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We eat our horses (and dogs while we're at it) and shoot our young.

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Indeed the Swiss have the festival of Knabenschiessen (shooting up kids, or kids shooting up, or something like that) to separate the strongest in the gene pool.
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Yes, they win BIG prizes, too! Good luck to them - I couldn't hit a cow's bum with a banjo.
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Pff, I never went to the Knabenschiessen because by the time they let girls shoot, I was too old to do it.
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Pff, I never went to the Knabenschiessen because by the time they let girls shoot, I was too old to do it.
With that attitude I wouldn't let you handle a weapon
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The Swiss seem to have this inherent fear of travellling backwards on trains and trams *snip*
Inherent? Nuhuh, figure it's nurture more than nature. Akin to draughts causing colds.

1) Travelling backwards as a kid that can't see out the window, especially on a bumpy and winding road, can lead to a nice case of travel sickness, of the variety. Something to do with the brain anticipating no motion and the inner ear sending conflicting real data.
2) Travelling backwards when being able to see out causes eye muscle fatigue and in some cases drowsiness due to the jumping from focus to focus point. Well, to a bigger extent than when travelling forward.
3) Mom and Granma telling kids to get seated facing forward lest they get sick. Oh, and the view to keep 'em quiet.

Then an unrelated reason: we live in a place with a view. It's more enjoyable when you can see the mountains, lakes or whatever coming into view from afar. Especially if you're not of the staring persuasion.
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Yes, they win BIG prizes, too! Good luck to them - I couldn't hit a cow's bum with a banjo.
Psst! You have to switch the safety on yer banjo from "S" to "F"
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Well they only let girls shoot as of 1991 (twenty years after they allowed the female vote, they take their time with innovation) and ok, I would have been the right age but by the time they told us at school that things had changed, it was kind of too late.

If there is one rumour about Switzerland that is true, then it is that opportunities are not exactly equal for both sexes. Maybe that's why they didn't want us to be able to shoot well?

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Psst! You have to switch the safety on yer banjo from "S" to "F"
Guess who has just sprayed her screen with water?
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Ummmm. . am I mistaken or can't you see things out of the window when you're traveling with your back facing the direction the train is moving? I personally have never been on a train where I couldn't see out the window in the backwards position. And I'm not quite sure I understand how watching things move away from your eyes would be worse than watching things quickly coming towards your eyes. Oh, I know. We're just more used to seeing things coming at us so those muscles are more developed. Hell, we should be making our kids sit backwards so they can equally develop both types of eye muscles.

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Inherent? Nuhuh, figure it's nurture more than nature. Akin to draughts causing colds.

1) Travelling backwards as a kid that can't see out the window, especially on a bumpy and winding road, can lead to a nice case of travel sickness, of the variety. Something to do with the brain anticipating no motion and the inner ear sending conflicting real data.
2) Travelling backwards when being able to see out causes eye muscle fatigue and in some cases drowsiness due to the jumping from focus to focus point. Well, to a bigger extent than when travelling forward.
3) Mom and Granma telling kids to get seated facing forward lest they get sick. Oh, and the view to keep 'em quiet.

Then an unrelated reason: we live in a place with a view. It's more enjoyable when you can see the mountains, lakes or whatever coming into view from afar. Especially if you're not of the staring persuasion.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Now THAT's sensible parenting, considering the kids' eye-muscles, it should be mandatory! Same goes for language by the way, if you keep switching what your kids talk, their brain develops differently, as well as their vocalisation skills. As in, they get really good at it.

For more exciting facts from the field of Biological, Abnormal, Personality, Social, General and/or Developmental Psychology, feel free to start a thread. We seem to be getting a little off-topic. But then that would cover the non-stiff banter cravings, right?
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Inherent? Nuhuh, figure it's nurture more than nature. Akin to draughts causing colds.

1) Travelling backwards as a kid that can't see out the window, especially on a bumpy and winding road, can lead to a nice case of travel sickness, of the variety. Something to do with the brain anticipating no motion and the inner ear sending conflicting real data.
2) Travelling backwards when being able to see out causes eye muscle fatigue and in some cases drowsiness due to the jumping from focus to focus point. Well, to a bigger extent than when travelling forward.
3) Mom and Granma telling kids to get seated facing forward lest they get sick. Oh, and the view to keep 'em quiet.

Then an unrelated reason: we live in a place with a view. It's more enjoyable when you can see the mountains, lakes or whatever coming into view from afar. Especially if you're not of the staring persuasion.
I agree with your points per se but this is based on my daily commute to Zug and it's more your 50-60 year old ladies who often explain in great detail how it makes them queasy or dizzy sitting backwards on a train (too much detail at 8.00 in the morning). I'd never heard of this kind of queasyness-inducing train seat when I was back in the UK commuting in and out of the city, but to be fair the intercity trains in the UK have all forward facing seats so maybe this is the reason I hadn't heard of it before.
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...but to be fair the intercity trains in the UK have all forward facing seats so maybe this is the reason I hadn't heard of it before.
Until the return journey .
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Oh My gowd!!,
Somethings are soooooooooooooo true like people never ever minding their business! and idiotically following the rules. I am at times biting my tounge for not lashing out or swearing outloud. The thing about the rubbish bin is sooooooo true. I mean it is not enough that one has to get a specific bin liner and put the specific items in it in specific way , one also has to put it out to specific places tied in specific way, as for whingieng , really no other nation can overtake us Brits look at us
Of course i am loving for one to rely on the timetable of the public transport , one can even correct ones watch with it!! The wheather is sooooooooooooooo much better, with great outdoor pools and rivers and lakes ans do forth. And so far the swiss chavs are sooooooooo much more civil as opposed to the morons we have in the UK. Lets talk about what precedes UK here , starting wit the minimum wage, i mean after all "What good romans ever did for us" sitiuatian innit!!!
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Well they only let girls shoot as of 1991 (twenty years after they allowed the female vote, they take their time with innovation) and ok, I would have been the right age but by the time they told us at school that things had changed, it was kind of too late.

If there is one rumour about Switzerland that is true, then it is that opportunities are not exactly equal for both sexes. Maybe that's why they didn't want us to be able to shoot well?
Well the girls are now allowed to shoot for fun but they don't have to do military service. What kind of equality is that?
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Well the girls are now allowed to shoot for fun but they don't have to do military service. What kind of equality is that?
The kind that is trumped by gentlemanly chivalry...and/or common sense...?
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The kind that is trumped by gentlemanly chivalry...and/or common sense...?
In German it's called "Rosinenpicken", cherry picking. Women are all for equality but only when it suits them. They could do some other public service. And no, child bearing is no public service.
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...And no, child bearing is no public service.
I guess that depends on which members of the "public" are polled for opinion and when.

Seriously, since gender-based equality can't be realistically demanded where genders are unequivocally unequal (as in physical strength, generally speaking), I agree that "some other public service" is certainly an alternative option.

However, that can of worms (Wespennest?) also raises questions about those women not so militant about equality, and both men and women who prefer to retain men's role as protectors, u.s.w. ...
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wow, quite a few hurtful prejudices in this thread, I am astonished at how some people see us!! I believe that there are lovely and nasty people everywhere you go and think to say "the Swiss are like this / like that" is silly unless you can confidently say that you know every single one of us. I can say with good consciense that a lot of the things said here about the Swiss do not ring true for me, anyone in my family or any of my friends.
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wow, quite a few hurtful prejudices in this thread, I am astonished at how some people see us!! I believe that there are lovely and nasty people everywhere you go and think to say "the Swiss are like this / like that" is silly unless you can confidently say that you know every single one of us. I can say with good consciense that a lot of the things said here about the Swiss do not ring true for me, anyone in my family or any of my friends.
This is primarily a forum about Switzerland so comments are bound to focus in on Switzerland, the Swiss and their culture. It usually goes something like this. Original poster comments about specific experience which he (perhaps justifiably) needs to get off his chest. That's healthy and is part of the great strengths of this forum. But inevitably as the thread builds and the further away you get from the original post, the risk is fact can become assumption, assumption can becomes opinion, opinions become generalisations, generalisations become stereotypes. Easily done in an open forum like this from behind the anonymity of an avatar. It can be offensive but don't take it too much to heart. It's no excuse for negative stereotyping but it's human nature once the pack instinct kicks in. If this was a forum for foreign people living in the UK, France, Germany or any other country it would be much the same. Usually someone steps in eventually and reminds the forum to take a reality check, recalls the positives and points out exactly what you have said. Moderators do a good job at this as do many other members. If you participate in the forum regularly I hope you'll find that there is a good healthy balance. I hope you do do. We could use more contribution from Swiss members. And many negative stereotyping comments which don't ring true for you don't ring true for a lot of us non-Swiss living here either. We all have our off days but a lot of us think Switzerland is a great place to live.
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They are good folks. maybe not as cool as those that I used to know and it takes them time to break ice with other foreigners but there are ways bro... to get to them
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wow, quite a few hurtful prejudices in this thread, I am astonished at how some people see us!! .
The posts are subjective opinions. The basis for them are personal experiences. Therefore, I don't think the points they make are anything anyone can refute. This isn't a conspiracy. Disparate people invariably express similar experiences. Rather than try to refute the points that are made, it might be easier for you to try to understand by looking at how these opinions might have formed.

I've met foreigners here who come from all levels of society within their home country. Those who come with higher expectations seem to complain the most here. Those who were not happy with their status in their home country seem to have the least complaints here.

If you are Swiss, and you read these complaints, your first response is probably to get offended. You'd probably like to scream "Go home!". But there is a merit in the complaint you probably overlooked. Ironically, I believe most of the complaints come from individuals venting frustration over their attempts at integrating here. In other words, they WANT to integrate but can't!

I'm sure most would agree there are certain characteristics of Swiss culture that make it challenging for foreigners to integrate. The joke of it all is that the foreigners never really will integrate. They can achieve citizenship status, but they never really will become Swiss, will they?

The foreigners here are now a sub-culture of Switzerland. But there is a tendency among some of the local Swiss to treat the foreigners as an underclass. The problem with that idea is that many of the foreigners are highly educated, highly skilled and have a much broader life experience. If anything, some foreigners feel the Swiss need to learn a thing or two.
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