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Not to mention that the xenophobic Swissies banned construction of minarets in Switzerland! I am surprised Geert Wilders is not Swiss.
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WOW. Thanks for proving my point. You conveniently skipped over the hard facts I presented in my previous post (the quoted text). According to you, the UN Human Rights commission are also confined to a small, xenophobic area of Switzerland, which is somehow quite different from other areas of this vast geographic area! If only they could see the rest of Switzerland!
Sorry, but what you presented are NOT "hard facts" but just some personal notions and ideas
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I am not a banker, and neither am I an American. If you are going to reply to me, you should at least read a few of my posts.


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That being said, I can't help but notice many Nazi-esque Swiss people throwing around slogans such as "If you don't like Switzerland, why don"t you leave". So long as immigrants maintain their legal status, and pay taxes and abide by Swiss laws, they can live in Switzerland and hate it at the same time.
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I detest people everywhere who refuse any criticizm by pointing to you having the possibilty to leave. But as an American you should be aware of the fact that Americans are leading in this field by a heavy margin


If the Swiss can't take criticism, then perhaps they are too Chauvinistic. In more advanced societies, individuals see themselves as "citizens of the world", which enables them to easily take criticism of their own country, or to criticize their own country without being personally attacked!
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"THE" Swiss ? Really ? Sure, quite many people in Switzerland are far far too chauvinistic. But to talk as if the average of people in "advanced societies" regard themselves as "citizens of the world" is clearly wishful thinking. And at the other hand, Switzerland has lots of individuals who DO regard themselves as "citizens of the world". Possibly more than elsewhere

Obviously, this is not true for many Swissies. Especially the UDC (the xenophobic Swiss People's Party) members!
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Again, this is not true for many people in the world. It however IS true for a good number of SVPlers who are "citizens of the world" and not xenophobic at all. But it unfortunately IS true for others

I would like to present some hard facts here:
"Swiss people voted a new parliament in 2007, giving the right-wing Swiss People's Party a consolidated grip on power.
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What do you mean by "a consolidated grip on power" ?
A) Switzerland has a proportional system which means that a party getting 30% of the votes has 30% of the seats.
B) By the consensus agreement, such a party has the right for two seats in the Coalition of the Union and it HAS 2 seats ! Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf HAS an SVP seat. When she got elected she was member of the SVP


The Swiss People's Party which has the largest number of seats in the Swiss parliament and is a member of the country's coalition government, drew worldwide condemnation with an ad campaign depicting three white sheep kicking a black sheep off a Swiss flag. "
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_...pe#Switzerland
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Sure so, and correctly. What else for a party which regularily copies methods used by the NSDAP in the 1920ies and 30ies ?


Thanks to judengeld and laundering money for the world"s dictatorial regimes and rich bankers, Switzerland went from being the poorest country in Western Europe to being one of the richest. When the world's banking system finally collapses, Swiss will go back to owning 1-2 cows, and scraping the floor for bread crumbs.
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<> Switzerland went up to being a fairly rich country in the 1800s, long before the Judengeld became relevant and even longer before the money laundering
<> Switzerland can survive the collapse of those "banksters" possibly better than many others .... and Switzerland will still depend on the main pillars of its economy , the export industry and the inbound-tourism
<> exports not just are exports of actual merchandise but often also exports of engineering plans, recipes for pharma-products etc
<> you speak about banking, but very important is the insurance-branch

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@Lysse. I am sure Germany during the 1930-ies was economically a much more advanced country than, say, Somalia. Economic prosperity does not negate the racist culture. I make a good living in Switzerland (yes, I have 2 graduate degrees!), but I do realize that UDC is the most prominent party here, similar to the National Socialists of the last century Germany. There is a good reason the UN Human Rights commission is alarmed about the wide-spread xenophobia in Switzerland. While not all Swiss are racist, racism is an inherent part of Swiss culture.
@All others. I am not American.
The NSDAP never had a majority in the German parliament (Reichstag) but Imperial President (Reichs-Präsident) Marschall Hindenburg, had to give the order to establish a coalition government to the leader of the most sizeable party, Mr Adolf Hitler

Switzerland, as outlined before, is part of Europe, and racism is an inherent part of Europe and so it is logically also an inherent part of Switzerland

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I agree that the US is a racist country as well. But this thread is about Switzerland, not other countries. You are welcome to start one on the US. I will be happy to post there, too!
Although I am not American, I know many Americans who have the fortitude to admit to the backwardness and racism of the US culture. You could learn a lot from those Americans.
No, Sir, it does not work that way. A) the USA is NOT "a racist country" even if a country with a heavy racist legacy and past (your reference to 'many Americans ... know' proves the point) ... and B) Switzerland is part of the world and you so cannot separate things here from the rest of the world. and C) so many Swiss emigrated to countries like the USA over the past three centuries and some of them came back

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Wow! You were alive at the time of racial segregation in the US? Then your user name would be more accurate as "Ab_Flab". Ok, I take it back, I respect senior citizens.
You are free to make a joke of yourself. Segregation was still at work in the USA as late as in the 1960ies, when Martin Luther King Jr, in conjunction with Messrs J.F. Kennedy and L.B. Johnson got things ahead. You do not need to be a "senior citizen" to remember this time splendidly well. Alright you may be in your early 20ies and have it with the slogan "Don't trust anyone above 30"

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Somehow I do not think we are going to get a sensible exchange of views here. Some Swiss I am the first to deplore the rise of the SVP/UDC and abhor their racist poster and statements, in particular the latest that states that THE SWISS vote SVP/UDC - which is untrue bordering on fraudulent. The first to deplore the way the Minaret issue was dealt with and manipulated. Criticism I'll take, as long as it is done fairly and with clear facts- and without demonizing THE SWISS - and indicating that racism is particularly Swiss. It is sadly alive and well in most European countries, and in the US too. Good and bad everywhere- sometimes in a different way and with a different context. Racism and xenophobia is abhorent wherever it comes from. Have you ever thought that your stance and accusations here are just another form of the same thing?
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No, Sir, it does not work that way. A) the USA is NOT "a racist country" even if a country with a heavy racist legacy and past (your reference to 'many Americans ... know' proves the point) ... and B) Switzerland is part of the world and you so cannot separate things here from the rest of the world. and C) so many Swiss emigrated to countries like the USA over the past three centuries and some of them came back
If you say so.
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Somehow I do not think we are going to get a sensible exchange of views here. Some Swiss I am the first to deplore the rise of the SVP/UDC and abhor their racist poster and statements, in particular the latest that states that THE SWISS vote SVP/UDC - which is untrue bordering on fraudulent. The first to deplore the way the Minaret issue was dealt with and manipulated. Criticism I'll take, as long as it is done fairly and with clear facts- and without demonizing THE SWISS - and indicating that racism is particularly Swiss. It is sadly alive and well in most European countries, and in the US too. Good and bad everywhere- sometimes in a different way and with a different context. Racism and xenophobia is abhorent wherever it comes from.
I agree completely. Did you do ANYTHING to counter these racist events that took/take place in your country? Silence is often taken as a sign of consent.

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No, rightfully accusing the majority in a racist country of racism is NOT racist in itself. It is just pointing out the obvious. Is calling Nazi Germans racist an act of racism in itself?

I recently (a few months back) received an invitation letter to participate in a local demonstration against the immigrants in Switzerland. I had work to do, but if any of you Swissies went, please let me know how it all went down.
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I agree completely. Did you do ANYTHING to counter these racist events that took/take place in your country? Silence is often taken as a sign of consent.
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No, rightfully accusing the majority in a racist country of racism is NOT racist in itself. It is just pointing out the obvious. Is calling Nazi Germans racist an act of racism in itself?
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A) "the majority" ? there is no majority in Switzerland
B) a racist country ? who do you mean ?
C) Nazi Germans ? specify please what you mean

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I recently (a few months back) received an invitation letter to participate in a local demonstration against the immigrants in Switzerland. I had work to do, but if any of you Swissies went, please let me know how it all went down.
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These personal attacks suggest that I am really onto something here!
Personal attacks? By whom? Wasn't it you who called AbFab "Ab-Flab" just because she, just like me and quite a few others on this forum, was born and grew up when racial segregation was still raging in the USA?

You are so young and inexperienced, you do not even know that there is life beyond 40. So you make fun of decent people's names and groan those who tell you that you ought to grow up first. Go on, kid.
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I am surprised Geert Wilders is not Swiss.
This is one of the most profound sentences I've ever read on this forum.
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Personal attacks? By whom? Wasn't it you who called AbFab "Ab-Flab" just because she, just like me and quite a few others on this forum, was born and grew up when racial segregation was still raging in the USA?
But I was forced to come up with the witty Ab_Flab name AFTER she unprovokedly called me a troll. I doubt that you are Swiss, because you are "chronologically challenged".

Apparently you are so mature, and yet want to play "who called who what" games. You are also disingenuous, since you are only reporting on one side of the story. You could have a successful career with Fox News!
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But I was forced to come up with the witty Ab_Flab name AFTER she unprovokedly called me a troll. I doubt that you are Swiss, because you are "chronologically challenged".

Apparently you are so mature, and yet want to play "who called who what" games. You are also disingenuous, since you are only reporting on one side of the story. You could have a successful career with Fox News!
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But I was forced to come up with the witty Ab_Flab name AFTER she unprovokedly called me a troll. I doubt that you are Swiss, because you are "chronologically challenged".

Apparently you are so mature, and yet want to play "who called who what" games. You are also disingenuous, since you are only reporting on one side of the story. You could have a successful career with Fox News!
And AGAIN you rush into a personal attack accusing sombody here to have missed a career at Fox IS a serious attack

You in fact WERE attacking AbFlab upon a reply of her. And AFTER you provoked her really ...
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And AGAIN you rush into a personal attack accusing sombody here to have missed a career at Fox IS a serious attack

You in fact WERE attacking AbFlab upon a reply of her. And AFTER you provoked her really ...
Not really. Go back and re-read the posts in chronological order. By the way, Fox is paying really well. You should consider it, too. You could be the next Glenn Beck. I heard he is leaving the show.
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I've just decided that we should start applying the "-ss/ie" ending to all nations with long-ish official names for their inhabitants, for balance and to stop these poor lost souls from looking quite so lazy /dumb. So bring on the Ussies and Ukies! Yay.

In other news, my Swiss great-grandfather risked his life to help the Allies, not the Germans, still he felt it was the right thing to do. And there were others, all of whom my generation is proud of, but their peers and those just after felt a sense of shame because they were told that they had risked everyone's safety with their actions. So you can stop bloody sticking everyone in the same pot, ok? Saying that someone can either adapt to a place or leave it has absolutely nothing to do with being a national socialist, but with common sense. Most people get along with the rules, the limited space and many people in it make it necessary to stick to them.

I don't understand the inability to move logically in public either by the way, exactly because of this lack of space thing, neither do most of my Swiss friends. We've all decided to just bump into the lost sheep on Bahnhofstrasse, shout at those blocking the left side and exit of escalators and forcefully move stupidly placed shopping trolleys/prams - the rationale being that they have to learn SOMEHOW that they are acting like total idiots. I don't give a damn if you think we are rude because of it, switch your blooming brain ON before leaving the safety of your home. You snooze, you lose. Except if you are an old person, then you get help. Incidentally, this is the sort of thing we were taught in school, a long time ago, when the curriculum still had a strong emphasis on making a good and fairly sensible citizen out of you and most kids still went to the scouts/Christian scout equivalent/spent their time in another useful way on a Saturday afternoon rather than sit glued to a computer console.

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Not really. Go back and re-read the posts in chronological order. By the way, Fox is paying really well. You should consider it, too. You could be the next Glenn Beck. I heard he is leaving the show.
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@ dumb_american: So far, you have written 17 posts on this forum, issued 9 groans and been thanked once. Besides that you're way in the red blobbies. I have written 1457 posts, been thanked 1784 times and haven't given a single groan. It's not the numbers, it's the proportions that should ring a bell.

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@ dumb_american: So far, you have written 17 posts on this forum, issued 9 groans and been thanked once. Besides that you're way in the red blobbies. I have written 1457 posts, been thanked 1784 times and haven't given a single groan. It's not the numbers, it's the proportions that should ring a bell.
What is this, a numbers competition ? I thought this was a thread where expats could express their opinion regarding the swiss people. Obviously, you have nothing meaningful to contribute here, therefore you are counting the number of thanks and groans. Soon you will start a pissing contest?
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What is this, a numbers competition ? I thought this was a thread where expats could express their opinion regarding the swiss people. Obviously, you have nothing meaningful to contribute here, therefore you are counting the number of thanks and groans. Soon you will start a pissing contest?
Before you get banned completely, why don't you introduce yourself formally and try to show your positive side?
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whether or not the rumors are true depends upon the rumor and where you are in the country. just like with any other rumor about any other country.
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