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Old 08.01.2017, 19:18
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Facebook group ... Caravanners UK. I didn't comment as I was busy thinking now that's something the EFfers should debate on a chilly Sunday afternoon. Pass the wine here please
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BTW they will rip you to shreds if you criticise their wheels.
A whole FB page on caravans and they are not Dutch?
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Old 08.01.2017, 19:19
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That was just one example but there are others. Like this Drexel University professor who tweeted that he wished for a white genocide – yet he was able to keep his job.

Do you honestly believe if somebody called for a black genocide (even as some sort of tasteless joke) they would have any chance of keeping their job as a professor?
I don't actually care, to be honest, and neither does the media. They will print a story in any way they feel that a) jives with their political agenda and b) will flog the most copy and advertising.

My reasons for not caring are because only a fraction of the facts are reported and not necessarily in the right order so I'm not going to waste my time what is 90% fabricated.
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Old 08.01.2017, 19:27
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I don't actually care, to be honest, and neither does the media. They will print a story in any way they feel that a) jives with their political agenda and b) will flog the most copy and advertising.

My reasons for not caring are because only a fraction of the facts are reported and not necessarily in the right order so I'm not going to waste my time what is 90% fabricated.
Ok I’ll try again.

About a month ago in my home city of Melbourne there were a group of teachers who decided to display their political message (indoctrination?) by wearing pro-refugee t-shirts to work (in government, publicly funded schools). There was bit of an uproar but no disciplinary action was taken against them.

In your honest opinion, what do you think would happen if a teacher at a publicly funded school decided to wear a 'Close the Borders' t-shirt?
I personally don’t think they would be allowed to and they would probably face disciplinary action and possibly lose their job.

If my assumption is correct, why would one political view be allowed to be promoted (at a publicly funded school) and one political view not?
Seems to point to a liberal, PC bias in certain education departments.
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Old 08.01.2017, 19:34
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Ok I’ll try again.

About a month ago in my home city of Melbourne there were a group of teachers who decided to display their political message (indoctrination?) by wearing pro-refugee t-shirts to work (in government, publicly funded schools). There was bit of an uproar but no disciplinary action was taken against them.

In your honest opinion, what do you think would happen if a teacher at a publicly funded school decided to wear a 'Close the Borders' t-shirt?
I personally don’t think they would be allowed to and they would probably face disciplinary action and possibly lose their job.

If my assumption is correct, why would one political view be allowed to be promoted (at a publicly funded school) and one political view not?
Seems to point to a liberal, PC bias in certain schools.
I'll repeat - you are doing what the papers do and are inventing an 'opposite' scenario which didn't happen in order to make your point. Your story is full of assumptions then you are denouncing it as a PC liberal bias.

Nobody can argue with invented 'what ifs'.
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Old 08.01.2017, 19:45
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I'll repeat - you are doing what the papers do and are inventing an 'opposite' scenario which didn't happen in order to make your point. Your story is full of assumptions then you are denouncing it as a PC liberal bias.

Nobody can argue with invented 'what ifs'.
But in my last post I included a link to a story with no assumptions or what ifs - it simply told the story of a professor who tweeted some racist things about white people yet he got to keep his job.

Yet you dismissed it as ''only a fraction of the facts are reported and not necessarily in the right order''.

So according to your reasoning it doesn't matter what information is given to you, whether it's based on actual events or whether it's hypotheical, you will just always dismiss it?

Lefty logic
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Old 08.01.2017, 19:47
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Ok I’ll try again.

About a month ago in my home city of Melbourne there were a group of teachers who decided to display their political message (indoctrination?) by wearing pro-refugee t-shirts to work (in government, publicly funded schools). There was bit of an uproar but no disciplinary action was taken against them.

In your honest opinion, what do you think would happen if a teacher at a publicly funded school decided to wear a 'Close the Borders' t-shirt?
I personally don’t think they would be allowed to and they would probably face disciplinary action and possibly lose their job.
Well, AFAIK Australia has pretty much closed its borders for illegal immigrants, hasn't it?

Therefore I would not expect a 'Close the Borders' t-shirt to cause much of an uproar there (besides being rather pointless), since the borders are closed already.

Now, Germany would be quite a different story.
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Old 08.01.2017, 20:00
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Ok I’ll try again.

About a month ago in my home city of Melbourne there were a group of teachers who decided to display their political message (indoctrination?) by wearing pro-refugee t-shirts to work (in government, publicly funded schools). There was bit of an uproar but no disciplinary action was taken against them.

In your honest opinion, what do you think would happen if a teacher at a publicly funded school decided to wear a 'Close the Borders' t-shirt?
I personally don’t think they would be allowed to and they would probably face disciplinary action and possibly lose their job.

If my assumption is correct, why would one political view be allowed to be promoted (at a publicly funded school) and one political view not?
Seems to point to a liberal, PC bias in certain education departments.
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I'll repeat - you are doing what the papers do and are inventing an 'opposite' scenario which didn't happen in order to make your point. Your story is full of assumptions then you are denouncing it as a PC liberal bias.

Nobody can argue with invented 'what ifs'.
My thought entirely. There are always so many "ifs", "woulds", "coulds" in your sentences.

And as far as I am informed, Australia closed it's borders long ago, so what would be the point of wearing such a T-Shirt?! Carrying water to the Rhein?

As to opinions in schools: Youngsters should be confronted as early as possible with the fact that there are different opnions around, that therefore they have to make up their own mind (something that seems to be desired less and less - again!) and learn how to argue it ..... not with ifs and coulds / stupid laws and authority ... though. So if teachers wear such T-Shirts to school it can wake kids up to think about all aspects, as long as the teachers use them to start a constructive discussion.

addition: Mark75 beat me to it in parts :-)
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Old 08.01.2017, 20:03
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But in my last post I included a link to a story with no assumptions or what ifs - it simply told the story of a professor who tweeted some racist things about white people yet he got to keep his job.

Yet you dismissed it as ''only a fraction of the facts are reported and not necessarily in the right order''.

So according to your reasoning it doesn't matter what information is given to you, whether it's based on actual events or whether it's hypotheical, you will just always dismiss it?

Lefty logic
But you are STILL assuming that someone tweeting racist stuff about black people would be fired. That's the bit I have a problem with. You are trying to make a point using a made up scenario which then puts your famous "liberal PC" light on the university. How do you know for sure that someone tweeting racist stuff about blacks wouldn't be treated in the same way?

You don't. Therefore it's illogical, regardless of whether it's lefty or righty logic.
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Lefty logic
Boring, predictable, lame response.
How about some woman's logic.

When was the last time we had a large number of refugees fleeing a country run by a woman?
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Old 08.01.2017, 20:23
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Therefore I would not expect a 'Close the Borders' t-shirt to cause much of an uproar there (besides being rather pointless), since the borders are closed already.
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And as far as I am informed, Australia closed it's borders long ago, so what would be the point of wearing such a T-Shirt?!
There are always other controversial statements in Australia regarding asylum seekers such as 'Send Them Back' or the ever so eloquent '**** Off We're Full'.
I’m arguing that if someone were to wear a (insert pro border slogan) t-shirt I don’t think it would be permitted and I think they would face disciplinary action.

This is my opinion and I don't have any proof for that (I think most teachers know the outcome so wouldn't want to try it)

I actually dared my Dad to try it (who is a government school teacher and has been for 35+ years) and he just laughed and said it would never be allowed.
When I questioned him about the hypocrisy of this hypothetical situation he said he was hearing more and more teachers complaining that they were fed up with the hard liberal leanings of the Australian Teachers Union. But that's just his opinion obviously.

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When was the last time we had a large number of refugees fleeing a country run by a woman?
What else would you call all the Brits over-running Switzerland?

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What else would you call all the Brits over-running Switzerland?

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or the Germans moving to Switzerland
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What else would you call all the Brits over-running Switzerland?

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You're confusing a plague with an exodus. Two entirely different things.
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Old 08.01.2017, 20:35
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But you are STILL assuming that someone a university professor tweeting racist stuff about black people advocating black genocide would be fired. That's the bit I have a problem with.
Yes that is my assumption which you happen to disagree with.

This is the point I realize we will never see eye to eye and i'm happy to agree to disagree.
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or the Germans moving to Switzerland
No, those are "redisplaced persons".

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You're confusing a plague with an exodus. Two entirely different things.
Goodness - are we being overrun? Have to inform the natives post-haste
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That was just one example but there are others. Like this Drexel University professor who tweeted that he wished for a white genocide – yet he was able to keep his job.

Do you honestly believe if somebody called for a black genocide (even as some sort of tasteless joke) they would have any chance of keeping their job as a professor?
White genocide conspiracy theory is a white nationalist conspiracy theory that mass immigration, integration, miscegenation, low fertility rates and abortion are being promoted in predominantly white countries to deliberately turn them minority-white and hence cause white people to become extinct through forced assimilation. Or if you don't trust wikipedia, here's a link to a group that disseminate the conspiracy theory.

In those terms, his tweet makes sense, and isn't offensive at all (except to white supremacists). "All I want for Christmas is a tolerant immigration policy, integration between different ethnics groups, more mixed race marriages, and freely available abortion". I'll admit he probably doesn't want lower fertility rates, but the point still hits home.

In that context, why should be be fired? And in that context, it's not a tasteless joke, but rather it is clever satire.

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I don't actually care, to be honest, and neither does the media. They will print a story in any way they feel that a) jives with their political agenda and b) will flog the most copy and advertising.

My reasons for not caring are because only a fraction of the facts are reported and not necessarily in the right order so I'm not going to waste my time what is 90% fabricated.
It seems your point is well demonstrated. The extremist media outlets, knowing full well he was taking the piss out of white supremacists, omitted the context, thereby promoting their agenda against the "liberal regime" or even racial hatred.
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