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The new Pelagos has a new in-house movement made by Rolex. The previous version had ETA. I guess this will be also reflected in the price
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The new Pelagos has a new in-house movement made by Rolex. The previous version had ETA. I guess this will be also reflected in the price

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The new Pelagos has a new in-house movement made by Rolex. The previous version had ETA. I guess this will be also reflected in the price

I've just read that the price of the 25600TN will remain largely the same (around 4000 CHF), so this is pretty awesome. And it's also bad for me - I've been saving for a used Submariner for a while (and will be for some time), but now I'll have to decide between a new Pelagos and a used Submariner :-/
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Has anyone bought the 2nd gen Pelagos? My watch budget for this year is exhausted (bought a new Daytona and a pre-owned 16610 sub - don't tell the wife :-) but I'm still considering a Pelagos as a tool watch for when I do my PADI next year. I'm not convinced about the 5 lines of text. I saw a the blue version in a shop window in Zurich, but it's not really singing to me. I actually prefer the first gen.
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Has anyone bought the 2nd gen Pelagos? My watch budget for this year is exhausted (bought a new Daytona and a pre-owned 16610 sub - don't tell the wife :-) but I'm still considering a Pelagos as a tool watch for when I do my PADI next year. I'm not convinced about the 5 lines of text. I saw a the blue version in a shop window in Zurich, but it's not really singing to me. I actually prefer the first gen.
the Pelagos is also on my shopping list and i also like the old dial, but the blue dial is only coming with the new one. I have seen quite good prices around for the first gen, i think Bucherer has one in the window..
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I'm still considering a Pelagos as a tool watch for when I do my PADI next year.
You don't want to use any watch when doing a dive course. For a simple reason: These days do 99% of Padi schools even at the beginners level start to teach with a "dive computer". That's a watch sized thing worn like a watch, so no space for all those alleged "dive watches" in todays diving... they are a thing of the past.

(I dived a lot the last years but never even thought of actually submerging my IWC Aquatimer outside of a swimming pool...)


P.S. Where does the hate for the Swatch group movements come from? Roles is much more of a mass producer than many of the Swatch group brands like Blancpain or Glashuette Original.
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the Pelagos is also on my shopping list and i also like the old dial, but the blue dial is only coming with the new one. I have seen quite good prices around for the first gen, i think Bucherer has one in the window..

Im not a big fan of the blue version - it's he kind of 'in your face' blue that limits the watches versatility quite a bit.

A first gen would probably be the one I'd choose
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You don't want to use any watch when doing a dive course. For a simple reason: These days do 99% of Padi schools even at the beginners level start to teach with a "dive computer". That's a watch sized thing worn like a watch, so no space for all those alleged "dive watches" in todays diving... they are a thing of the past.

(I dived a lot the last years but never even thought of actually submerging my IWC Aquatimer outside of a swimming pool...)


P.S. Where does the hate for the Swatch group movements come from? Roles is much more of a mass producer than many of the Swatch group brands like Blancpain or Glashuette Original.

Good point, but I have to justify buying yet another diver somehow :-)

As for swatch group movements: I think it's the lingering fear of getting Asian parts in your 'Swiss' watch. Which is probably unfounded for watches beyond the 5k price range. Rolex makes everything in-house, down to the tiniest part. And yes, things are mass produced (they sold almost a million watches last year), but saying they are a bigger mass producer than Swatch Group is a bit weird -there were 30 times as many watches sold with SG movements than Rolexes - and these are just the numbers for SG members. A huge number of movements are sold to 3rd party manufacturers / assemblers.

That said, I have no problem wearing a Hamilton, knowing well that parts of those are made in China - but I'm not willing to pay a premium for a Hammy. Omega has been using in-house / exclusive movements, such as the 1861 or the new co-ax movements. As a matter of fact, almost their entire current range uses exclusive movements. Which can't always be said for Glashuette or Blancpain.
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Good point, but I have to justify buying yet another diver somehow :-)

As for swatch group movements: I think it's the lingering fear of getting Asian parts in your 'Swiss' watch. Which is probably unfounded for watches beyond the 5k price range. Rolex makes everything in-house, down to the tiniest part. And yes, things are mass produced (they sold almost a million watches last year), but saying they are a bigger mass producer than Swatch Group is a bit weird -there were 30 times as many watches sold with SG movements than Rolexes - and these are just the numbers for SG members. A huge number of movements are sold to 3rd party manufacturers / assemblers.

That said, I have no problem wearing a Hamilton, knowing well that parts of those are made in China - but I'm not willing to pay a premium for a Hammy. Omega has been using in-house / exclusive movements, such as the 1861 or the new co-ax movements. As a matter of fact, almost their entire current range uses exclusive movements. Which can't always be said for Glashuette or Blancpain.
I have one of the Seamasters with the co-ax movement and it is brilliant. Incredibly accurate for a mechanical watch.
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I have one of the Seamasters with the co-ax movement and it is brilliant. Incredibly accurate for a mechanical watch.

I had a 300m master co-axial for a short while and absolutely loved it. Sold it for the Daytona, but I've had my eye on the new Bond edition - if there are any left by the time the 13th salary shows up on my account in November, I probably won't be able to hold back, even though I wasn't planning on getting another watch this year.
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I had a 300m master co-axial for a short while and absolutely loved it. Sold it for the Daytona, but I've had my eye on the new Bond edition - if there are any left by the time the 13th salary shows up on my account in November, I probably won't be able to hold back, even though I wasn't planning on getting another watch this year.
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my wife? :-)
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With the current crisis in Swiss watching making, should we expect watch prices to fall? Do Patek Philippe ever drop in price?
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With the current crisis in Swiss watching making, should we expect watch prices to fall? Do Patek Philippe ever drop in price?
Nope, better investment than ever
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A little bit of Maltese trivia, the Swiss consulate here is in the Rolex shop.
Having said that I always wanted a Mondaine railway watch.
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Nope, better investment than ever
The investment potential is based on the feel good factor, in a time of war or major crisis buying a 1,000,000 CHF watch won't be high on the agenda, it's an small market. If the owner was hungry enough he would exchange for enough food & water for his family to survive for a month, so it 'just depends'
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The investment potential is based on the feel good factor, in a time of war or major crisis buying a 1,000,000 CHF watch won't be high on the agenda, it's an small market. If the owner was hungry enough he would exchange for enough food & water for his family to survive for a month, so it 'just depends'
After the war Germans bought sets of silver cutlery by the thousands as a investment for something of value to barter when the Red army inevitably marched over Europe. It was one of the first snowball-scams in Germany where you got friends and relatives to buy the knives and forks and spoons, for a decade or more people bought the sets for a huge amount of Marks, I don´t remember how much people paid for the cutlery but it was in no relation whatsoever to the price of silver.
The Russians never came and we still have our set, it only comes out on very special occasions so in a way it was a good investment after all.
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The investment potential is based on the feel good factor, in a time of war or major crisis buying a 1,000,000 CHF watch won't be high on the agenda, it's an small market. If the owner was hungry enough he would exchange for enough food & water for his family to survive for a month, so it 'just depends'
One of the most expensive Patek's sold was a steel model made in 1943
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One of the most expensive Patek's sold was a steel model made in 1943
What was it sold for in 1943 is my point, not what it sold for 70 odd years later as you may need the cash quicker than that.
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Only buy from authorised dealer or you could end up with a fake. Worth Paykel nag a little extra for piece of mind.
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