a closed road to let the pig out.
And the Avon AM22/23 semi race tires weren't bad, either!

Still love Avons for bias-plys.

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Old 19.06.2016, 21:52
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Re: Should emergency vehicles be allowed to exceed speed limits?

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Ten minutes out of a thirty minute drive is not 'small'.

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Actually, it sort of was.

15 years ago, just before the start of a local rally stage, I was the last vehicle they let pass, somewhat reluctantly.

Needless to say, there was zero chance of vehicles, pedestrians, or cops, as I was riding on a closed road!

I bested my normal personal best of tight, windy roads with mainly an 80kph limit by two minutes (22 rather than 24, and closer to 35 these days).

(This on a bike, not a car. The rally cars were surely quicker.)

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yeah, these minor details .....

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Take it to the track, please.
Just remembered that my steering-wheel still vibrates at 130km/h (which means probably at 122 already with todays speedometers). So I gotta sort that problem out first anyway.
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Old 20.06.2016, 14:59
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Re: Should emergency vehicles be allowed to exceed speed limits?

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I could care less if they speed. Who determines whether an emergency is indeed an emergency?
The medical doctor on board of course.
Definitely not the driver, they usually have training on the level of a nurse.
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Fact is, they get ticketed and they have to prove/justify the severity of their deployment...
Yes, and that's exactly how it should be. Merely having blue light and siren on is not a free pass to drive any way you want. If the speeding is justified the ticket will be withdrawn, same for other violations of traffic rules.

What you demand is on the same level as demanding to allow the police to shoot anytime anybody anywhere, simply because a gun is part of their professional equipment.
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this can't be right and leads to emergency drivers not speeding in a case of emergency, because of fear that they might get reprimanded for it.
Hyperbole and fearmongering. Show your source, and no, otherwise unfounded claims on 20min don't count.

That basler policeman who was sentenced for doing up to 97km/h in 30km/h zone was chasing a bike because its plates were registered in the international "wanted" system (no reason given). That chase was only a matter of life and death because of the police chasing.

I have no doubt whatsoever how you would react if your child or OH got run over by police chasing an otherwise harmless shoplifter.
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Old 20.06.2016, 15:23
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Re: Should emergency vehicles be allowed to exceed speed limits?

In Munich there are red emergency ambulances equipped with a small operating theatre, a doctor, a nurse and a driver. Unusually they do have absolute priority, and a permit to speed. If there was an extreme emergency the ambulance would stop and the doctor would operate on the patient. This would normally only be if the patient could not breathe as the throat was obstructed.

Once on the edge of town a stupid driver drove into a junction and collided with the speeding ambulance, the ambulance rolled onto it's side: the nurse was concussed, and the doctor broke his arm. The patient was a premature baby who did survive the crash and was eventually collected by another ambulance. But would it not have been better for the patient & safer for everyone, to drive at a normal brisk speed and arrive one minute later?
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Re: Should emergency vehicles be allowed to exceed speed limits?

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In Munich there are red emergency ambulances equipped with a small operating theatre, a doctor, a nurse and a driver. Unusually they do have absolute priority, and a permit to speed. If there was an extreme emergency the ambulance would stop and the doctor would operate on the patient. This would normally only be if the patient could not breathe as the throat was obstructed.

Once on the edge of town a stupid driver drove into a junction and collided with the speeding ambulance, the ambulance rolled onto it's side: the nurse was concussed, and the doctor broke his arm. The patient was a premature baby who did survive the crash and was eventually collected by another ambulance. But would it not have been better for the patient & safer for everyone, to drive at a normal brisk speed and arrive one minute later?
Or not use stupid cellphones without hands free or blasting the radio at full volume oblivious to the world around :/
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Old 20.06.2016, 22:24
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Re: Should emergency vehicles be allowed to exceed speed limits?

I suppose the answer probably somewhat lies in whether the vehicle in question directly concerns you, an ambulance with you or your family in it, a fire engine coming to fight the fire in your house or the police man coming to shoot the next door neighbor for making too much noise.
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Old 20.06.2016, 22:31
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... The police man coming to shoot the next door neighbor for making too much noise.
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Old 20.06.2016, 22:51
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Or not use stupid cellphones without hands free or blasting the radio at full volume oblivious to the world around :/
In 1985 nobody had a cell phone, and at 10:00 am most people were fairly sober.

So maybe the ambulance driver was driving too fast?
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Old 21.06.2016, 15:05
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In 1985 nobody had a cell phone, and at 10:00 am most people were fairly sober.

So maybe the ambulance driver was driving too fast?
Aaand what was alcohol limit in Switzerland in 1985? Two beers? It is not that radio was discovered and installed in all cars in 21 century.
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Old 21.06.2016, 15:11
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In 1985 nobody had a cell phone
I know several people who did.

However, it was the size of a small suitcase.

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Old 21.06.2016, 15:12
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Aaand what was alcohol limit in Switzerland in 1985?
0.8

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Old 21.06.2016, 21:44
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I know several people who did.

However, it was the size of a small suitcase.

Tom
yeah, we had one, ROFLMAO. And it was heavy! And it was not hands-free.

A while ago someone gave me his handy-no. and started with 077 ... I interrupted, claiming those numbers don't excist anymore. Turns out, M-Budget took it over.
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Re: Should emergency vehicles be allowed to exceed speed limits?

Today evening the motorcade of the Serbian prime minster Aleksandar Vučić may have violated one or two traffic laws.
Switching on the blue light only just after crossing a red light is not enough
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That's 2 beers for a man?
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Old 21.06.2016, 23:34
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yeah, we had one, ROFLMAO. And it was heavy! And it was not hands-free.
It was heavy because it was powered by a battery from a Fiat!

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Old 21.06.2016, 23:37
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That's 2 beers for a man?
I'm 90kg, so yes, provided they were 1 liter each!

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I'm 90kg, so yes, provided they were 1 liter each!

Tom
Or just Belgian
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I could care less if they speed. Who determines whether an emergency is indeed an emergency? Fact is, they get ticketed and they have to prove/justify the severity of their deployment...this can't be right and leads to emergency drivers not speeding in a case of emergency, because of fear that they might get reprimanded for it.
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