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I have lived in Vancouver Canada for 17years and have now lived in Switzerland for 1.5 years (I'm originally British). We have two children aged 11 years and 8 years. Although I'm enjoying my time in Switzerland, I cannot see myself living here permanently, whereas I certainly can see that in Canada having lived closer to the U.K I know raising a family in the U.K isn't something I would want. I certainly feel confident with the schooling in Vancouver it is sometimes challenging with the Asian population as they certainly have strong work ethics and do well at school. My daughter was the only girl with fair hair at the local youth orchestra!! I have to say that the opportunities for children are incredible, Library services anf community centres are amazing.
A very big problem in Vancouver is the down town eastside, drug issues, alcohol and social housing problems.

For me, the major things that Switzerland has better than Canada is the public transport and the wildly different cultures within the country and the rest of Europe.

However, Vancouver has many attractions, too. In particular, the people are much more relaxed and easy-going very big into outdoor activites, the cost of living is much cheaper (although this is not as true in Vancouver as in the rest of Canada), the bars are smoke-free (although I hope that Switzerland will catch up some time soon in that aspect), getting citizenship is certainly FAR easier in Canada, and becoming part of the community and being accepted requires a lot less effort in Canada than it does here. You can really get away from things in Canada, taking a hiking or canoe trip into the mounatins can get you to a beautiful campsite miles and miles away from any other form of civilization.

The two countries certainly have several positive things in common: they are both generally safe and both have great scenery and mountains to play in. However, Switzerland's mountain are far more accessible - if I want to go hiking I can take public transport to almost any trailhead, or I can go road-biking almost anywhere in the mountains, neither of which are possible in Canada (the mountain biking is certainly better in Canada, though - they have more room for it).



The info that you've heard about owning a house is certainly true - this is very easy to do in Canada, and I believe that 5% or 10% is the normal downpayment.

Anyway, I hope that you're happy regardless of where you decide to be.

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Preevyet Cap'n Black:

Difficult decision (forgive me for being obvious). You've gotten a lot of good advice from other forum members, so forgive me if I'm being repetitious.

I'm Canadian, lived in Canada for 31 years, the US for 3, and Switzerland now for 2 1/2. Came here for family reasons (Swiss wife, now 1/2 Swiss kid) and am enjoying it. Some things to consider, droga.

-Swiss taxes are much lower (at least in Provins Valais). In the 80 K CAD range you'll be looking at a graduated tax up to 40+% in Canada. British Columbia when I left CA 5 1/2 years ago had among the highest taxes in the country (after Quebec).
-Switzerland will have a much more European feel to it than Canada (again...obvious), especially outside of Quebec...if that's what you look for...some do (my wife does).
-Switzerland is much more multi-lingual than Canada. Even in Quebec (forgive my continued reference) they are strongly French Canadian. English is more tolerated there than French is in Alberta where I'm from, but Canada is quite...unilingual really for a bilingual country officially.
-Another poster mentioned that Alberta (English speaking, diverse environment, lots of oil, cows and tech work) is booming. Absolutely true. Should be very easy to find work there for both you and your wife.
-Canada is multicultural. Even though some of us will talk about 'real Canadians' being in a minority in Vancouver, we are all real Canadians. There is a strong Russian/Ukranian community in Edmonton and Calgary (both in Alberta) and moreso in other cities as well. Being from Eastern Europe is not a taboo there. Sometimes, I hear that it is more difficult here, especially for kids.
-It will be easier to become a citizen in Canada. If you have more kids there, they will automatically become Canadians.
-Way easier to buy a house in Canada once you establish credit (also relatively easy in a few months time). Do, though, be careful of the American influence of 'over credit'. Companies will sometimes give you just enough rope to hang you with.
-More crime in Canada. Amateurs compared to our neighbours to the south...but compared to here it's the streets of Chicago (nb, compared to Tokyo, its the OK Corral).
-Education system much different than over here, and some fall through the cracks. Honestly, it was my experience that conscientious parents (not mine, of course) make the difference. I have a graduate degree from a Canadian university and I'm a little dumb...but not too bad from time to time.
-Health care system in Canada: way cheaper (some fees in some provinces, mostly state covered), very good professionals involved (wait for it, though), nasty wait times for specialists and specialty procedures/diagnostics, etc (a function of lack of funding, beurocratic crap or whatever due to socialized medicine). I'm told it's turning a corner though.
-People? Like everywhere...some bulletheads and some awesome folks. Most in the middle. Another poster said we spend a lot of time comparing ourselves to Americans. Almost true. We would except that we're just like Americans...just better educated and more polite (small joke there, I think I only compared us to Americans 4 or 5 times, no?).

Schto ti hocheesh dylat? If it were me...I don't know. My wife and I often flip a coin to decide things like this (no kidding). I do know this, though. I have a lot of Russian friends. Those in the upper class want to move to Switzerland. Those in the lower class can't really afford to move anywhere...unless they're involved in something they shouldn't be...then they want to move to Switzerland. Those in the middle class who want to leave Russia are applying for Green Cards to the US or looking for 'Landed Immigrant' status in Canada.

Good luck Captain.

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good post here. Now in Canada they are called permanent residents, much better than the landed term they used to have.
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Hi Danny,

Do you mean do I have to choose where to live?? Well, yes, actually I do, I can only live in one place at a time.. Sorry I am not sure if I understand your question?? But at the moment, just to make it clear, I would choose Canada, but it is not that easy just to pick up and move in regards to finding new jobs etc...But yes I do agree with you both CH and Canada have both good qualities. But in the end, we do have to choose where to live..
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how about alternating between CH and Canada ?
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I haven't read the whole thread, but I am Canadian and Swiss. I grew up in Vancouver, spent 4.5 years in Montreal, and been living in Switzerland off and on for the past 5 years or so.

Both are def fabulous countries to live in. Canada seems a bit more fluid, flexible, easy-going, more cultural diversity, longer store and business opening hours (can go shopping anytime virtually), and even cleaner than Switzerland (especially in Vancouver). Housing is really expensive in Vancouver, but housing is also expensive in CH so not too much difference there. Depending on what work you have, there's great work opportunities on the west coast right now, the economy is booming. On the other hand, Switzerland is really efficient, a bit more bureaucratic, small country so easy to get to any place and visit neighbouring countries, multi-lingual, amazing transportation system, European culture.

I'd say spend some time in Canada and see if it suits you. There's def pros and cons to both countries.
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Education- university education is excellent and Canadian diplomas are generally respected abroad, but secondary education SUCKS!

Foreign language learning is very bad, except few French and English immersion schools. If you want your kid to get good education in European style, you have to pay 7-10 K a year for a private school, no kidding.

In high school, the kids study 4-5 subjects! You can choose to study ridiculous subjects like Science! Can you imagine Science in grade 10 or 11?! A course in which you study a mixture of physics, chemistry, biology. I don't want to offend my Canadian friends, but this is pathetic! In Bulgaria, since grade 7, it is mandatory to take physics, chemistry, biology, and in 11 grade- astronomy. Science as a generic course is taken up to 6th grade, that's it! Education in history, geography, math, I don't even want to comment.

If you ask me for one big reason that I want to leave Canada for, that is education. I don't want my future kids to study here.
I don't agree with you on this point. I had my high school education in Canada, as well as university, and Canada is consistently ranked among the top countries for languages, literacy, writing, etc. Sciences and maths not as high, but starting in grade 8 you take a larger variety of subjects, and the student can choose to go more into maths or sciences, or humanistic studies like languages, history, art, etc. By the end I was taking separate classes for english, geography, history, art, language, etc. You can also select to take separate classes for Chemistry, Biology, Calculus, Physics, etc. So I actually think it's more flexible to the student's talents and strengths. I think it is entirely pointless to force a child to take all those science classes, for example, when their strengths lie in the humanistic field. You are required to take mathematics and a general science course until the 11th grade, so it's not like you will remain completely ignorant in that field.

I think the Canadian way of teaching students is actually better than in Europe, it's more team oriented and there are a lot of group projects and independent work that is done, which is lacking somewhat in Switzerland.
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I think the Canadian way of teaching students is actually better than in Europe,.
Yeah, the kids stay in school all day long instead of coming home for a 2 hour lunch and having some days off, just to screw-up the stay at home moms (or dads).
The education system is superior, it is the lack of jobs that make people leave. Gov't doesn't give incentive for entrepreneurs, only stuff the tax man in your wallet!
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MissChievous, don't even make me start my rant against Canadian education. I don't know how it was when you graduated a high school here, but let me tell you that now it is more than pathetic! Practically the kids don't study at all in the public system. The teachers are more babysitters than teachers!

My wife just had an internship in a Catholic school in Ontario. She had to teach a mixed group of 4th and 5th graders all subjects, except French. I have heard about 18th and 19th century schools in the Ottoman Empire that mixed students of different age and level but nowadays, it is unacceptable. One teacher to teach all subjects up to 6th grade is also unacceptable, because nobody is qualified to be a specialist in everything unless the material is too basic.

And that's the problem, the taught material is way too basic! The teacher cannot fail the students, the teacher cannot make a student solve a math problem or write his/her homework if the student does not want to do it. How do you call this, a school or a summer camp?! In fact, my wife was discouraged to give any homework at all. Up until 9th grade, many students have no homework at their schools. Instead of studying the students "have to have fun." Yeah, right! This is pathetic! Team work is total crap if it is the predominant method, as it is in Canada! The only way to learn something is to sit on your butt and study, not to go home and colour the national coat of arms of Canada together with another 5 students and then download the lyrics of the Canadian national anthem and attach it to the team project. This could be done in 1st or 2nd grade, but in 6th or 7th grade, come oooooooon!

The credit system and the glorifying of the North American system for the opportunity it gives to the students to choose where to specialize is also ridiculous. The options are for the university level when the students have a good knowledge basis! How can someone specialize in humanities when they do not know anything about chemistry or any other science?! Even if you want to specialize in history, you cannot take history both terms each year. Now what kind of specialization is that?!
What I studied in 8th grade in Physics and Chemistry in Eastern Europe, they study it in Canada in 12th grade. Sorry, but this is how “advanced” the Canadian system is!

Please, have a look of the history curriculum of a British school for 7th-11 grade:
http://www.bournemouth-school.bournemouth.sch.uk/history/index.htm

I don't know how they measure literacy skills in these international rankings but I have a number of 2nd year university students, native English speakers, who do not make a difference between its and it's, succeed and secede and who panic if they have to solve something basic without a calculator.

As a result of this pathetic system, the university professors waste the first two years at university to teach the students what they have not studied at their high school and this creates stress for the students, because they have a lot of material to learn in order to be able to comprehend the advanced material in their chosen field. Basically, what they study in the mentioned above British school, I have to teach it to my 2nd year Canadian university students. I also have to explain that in 1902, there was no Soviet Union and that Germany does not border Turkey and other basic facts that obviously had to be known from the high school.

Unfortunately, this is the policy of both US and Canadian governments, a bad public education which creates a huge mass of ignorant people, who are easy to be lied and manipulated by both politicians and businessmen. That is why you can meet tons of people, who do not know the number of the Canadian provinces or how many sides a triangle has, or think that a country starting with U could be Utah, Utopia or Yugoslavia. Only a handful of people, who go to college and university have the chance to get a normal education. It is sad, but unfortunately this is true.

It is a personal choice and everybody has the freedom to choose to go to a North American high school, but I am determined to educate my children in Europe, where the children receive a secondary education with a solid knowledge in at least 10-14 subjects. I want my children to go to school and get real knowledge not to go to a day care center to have fun and play all day with “very important team projects.”

To Captain Black: If you decided to go to Canada, make sure your kids go to a private school. North American universities on the other hand are top class.
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As a Canadian who has lived in Canada, Ireland, Switzerland and the middle east I would suggest you be cautiously optimisitc about the great life you will have in Canada. I love Canada and I will move back as it is my home but I dont believe the hype that it is that great of a place to live. My most recent Canadian stint ended last year after 6 years in Toronto and I was happy there, but am happier to be here.

A few things to think about....... taxes are high, 80,000K is not alot of money you will only take home about 60K, and if you own a home you will have property taxes, utility bills and user fees, plus things like pension contribution and costs for supplementary health care & dental (if your company does not cover it) which does not leave alot of 'fun money' if you want to enjoy the nicer things in life. Also, dont forget taxes are not inlcuded in the price of daily items so you have to add 10-13% depending on where you live. Cities are expensive, nice affordable housing in most cities is hard to find, and public transport is expensive for what you get.

I think you will like Canada but just be weary, it has changed alot in the last 5-10yrs, and the wholesome peaceful great white north, isnt quite what it was.
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Hi! I'm new to this forum. I am so surprised to find someone who is in an exact cross-road as we are with a newly approved Canadian PR, a great job in Switzerland, an aim to obtain another passport and the unwillingness to wait for 10 years to get it in Switzerland. We've three years to decide.

For us, we'll wait to see whether the job search for my spouse yields result. He's a St. Gallen graduate but he's here on spousal permit so we're not sure of his chance in landing a job.

Enough rambling. Just to say how amazed I am to find someone is such a similar position and thanks for the thread. It's very helpful.
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Hi! I'm new to this forum. I am so surprised to find someone who is in an exact cross-road as we are with a newly approved Canadian PR, a great job in Switzerland, an aim to obtain another passport and the unwillingness to wait for 10 years to get it in Switzerland. We've three years to decide.

For us, we'll wait to see whether the job search for my spouse yields result. He's a St. Gallen graduate but he's here on spousal permit so we're not sure of his chance in landing a job.

Enough rambling. Just to say how amazed I am to find someone is such a similar position and thanks for the thread. It's very helpful.
Hi!

Yes, we have received our Canadian PR's a year after we have moved to Switzerland. We could reject them, but since we've spend lots of time and money, we took decision to go further and entered the country in 2006. Canada has impressed us so much...ocean (we went to Vancouver and Victoria), friendly people and great nature...

We still have a bit more than one year to move to Canada - however, it's not easy anymore, after 3,5 years in Switzerland... Good job here and nothing over there, spouse's and kids language (they speaks only French, no English), loans (oh, yeah!), etc... Sure, it's possible to manage everything somehow, but will it make us happier...we don't know...

Somebody said - "Our life - is that happens to us, until we making plans..."

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Im a canadian from the prairies relatively new to switzerland but spent 3 years in germany...well if it was germany vs. swiss i would say swiss. swiss vs. CAN....tough one

canada is huge....if you havent been there for a while or arent from there....trust me you have no clue how huge it is. some german friends of mine went to Canada for the summer....when they came back to germany the only thing i heard for 2 weeks was...."its just so damn big!" so it really depends what for work or play...what for climate...how much you are willing to spend (housing, food, etc)

education sucks in canada, but i consider most western countries' public education below par so im not the best person to ask (i was homeschooled which is legal in canada unlike many other places. i highly recommend homeschooling. it is a huge amount of work but the results are worth it. )

taxes are less in switzerland but as an albertan, when we buy something we only have to deal with the 5% government sales tax, unlike many other provinces.

health care is slow but works in canada...i couldnt believe how much krankenkasse costs here.

there are very few people in canada considering its size. seriously. thats why i emphasize it. most people dont realize this. once you step outside of the cities you may be the only person around for KILOMETERS. no joke. oddly enough that is one of the things i miss is that, yes, i may have to drive to get there but i can drive an hour and when i reach my destination i will be the only person there. no dogs sniffing me....no racing mountainbikers every 2 minutes whipping by. if you are not used to the claustrophobia of big cities or small countries with tons of people in them...like me....you find that there are simply too many people in switzerland. if you are used to it, though...stay in switzerland or move to one of the big cities in canada. remember flying vancouver to toronto is like flying london moscow....if not further....and there is at most 8 or 9 million people TOTAL between Van and Tor unlike europe.

nature. cant beat canada. do not fret regarding dangerous wildlife. they are more scared of you than you are of them. i grew up deep in the prairies. i have heard once but never seen a rattlesnake in the wild. i have seen a bear once for about 1 second in the several summers i have spent in the mountains. i miss giant flocks of canadian geese migrating and honking. we have birds besides the pidgeons that crap on my balcony here in basel. northern lights, stars, etc are a bonus of living in canada. ok maybe not noticable in inner city toronto but outside that...WOW!

weather. canada has weather unlike most of europe. depending on where you are summer can be +40, winters -40. (could never understand the whining about the weather here. for pete's sake, its -5 stop acting like we are in siberia without shoes.) ice storms, massive thunderstorms (the ones that sound like you are in the middle of an artillery regiment), tornados, blizzards, chinooks (where it goes from -20 to +5 over night), gives a general overview of our more interesting weather.

hockey is better in canada than in switzerland.

people may be friendlier in canada but i actually found swiss more friendly than germans so no worries.

ya...ive been rambling for a while now....i may seem all rah rah canada but thats becuase i havent been back in over 2 years. in fact i dont think i will ever move back. the politics annoy the hell out of me, the general superficial niceness. at least in europe...people you can get away with calling idiots usually have some kind of philosophy or ideology. back home they are just plain idiots...which somehow makes them harder to bear.
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Thanks for interesting message Canxpat!

I have to say that I born in USSR - so, I know quite well what is a big country

We're interesting in going to western Canada and namely to Vancouver or Victoria. We've been there already in 2006 and found the B.C. very nice - similar to Switzerland, but with OCEAN....
We do lots of scuba diving (I do cold water diving every week in Geneva's lake).. so, ocean is only a plus for us. ) Also it's much closer to all Pacific diving resort from Vancouver...if you have money..hehe

We liked people in Canada - smiling and friendly (not like in Moscow or Geneva), I guess it's relatively easy to find a job for me in Vancouver (I am IT expert) - so, we probably will try....
We only close to our 40 - so, why not to try at least? Our kids can learn English - they are young enough...

Same time it's not bad here in Switzerland and my company wants to see me here too... it's hard choice I would say...
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[quote=Canxpat;170246]Im a canadian from the prairies relatively new to switzerland but spent 3 years in germany...well if it was germany vs. swiss i would say swiss. swiss vs. CAN....tough one


taxes are less in switzerland but as an albertan, when we buy something we only have to deal with the 5% government sales tax, unlike many other provinces.

health care is slow but works in canada...i couldnt believe how much krankenkasse costs here.

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All this is ok but what's the work and job scene like in Canada as one cannot just enjoy the nature and ocean. What are the salaries like ? What are the salaries like for new immigrants to Canada ?

What is the business climate like for finance and related areas ? More input is needed on this than just the oceans and rivers.

We need someone to ramble on about work and jobs in Canada vs Switzerland.
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we have birds besides the pidgeons that crap on my balcony here in basel
I've been to Canada and loved it and I don't know about birds in Basel but there are certainly nice birds in Switzerland. The ones I particularly like and see regularly are white storks, red kites, grey herons, great crested grebes and huge starling swarms. Maybe the prettiest bird is the european kingfisher but it's rare and I've only seen it once. Actually I only really started seeing birds when I began cycling.
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Hi,
We spent 4 years living in CH and have now been in Canada for 1 year. I am English with 2 primary aged kids.

In summary and from my experience only!
Taxes far higher, food as expensive (apart from red meat of course - we overdosed the first few months), people more laid back, health care is a state system but seems to work OK but slow.
People are less interested in their houses (unlike the British) and spend a lot of time playing - I think this is due to the long cold winters, In summer you are in the Great Outdoors - hiking, biking, walking, boating or camping but never inside!
In winter people are always skating or playing hockey. (The fit ones anyway). We are having a nice time with all the activities but as one poster said, it is a huge country. You can drive for 3 days and still not be out of one province!
The kids have settled well and are fully integrated here.

I really enjoyed our CH time and love Europe - it was a fabulous experience for us all. We still miss the Alps and the fact that it is in the heart of Europe, but on balance for our family, Canada is a better place to be.

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I have lived most of my life in Toronto, Canada and spent a few summers in Malta, UK and of course Switzerland where I am moving to before this summer. (Zürich)

I suppose if you live in a place long enough, certain things can really get to you... Sometimes all someone might need to be happy is a fresh start some place else. I have not lived in other parts of Canada, so it is unfair for me to paint the entire nation with one brush, but I think I can comment on Toronto as I have spent most of my life here and am really itching to leave.

With me, I really got sick of the lousy joke they call transportation infrastructure in the greater Toronto area. It is by far the WORST I have seen in any major city I have spent considerable time in. The public transit is a total disorganized, disjointed mess. The underground subways only really run along 2 main streets. (JUST ONE main line East to West and then the ONE main one North and South) If you venture into nearby suburbs, guess what? You are paying another fare and have to waste more time changing systems. Then you got the highways that are massively congested at almost all hours. Basically, efficiently getting from point A to point B is impossible unless you are lucky enough to live right along the subway line and your workplace or destination is also. Another problem is the GTA is a sprawling mess of soulless concrete that extends out extremely far covering a massive distance. Going out anywhere can become extremely draining for this reason because you cannot just get up and go anywhere without it being a massive ordeal.

Then you got the taxes in Toronto. Ludicrously high. They have just introduced yet another cute property tax. Soon to follow will be added fees to use the highways.

Then we have the cheapskate heartless employers. You will not be paid what you are worth and you will be given very little vacation time. It took me 10 years at the same company to earn 4 weeks. My wife JUST started a new job in Zürich and was given 5 weeks vacation to start!!!!! Talk about a slap in the face! hahaha.

Another severely overrated thing we have here is the health care system. Everyone raves about it but I do not think it is the most efficient. I suffer from Crohn's disease and getting a specialist can take anywhere from 6 months to 1 year. I once waited OVER 1 year to see a hearing specialist. Sure it is "free" (which is another lie because it comes out of your obscene tax) , but what good is "free" health care once your problem has degenerated for almost another year untreated?!?!?

Bottom line, if you are choosing Canada, go to Montreal, go to Vancouver, just go anywhere BUT Toronto!!!!!!

Sorry for the rant but if I can save ONE person from moving to Toronto it will have been worth it.
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Yep, the transport in CH is fantastic and all integrated.

Some of the issues you mentioned John above are inherent in all major cities. I lived in London for 4 years without kids and the same issues are true there too. With a young family I would not choose to live in a major city though

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Old 12.02.2008, 21:20
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Hi Captain Black and others,
I am Russian. Last year I moved from Lausanne to Calgary after spending 3 years in Switzerland. This was a heaven on earth except that Russians are not really welcome by administration. I had permis B for 2 years and in the last year they gave me permit L (I did not change working place, position, nothing). I was extremely afraid of going back to Russia one day, so I decided to move to Canada as a permanent resident. That's what I did. Maybe, it was just a mistake to go to Calgary, but I am thinking to change the city. What I find extremely nice in Canada - people. I have never thought that people could be so nice, sometimes I even can not believe myself. But. I miss Switzerland like crazy. I miss beautiful architecture, proximity to everything, churches do not ring the bells, you can not hear cow bells in the mountains, long-long list... Prices are very high, I spend the same money to do my groceries, except for meat (which is 5-10 dollars per kilo). Rent of a one bed room apartment is 1000 dollars (vs. 900 SFr in Lausanne). To wash my clothes, I paid 1.80 SFR in Switzerland for 1.5 hrs of washing, and here it is 2.50 CAD for 30 min!!! And the salary is 43 K vs. 80 K. in Switzerland!!! I am sure, if I had come here directly from Russia, I would just love everything, but after Switzerland... Of course, I will stay here now, I will get my citizenship, Canadian experience, and probably, then will move back to Switzerland. Who knows, maybe I will like it here finally: I have been in Calgary only for 5 months. I really feel sorry that I am going just to "use" Canada to move back to Switzerland but really, I did not have this intention when I came here. I hope to be useful to Canada during these several years, I mean, by working hard and volunteering. But I WANT GO BACK TO SWITZERLAND!!!
Good luck to you!!!
(And I am sorry if I offended any Canadians here, I know guys, you are really the best people in the world, but my heaven is just in Switzerland...)
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Old 13.02.2008, 20:03
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43K after taxes ?

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And the salary is 43 K vs. 80 K. in Switzerland!!!
Good luck to you!!!
(And I am sorry if I offended any Canadians here, I know guys, you are really the best people in the world, but my heaven is just in Switzerland...)[/QUOTE]
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Before. Minus 25% taxes. I have a Ph.D. but they do not care here as far as I do not have a Canadian professional certificate (which Canadians get almost automatically upon getting their Bachelors) and Canadian experience (Russian and Swiss work experience does not count here at all). It will take me 2 years more to get this certificate. After this, I can expect my salary to be 60 K. I do not speak about 2 weeks of vacations... Well, after Russia it is even a lot, but 5 weeks in Switzerland made me really happy...
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