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Re: Canada vs. Switzerland

true enough, a good debate is nice, but these one liner put downs that the person hasn't even looked into what they are talking about....not good. I enjoy hearing others opinions when they are well thought out, always nice to hear different versions.
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Re: Canada vs. Switzerland

I have seen Canada and Switzerland ,,
when u have lived in switzerland,,how could u think of going to canada!!!country with full of immigrants and struggle to live and neverending problems!my opinion is better to stay back in switzerland and visit canada for holidays!
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I have seen Canada and Switzerland ,,
when u have lived in switzerland,,how could u think of going to canada!!!country with full of immigrants and struggle to live and neverending problems!my opinion is better to stay back in switzerland and visit canada for holidays!

You point is??????????????????????

For many people, this is the richess of a country!
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Re: Canada vs. Switzerland

I've lived in Canada for 5 years and Switzerland on 2 separate occasions for a total of 3 years. I would choose Canada for a variety of reasons and Vancouver in particular.

1. Beauty. Vancouver is a stunningly beautiful place to live year round. While there are parts of Switzerland that match up, most does not.

2. Children. A better future for children. The public schooling up to High School is excellent and will give your kids the opportunity to go to University in Canada, the US or Europe. If you choose wisely, you can find a French language immersion school (public of course) and they will be bi-lingual.

3. Housing. It is easy and affordable to find a large (by Swiss standards), very well built house with plenty of yard space within easy commuting distance of Vancouver.

4. Healthcare. About on a par though it is much cheaper in Canada. It is true that lines for non emergency procedures are long and tedious; you can always opt out and go to the USA and pay. And if the medical need is there, you'll get great treatment and no bill.

5. Openness. Because everyone is from somewhere else (maybe 2nd or 3rd generation), Canada is very welcoming to newcomers. This is especially true on the West Coast (less so for Toronto which can be distincly unwelcoming to newcomers). Of course, certain parts of Switzerland are very open and accomodating to foreigners but this is very variable.

6. Size and Space. Canada is a vast coutnry with boundless opportunities for the outdoors person to enjoy nature. We took a sea kayak trip around part of Vancouver Island and saw no-one for 3 days. This is not possible in Switzerland.

On the downsides, people have mentioned the high taxes (especially true in British Columbia though I think you get what you pay for) and the climate. Vancouver is a beneficiary of global warming and it is possible to find communities within a short commute of Vancouver that have a micr-climate with less rain than the downtown areas. Good luck with your choice.
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Good luck with your choice.
Nice summary. Very well thought-out. Please keep in mind though that the post originated in January 2007 so they've likely made up their mind by now...
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Nice summary. Very well thought-out. Please keep in mind though that the post originated in January 2007 so they've likely made up their mind by now...
Interesting reading this thread anyway. I can't believe 4 pages of comparisons, and nobody mentioned hockey or beer as a reason to move to Canada ...sure, schools, jobs, medical, etc. is important too....I guess

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Interesting reading this thread anyway. I can't believe 4 pages of comparisons, and nobody mentioned hockey or beer as a reason to move to Canada ...sure, schools, jobs, medical, etc. is important too....I guess

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Nobody mentioned it because you can get both in Switz. Lot of ice hockey teams and some beer too.
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Nice summary. Very well thought-out. Please keep in mind though that the post originated in January 2007 so they've likely made up their mind by now...
Not yet... We are leaving Switzerland in next few weeks and still deciding between going back to Russia or try move to Canada. Both places have own pros and contras for us - it's very-very hard choice. At the moment I would prefer to stay here in Switzerland, but it's not possible anymore...
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Not yet... We are leaving Switzerland in next few weeks and still deciding between going back to Russia or try move to Canada. Both places have own pros and contras for us - it's very-very hard choice. At the moment I would prefer to stay here in Switzerland, but it's not possible anymore...

Hi man,

I am Russian as well, lived in Switzerland for almost one year and finally I immigrated to Canada 1.5 years ago. If you have a choice, don’t hesitate and move to Canada. Thus summer I was in Russia and I know what I am taking about…

Well, posts before are quietly adequately described Canada. I would add only about taxes and mortgages. Taxes depend on province. In Alberta there are a few tax brackets – from 25% to 39%. Medical insurance is just $44 per person and $88 for family. Minimum mortgage downpayment is only 5%.

I need to say that Canada is a very good place I LIKE Canadians so much, but my personal preference is Switzerland. I just love this country, but unfortunately I didn’t have any opportunity to stay there (like all my Russian friends, nobody got permit “C”). I am going to obtain a Canadian citizenship and than move back to Switzerland. There is a very good point – Canadians are eligible for permit C only after 5 years.
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Nobody mentioned it because you can get both in Switz. Lot of ice hockey teams and some beer too.
Hmmm... the NHL versus the Swiss LNA...can't think of too many Canadian kids who dream of playing in the Swiss LNA

...but true, the hockey here isn't bad. Switz has been holding a steady 8th place in the world rankings, which is respectable. But really, it can't compare to Canada...
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Hmmm... the NHL versus the Swiss LNA...can't think of too many Canadian kids who dream of playing in the Swiss LNA

...but true, the hockey here isn't bad. Switz has been holding a steady 8th place in the world rankings, which is respectable. But really, it can't compare to Canada...
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you are right...but it is for those Canadian kids who do not make it to the NHL. They dream of playing in a national league.
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Old 26.09.2008, 18:44
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Re: Canada vs. Switzerland

Very long and interesting thread. I am American, but have been living in Switzerland now for over 20 years. About 10 years ago, me and my (British) wife were faced with the decision for me to accept a job offer back in the USA (California), or to stay in Switzerland. OK, it's not Canada, but I would like to describe our decision making process which I think can be useful regardless of where the other option to go is.

First, there are no absolutes. Everyone experiences a place completely differently based on personal history...for example, someone from Spain will think the weather here stinks (too cold), while a person from Finland will think the weather here is great (being originally from California myself I first thought the weather here was too cold, now 20 years later I think it is quite mild and I enjoy the distinct seasons, so even your own frame of reference changes with time).

The decision was close, and there were so many factors involved, that we decided to analyze the situation empirically, as opposed to making a decision based on emotion alone:

We decided to make a list of the 20 most important things about the ideal place to live. That's pretty easy to do, for example, you want things like low crime rate, nice weather, good public transportation, high quality water/air, access to nature, low tax, good pay, good schools, restaurants, culture, low housing cost, political stability, proximity to family, etc. etc. you get the idea. Anyone, or couple, can come up with a personal list pretty quick.

Now, print 2 copies of the list and independently (you and your significant other), weight the importance of each item on a scale of 1-10. The reason being, you may both decide, for example, that good public transporation is important, but you may decide it is much more important than your partner does.

Afterwards, average the weights you and your partner have made, and make a column of the average across from each criteria (use Excel).

Next: for each of the two locations in consideration, agree on a number between 1 and 10 as to how you rate it.....you can pretty much agree on this, for example, in Switzerland it is pretty easy to agree that public transportation on a scale of 1-10 is a 10. Come up with a number for each of the 20 criteria.

You are finished!! All you have to do is multiply the agreed 1-10 rating on each criteria, then multiply by the averaged weight, and the location with the highest number wins!!

We suprised ourselves, actually, with the result. Switzerland and N. California were in a dead heat, it turned out...with one show stopper...my wife's degree is not recognized in California, so her career would be essentially derailed....this showed up clearly in the point calculation, giving Switzerland a clear numerical edge over California!

We realised that although we could have bought a nice big house in California at the time, she would essentially sacrifice her career, sit at home, while I worked my ass off (with 2 wks vacation).

Our Decision: stay in Switzerland!!!

10 years later we still think it was the right thing to do.

For many others, the show-stopper would be proximity to family, which has nothing to do with intrinsic aspects of a place...so just do the calculation and the right decision becomes clear...takes maybe 2 hours.
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so even your own frame of reference changes with time).
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great and how often should one do this since the frame of reference and hence the stoppers change with time ? This is to ensure that the weights still hold.
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..the time to do the analysis is when the opportunity to change occurs, which is very rarely.
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Im a canadian from the prairies relatively new to switzerland but spent 3 years in germany...well if it was germany vs. swiss i would say swiss. swiss vs. CAN....tough one

canada is huge....if you havent been there for a while or arent from there....trust me you have no clue how huge it is. some german friends of mine went to Canada for the summer....when they came back to germany the only thing i heard for 2 weeks was...."its just so damn big!" so it really depends what for work or play...what for climate...how much you are willing to spend (housing, food, etc)

education sucks in canada, but i consider most western countries' public education below par so im not the best person to ask (i was homeschooled which is legal in canada unlike many other places. i highly recommend homeschooling. it is a huge amount of work but the results are worth it. )

taxes are less in switzerland but as an albertan, when we buy something we only have to deal with the 5% government sales tax, unlike many other provinces.

health care is slow but works in canada...i couldnt believe how much krankenkasse costs here.

there are very few people in canada considering its size. seriously. thats why i emphasize it. most people dont realize this. once you step outside of the cities you may be the only person around for KILOMETERS. no joke. oddly enough that is one of the things i miss is that, yes, i may have to drive to get there but i can drive an hour and when i reach my destination i will be the only person there. no dogs sniffing me....no racing mountainbikers every 2 minutes whipping by. if you are not used to the claustrophobia of big cities or small countries with tons of people in them...like me....you find that there are simply too many people in switzerland. if you are used to it, though...stay in switzerland or move to one of the big cities in canada. remember flying vancouver to toronto is like flying london moscow....if not further....and there is at most 8 or 9 million people TOTAL between Van and Tor unlike europe.

nature. cant beat canada. do not fret regarding dangerous wildlife. they are more scared of you than you are of them. i grew up deep in the prairies. i have heard once but never seen a rattlesnake in the wild. i have seen a bear once for about 1 second in the several summers i have spent in the mountains. i miss giant flocks of canadian geese migrating and honking. we have birds besides the pidgeons that crap on my balcony here in basel. northern lights, stars, etc are a bonus of living in canada. ok maybe not noticable in inner city toronto but outside that...WOW!

weather. canada has weather unlike most of europe. depending on where you are summer can be +40, winters -40. (could never understand the whining about the weather here. for pete's sake, its -5 stop acting like we are in siberia without shoes.) ice storms, massive thunderstorms (the ones that sound like you are in the middle of an artillery regiment), tornados, blizzards, chinooks (where it goes from -20 to +5 over night), gives a general overview of our more interesting weather.

hockey is better in canada than in switzerland.

people may be friendlier in canada but i actually found swiss more friendly than germans so no worries.

ya...ive been rambling for a while now....i may seem all rah rah canada but thats becuase i havent been back in over 2 years. in fact i dont think i will ever move back. the politics annoy the hell out of me, the general superficial niceness. at least in europe...people you can get away with calling idiots usually have some kind of philosophy or ideology. back home they are just plain idiots...which somehow makes them harder to bear.
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Interesting reading this thread anyway. I can't believe 4 pages of comparisons, and nobody mentioned hockey or beer as a reason to move to Canada ...sure, schools, jobs, medical, etc. is important too....I guess

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there is a reason for this : we don`t want anybody com over here and drink our beer
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there is a reason for this : we don`t want anybody com over here and drink our beer
well it is time to go and drink some of that. Any good websites for good airfares to Canada ?
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Right now air canada has return trips at 550 zurich-toronto plus tax
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BA is very cheap. Especially if booked from a non-Swiss website such as expedia.
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