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Savings - grocery shopping over the border.

Hello.
I wondered for months. How much you save by grocery shop in Germany?
As I was under impression that I'm wasting my day by shopping in Germany and wanted to stop doing it... I did the calculation my self today.
223.00 Euro spent in Kaufland.
Same / similar shopping in Coop would of been 415 Euro. (subject to food quality etc)
10-15 Euro Diesel
Minimum 4-5h needed from Zug.
Savings of around 175 Euro.

Just in case some of you wondered too, worth or not.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

Not saying that shopping outside of CH is bad - but how much time would you have needed for the shop in CH as opposed to Germany, and what would you have wanted to do in that saved time?
Also, if you want to include the 19% VAT refund in the 223 Euros (looks like you didn't do that yet), you'd have to add driving costs of another trip to Germany.


IMO shopping outside of CH makes sense when
  • there are large savings (over 50% compared to CH) to be made by doing so - this includes price of items purchased, refunds, cost of transportation and food/drinks consumed during the shopping trip
  • items aren't available in CH

It looks like you got a pretty good deal, but probably not good enough for me to have taken the trip just yet

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Not saying that shopping outside of CH is bad - but how much time would you have needed for the shop in CH as opposed to Germany, and what would you have wanted to do in that saved time?
I'm thinking in this direction as your quote above.
Hence I did the calculation.
As work starts to pick up, Saturday becomes even more important, than spending it driving and shopping in what is quite a busy environment.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

We shop in Italy because a) we are already there or b) we need something special.

Savings on groceries don't warrant a special trip (only 4% VAT on groceries, not worth reclaiming), motorcycle parts often do.

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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

4-5 hours minimum just to go shopping?

I can think of plenty of things I'd rather be doing on a Saturday than spending that amount of time shopping.

By shopping smartly and taking advantage of offers you can reduce costs in Switzerland too. Not shopping in coop would be a good start. You might not be able to bring the total down to the German level but you could get it much closer and save yourself the stress and hassle of the trips to Germany, or at least make the trips less frequently.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

We go twice a year - because of the six month limit on claiming tax back.

We mainly stock up on toothpaste, brushes, other stuff like that and a few things we either can't easily get in Switzerland or have a very unreasonable mark-up here.

We fill two large trolleys, are finished by about 9.00 in the morning and spend the rest of the day doing something fun in the vicinity of Konstanz (aquarium, Mainau, Stein am Rhein etc)
and have a meal somewhere too.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

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Not saying that shopping outside of CH is bad - but how much time would you have needed for the shop in CH as opposed to Germany, and what would you have wanted to do in that saved time?
Also, if you want to include the 19% VAT refund in the 223 Euros (looks like you didn't do that yet), you'd have to add driving costs of another trip to Germany.


IMO shopping outside of CH makes sense when
  • there are large savings (over 50% compared to CH) to be made by doing so - this includes price of items purchased, refunds, cost of transportation and food/drinks consumed during the shopping trip
  • items aren't available in CH

It looks like you got a pretty good deal, but probably not good enough for me to have taken the trip just yet
Works out about 50% of the local groceries, even when done in Denner. But this is in France. And we pretty much have to do it since there has been no or minimal childsupport for years.

I love shopping in France, Casino and Carrefour cheap brands are top, the stuff we eat, that is. And we get some neat art supplies, and school stuff for peanuts. It is a few kms away, too. It is a pleasant experience, as opposed to cutting out coupons here, spending too much time watching sales or bulk offers (I am a single mom with a job and studies on top). Migroop is a rip off, Denner works if one feeds more mouths.

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We go twice a year - because of the six month limit on claiming tax back.

We mainly stock up on toothpaste, brushes, other stuff like that and a few things we either can't easily get in Switzerland or have a very unreasonable mark-up here.

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We go maybe three or four times a year and stock up on similar items to you. Toothpaste, deodorants and toiletries are much cheaper in France. We then tend to get mostly fish and lamb which are not so easily available here and are pretty expensive.
Tonic is another thing I will stock up on in France.

We're only 40 minutes away from the French supermarket but I still don't think it's worth going more often than that personally.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

Maybe the thread title should be changed to 'shopping over the border'; as there are several posts about Italy and France as well. Another cross border shopper from France here; what really attracts me is the opening hours, can easily shop til 9pm. Swiss markets have improved hours to compete but still not close to France ' opening hours.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

when we first arrived, we went all the time (about 45mins from waldshut) but that was when I had very young kids and I needed lots of nappies and formula. Now, not so much, I go when we need to bulk up on toiletries which I think is a bit OTT over here.

But over the years, I have realised that for the time spent and money saved I may as well stay in CH, I get all my veg in Lidl (coop is expensive by comparison) Meats i mostly still go to coop because Id rather spend on better quality than quantity. (although only perceived 'quality )
I very rarely buy any cleaning product here, that is a trip for DE.

I know I defiantly save on toiletries, cleaning products, school stuff and always christmas/birthday gifts. Fortunately thats more or less only a couple of trips per year specifically for groceries.

If you have kids, it really is a traumatic experience to go too frequently, mine hate it ( unless we bribe them with a toy/game) just the queues at the checkout at Kaufland drains the life out of you!

So to sum up, yes you can save going to Germany /france/Italy it all depends on the 'willingness' of the family, if your all happy going and twin it with a 'day out' then great but to go regularly every week, fight the masses and spend another hour unpacking all the stuff (as well as all the 'extras' just because its cheap) its just not for me - although took me about 2 years to realise that!
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We mainly stock up on toothpaste, brushes, other stuff like that and a few things we either can't easily get in Switzerland or have a very unreasonable mark-up here.
i tried ordering this kind of stuff (dishwasher tablets, washing machine soap) from Amazon.de. that worked perfectly and saves you a trip to Germany.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

As already mentioned couple of times, we go as well like couple of times a year.

To Lörach, Weil am Rhein and Binzen where all these towns are very close to each other. For Kaufland, DM and another shop for our baby girl (Babyone in Binzen)

We buy just toiletries, baby stuff and canned goods. We do not buy diary or meat, also no grocery as we buy them here like daily not even weekly.

I also benefit from a Motorbike shop at Weil am Rhein and also we have a lunch or if we are there afternoon, an early dinner and we are home. The other thing I stack is shampoo as I do not have any specific requirements for shampoo
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We shop in Italy because a) we are already there or b) we need something special
Talking of special Tom, a very nice shopping centre near the Alfa Romeo museum - Il Centro - Centro Commerciale (Via Giuseppe Eugenio Luraghi, 11, 20020 Arese MI, Italian)

I loved the Iper market there. We drove in Italy coming back to Switzerland from a long drive and needed some nappies, ask the lady on the toll charge that we need a shop and she send us there. Great discovery.

Loved the set up of the shop especially the veg and cheese counters!
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

We should't forget that some people earn 4000-5000 chf a month, some less.
Based on a cursory calculation (family of 5, 3 children), saving of 175 euro a trip, based on a every other Saturday, 26 weeks = 4550 euro of savings per year.
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...Meats i mostly still go to coop because Id rather spend on better quality than quantity..
What quantity? 1kg per person isn't really so much.

Coop often have 50% off larger cuts of meat, making them good value for money. Then we fill the trolley.
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Re: Savings - grocery shopping in Germany.

413eur in COOP?? Is that a weekly shop?

Did you do a "Swiss" shop and then replicated in Germany? Or do it the other way round and do a "German" shop and replicate here? What was the "make-up" of the shopping trolley?
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413eur in COOP?? Is that a weekly shop?

Did you do a "Swiss" shop and then replicated in Germany? Or do it the other way round and do a "German" shop and replicate here? What was the "make-up" of the shopping trolley?
2 weeks shopping. No milk included.
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2 weeks shopping. No milk included.
What was the breakout of the trolley? EG meat, alcohol, drinks, cosmetics, cleaning products, dry goods etc etc

In my experience a "trolley" of goods is most expensive COOP, then Migros and then ALDI/LIDL.

An expensive week in ALDI/LIDL is <100chf for us
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some people earn 4000-5000 chf a month, some less.
That's exactly the point. If someone makes CHF 175 per hour at work, it's worth just stay for an hour longer there on Friday, than wasting half of Saturday for grocery ))
Like other people told here, we make a stop at the grocery abroad only if we are already there for another reason.
One of the "other" reasons, however, may be shopping for home stuff, especially when you own a big house... You can save CHF thousands on one trip. But this sounds like a separate topic ))
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What was the breakout of the trolley? EG meat, alcohol, drinks, cosmetics, cleaning products, dry goods etc etc

In my experience a "trolley" of goods is most expensive COOP, then Migros and then ALDI/LIDL.

An expensive week in ALDI/LIDL is <100chf for us
Breakout of the trolley - everything. Fruit, veg, meat, cheese, alcohol, nappies, wet wipes, almost everything. I did mention above, family of 5 with 3 small children. For us as non-food wasters is impossible to live on 100chf per week. (Aldi or not)
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