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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

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Well maybe its legal for the owner (and it seems normal), yet:
It does change the relationship of the other tenants vs their landlord.

Same as some tenants were able to reduce their rent due to legal presence of a "sauna" in the building. Read the previous legal cases in CH.

So maybe since it could create a nuisance of any kind, maybe it could change things for the OP.
OP has no problem whatsoever other than being po'ed for some unknown reason. Nothing happened. So far he's had no disadvantage of the landlord renting out some of his apartments as an AirBnB rather than to a more permanent renter. Everything he assumes might happen is exactly that - assumption. He's simply annoyed because the apartment is not being made available as a rental object (though he himself obviously has a place to live).

As I said at the beginning IF there is a clear disadvantage, IF something ever happens, IF he ever has an actual issue, it may be a different story. And then he can ask for whatever he wants to, though that is clearly not his intention. He simply asked whether what the landlord was doing was legal (it is), ethical (subject to discussion) and whether he's the only one who would be annoyed by that (apaprently not). That's all.

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Samaire13: I kinda get why you're not friends with your neighbours.
Aww, cute. The information you gave is still not relevant and/or not correct though, for the specific case here.
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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

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OP has no problem whatsoever other than being po'ed for some unknown reason. Nothing happened. So far he's had no disadvantage of the landlord renting out some of his apartments as an AirBnB rather than to a more permanent renter. Everything he assumes might happen is exactly that - assumption. He's simply annoyed because the apartment is not being made available as a rental object (though he himself obviously has a place to live).

As I said at the beginning IF there is a clear disadvantage, IF something ever happens, IF he ever has an actual issue, it may be a different story. And then he can ask for whatever he wants to, though that is clearly not his intention. He simply asked whether what the landlord was doing was legal (it is), ethical (subject to discussion) and whether he's the only one who would be annoyed by that (apaprently not). That's all.



Aww, cute. The information you gave is still not relevant and/or not correct though, for the specific case here.



I don't care about IF, IF and IFS, it's a discussion that's all.
I'm not here to solve the OP issues, I just mentioned that even if legal, it could impact the tenant.
Which is something we could all benefit to know, for curious minds.
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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

You yourself brought up what he COULD do IF it became a nuisance of sorts

And quite frankly, anything can be a nuisance. So three more people a day walk through the front door, whatev. Others have a neighbor who throws parties all the time or one that has a kid that screams through the night or a dog that barks too loud at times or another one that needs to get to work at 4am and first runs the shower in the apartment above you and then lets the door slam and then there's those that are annoyed because someone else is blocking the laundry room. There's always something that can annoy someone else. So what. In 99% of all cases, there is no real downside or disadvantage, really. It's just a waste of energy.
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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

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You yourself brought up what he COULD do IF it became a nuisance of sorts

And quite frankly, anything can be a nuisance. So three more people a day walk through the front door, whatev. Others have a neighbor who throws parties all the time or one that has a kid that screams through the night or a dog that barks a too loud at times or another one that needs to get to work at 4am and first runs the shower in the apartment above you and then lets the door slam and then there's those that are annoyed because someone else is blocking the laundry room. There's always something that can annoy someone else. So what. In 99% of all cases, there is no real downside or disadvantage, really. It's just a waste of energy.
I agree, yet in the context I disagree.
It's a abnormal situation and it couldimpact the tenancy agreement of others non-B&B renters.
So it's not a waste of energy to know the rules and if it's a possible source of rent negotiation.

Again, i'm not saying it should be a new source of conflict, it helps to know where we stand, that's all.

PS: dog barking is illegal and makes troubles, see:
http://ge.ch/bruit/media/bruit-rayon...n_anglaise.pdf

Possibly if the tenant reports to landlord and the landlord does nothing, there's basis for complain and ultimately possible rent reduction.

(I don't make the rules, don't shoot the messenger).

PS2: taking bath/shower at night is consider excessive noise, again, not my doing. I'd not complain about that, for example.
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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

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And the amount of cash those tourists bring are of course ignored... Spain is pretty much in deep trouble with massive youth unemployment... Barcelona is the one exception (except of the islands) mostly thanks to tourist money and as soon as there is some money made do the ones who have enough complain about how those pesky tourists change the face of "their" city... I am in tears...
Sure but you have to live there to see how it is indeed a huge & multiple faces problem. Not everyone lives from the touristic industry.
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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

In the city of Zurich, some apartment buildings were built (or later bought) partially funded by state subsidies. This was part of a longterm government plan to promote the building of flats, in order to deal with the accommodation shortage. I write in the past tense because I think this applied more during the 1980s and 1990s, and seem to recall reading somewhere that this system was set for a limited duration and as such is being phased out.

The law on this is called the Wohnbau- und Eigentumsförderungsgesetz (abbreviated as WEG) and covers apects related to promoting both building homes (for rental) and home-ownership. Although I post the link here for anyone who's interested, I've not gone back to read it and see what it really covers. https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...232/index.html.

Blocks of flats which were constructed with funds granted through this law are subject to certain regulations about how the flats may be rented out. For example, there is a certain amount of rental control, with certain subsidies for specific categories of tenants. Even so, not all accommodation built with WEG is necessarily low-rent.

It could be that, if the building in which OP lives is subject to any part of this law, OP may have an argument to prevent the owner renting an appartment out as AirBnb.

I presume that the Mieterverband would know how to find out such information about the owner.

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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

In Lausanne there are sometimes strings attached to a multiple flat building permit - that certain share of them has to be "rent regulated", and the rest are free market. So I wouldn't be surprised if there were other regulations as well impacting hotel-like usage.
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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

General issues with AirBnB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGLe0Wgfbyk
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Re: Landlord turning empty apartments into AirBnB rentals?

It looks like (in Geneva) there is already a local law controlling a landlords right to turn what should be a normal rental unit into basically a holiday let or glorified hotel suite.

This article appeared in the Tribune de Geneve today;
http://www.tdg.ch/geneve/actu-genevo...story/12878786

It's too long for me to translate entirely but I google translated the most relevant part of it, the last paragraph is perhaps the most interesting;

"But is without counting the venality of some owners who strive to "uberiser" the rental market and develop a new form of speculation.
The aim of these is to draw more profit by subtracting housing rental stock to assign exclusively to rent on digital platforms. The gains are high and these owners do not run the risk that their challenge tenant rent or seek respect for their rights.

These units are managed as hotel rooms without being subject to the obligations of hoteliers and escaping, in practice, the right of the lease. Paris, Berlin, New York or San Francisco familiar with this phenomenon and have already taken action.

Geneva is not far behind. Approximately 300 homes are rented exclusively on these platforms and thus lost to the people of Geneva. This situation threatens the housing policy. Geneva is trying painfully to achieve between 1500 and 2000 units per year to reduce the shortage. It is unacceptable that owners in need of speculation undermine this effort by subtracting hundreds of apartments in the rental market.

Unlike other cities facing this problem, Geneva is already equipped to fight against this new form of speculative practices. The main law protecting tenants, LDTR, protects not only against Genevois sales-off, but also preserves the rental market by preventing the housing from being diverted from their purpose and assigned to commercial use."
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