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Re: Privacy Rights

"The trivial thing about thus whole matter is that it would take 1 hour tops to deactivate the youtube channel where the videos are situated....In all honesty, both parties have invested more time in fighting about this issue than it would take to resolve it. Its all just completely unnecessary."


I suspect from their point of view, it would take far more than 1 hour to reshoot / replace all the video and content taken down from YouTube and website. Probably why they are not immediately agreeing to your request.
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"The trivial thing about thus whole matter is that it would take 1 hour tops to deactivate the youtube channel where the videos are situated....In all honesty, both parties have invested more time in fighting about this issue than it would take to resolve it. Its all just completely unnecessary."


I suspect from their point of view, it would take far more than 1 hour to reshoot / replace all the video and content taken down from YouTube and website. Probably why they are not immediately agreeing to your request.
Re-shooting will not be possible. The videos in question are game time videos. Games played were recorded, those games can and will not be repeated since they happened in the past. On the other hand, judging by the amount of views on Youtube for those corresponding videos, it is VERY obvious that not that many people watch them. You could then ask " why then do you want to have them taken down?" Well i don't want to take any chances, none whatsoever than anyone, anytime in the future might be able to connect me with this sports club.
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Old 16.08.2016, 16:05
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Re: Privacy Rights

How many still shots and videos are we talking about? Is there no way to reach a compromise, where you could pay to have the images edited so that your face is blurred out? This would allow the club to continue using the images and videos, but you would not be known. Then again if you're the lead in some sort of instructional video I am not sure what you'd do with that...
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How many still shots and videos are we talking about? Is there no way to reach a compromise, where you could pay to have the images edited so that your face is blurred out? This would allow the club to continue using the images and videos, but you would not be known. Then again if you're the lead in some sort of instructional video I am not sure what you'd do with that...
It would cost loads to blur out images of me in the videos and a professional would have to do that. I don't see any possible compromise at this time to be completely honest. The club never used videos as a marketing tool before i arrived and most probably won't be using it as a tool now that i've gone, for one they don't have anyone interested in video editing and/or online marketing. This whole back and forth is primarily driven by spite, pure and simple. thats about it, those videos are of use to no one, they could only come back to bite me any time in the future. And thats what i want to prevent.
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Old 16.08.2016, 16:21
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they could only come back to bite me any time in the future.
Why? Was your behavior/performance poor? bad? embarrassing? dangerous?
Did you know you were being filmed? Was it usual for the club to film games?
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Why? Was your behavior/performance poor? bad? embarrassing? dangerous?
Did you know you were being filmed? Was it usual for the club to film games?
Not at all, the problem is that club in question itself has a very dodgy reputation in the sport scene hereabouts. In the case that that reputation gets worse in time, i do not want to risk me being connected to them in the future. As of now my reputation has already being tarnished due to the fact that i worked with and for them the last 3 years and other people from other clubs saw that. Only now that i have left the club, am i privy to the amount of damage it has caused my own reputation.
I knew i was getting filmed. According to swiss law, consent given for filming and photos can be rescinded at any time. So even though i original gave permission of the filming, i'm rescinding that permission now.
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Old 16.08.2016, 16:32
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Re: Privacy Rights

I do not think the OP will have any chance to make a claim via the "Recht am eigenen Bild". He made the videos and photos himself in an official function of a legal entity. So there was nobody publishing anything against his will - he changed his mind long after the fact. In Switzerland a lady lost a case where she wanted to get pornographic material removed off the internet which she had initially contractually agreed to... so I don't see this happening.


A club cannot be forced to spend a massive amount of work to re-edit the videos of the past ten years just because some person is having some sour grapes. Fortunately is Swiss law quite often a bit more pragmatic and down to earth than other legal systems...
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Old 16.08.2016, 16:33
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Not at all, the problem is that club in question itself has a very dodgy reputation in the sport scene hereabouts.
Oh come one, it's normal to be beaten into second place by FCB!
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I do not think the OP will have any chance to make a claim via the "Recht am eigenen Bild". He made the videos and photos himself in an official function of a legal entity. So there was nobody publishing anything against his will - he changed his mind long after the fact. In Switzerland a lady lost a case where she wanted to get pornographic material removed off the internet which she had initially contractually agreed to... so I don't see this happening.


A club cannot be forced to spend a massive amount of work to re-edit the videos of the past ten years just because some person is having some sour grapes. Fortunately is Swiss law quite often a bit more pragmatic and down to earth than other legal systems...
That might be true, but in this case there was no "contractual agreement" here. I posted them up for the club now i want them taken down. Its a matter of 30 mins and considering the fact that not many people actually watch the videos, it shouldn't be much of a problem to take them down.
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Re: Privacy Rights

Just because pictures are removed and videos deleted it doesn't mean that part of your life never happened. If the network for that club is relatively small "everyone" will still know you were there for those years. That's life.

You'd be better advised investing energy in your new club and rebuilding your reputation rather than trying to rewrite history.
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Old 16.08.2016, 16:39
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Well i don't want to take any chances, none whatsoever than anyone, anytime in the future might be able to connect me with this sports club.
As already mentioned by JagWaugh (post #14 in this thread) if the club is a legally registered one (im Handelsregister eingetragen) and if you were a club officer, then your participation is already a matter of public record in the Handelsregister. This would mean that your past affiliation with the club can't be completely expunged even if the club wants to.

So check that first. If you're already in the Handelsregister, then I'd say have a think about how much effort you really want to invest in getting these images taken down - given that your association with the club will remain on public record anyway.

(Here is an example from my neck of the woods, if you're curious what these database entries look like.)
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As already mentioned by JagWaugh (post #14 in this thread) if the club is a legally registered one (im Handelsregister eingetragen) and if you were a club officer, then your participation is already a matter of public record in the Handelsregister. This would mean that your past affiliation with the club can't be completely expunged even if the club wants to.

So check that first. If you're already in the Handelsregister, then I'd say have a think about how much effort you really want to invest in getting these images taken down - given that your association with the club will remain on public record anyway.

(Here is an example from my neck of the woods, if you're curious what these database entries look like.)
well according to the Handelsregister, the club is not registered. So i need not worry about that.
Thanks for pointing out that possibility though, i really appreciate it.
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Just because pictures are removed and videos deleted it doesn't mean that part of your life never happened. If the network for that club is relatively small "everyone" will still know you were there for those years. That's life.

You'd be better advised investing energy in your new club and rebuilding your reputation rather than trying to rewrite history.
That might be true, nonetheless i want to minimise this risk as much as possible. I will be investing my energies elsewhere, but i will still pursue this issue.
Thanks nonetheless for your input.
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Old 16.08.2016, 16:51
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So where can we find these damning YouTube videos?

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Old 16.08.2016, 16:54
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That might be true, but in this case there was no "contractual agreement" here.
At the moment you are a club officer is there one. You do not need paper and signatures to form a contract in Switzerland.


The bottom line is: If you made the videos as a private person and you upload them to your personal facebook account or website can nobody force you to keep them online. But if you did so in your role as a club officer and you did this on a club website... well, in that case did you act on behalf of a legal entity and they are not "your" videos anymore.
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So where can we find these damning YouTube videos?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Ok, now that I have seen the hairdo I understand Bature completely. In his case I would go to the highest court in the land. There are times that I am thankful to have reached maturity in the pre-digital era.
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Ok, now that I have seen the hairdo I understand Bature completely. In his case I would go to the highest court in the land. There are times that I am thankful to have reached maturity in the pre-digital era.
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Old 16.08.2016, 17:44
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LOL good one, I want to delete something from the internet, classic

is it friday already?

ps, took me about 10 seconds and 1 google to find the club and videos you may want to remove some info from your profile here too
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