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Old 08.02.2015, 14:59
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Re: What do you think of Swiss Germans?

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I find them ok, apart from the fact they don't speak or try to speak any French. As i do, towards them over there. Yuk.

Put me in the middle of Zurich, i would not know where i am nor be able to speak the lingo. and i would think ditto.

So then we shall shout in English.

It rather interesting, that you lot are so full of yourselves that you speak German, but have you actually thought about the people that are trying to learn Italian or French.

This is the English Forum - i don't need to read how to do this and that in German and do i have to learn the French or italian name for the ghealdhrao4erkahf. Make it a bit more International, for the ones that don't live the high life in Swiss Germany please.
You are assuming we don't. French is easy. But this thread was started about what people think about Swiss Germans and the possibility that things would be better on your side.

Apparently things aren't.
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Old 08.02.2015, 15:02
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Re: What do you think of Swiss Germans?

As far as I'm concerned, Switzerland ends at Ziegelbruecke.

What the benighted natives beyond get up to is no concern of mine.
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Old 08.02.2015, 16:12
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Re: What do you think of Swiss Germans?

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I find them ok, apart from the fact they don't speak or try to speak any French. As i do, towards them over there. Yuk.

Put me in the middle of Zurich, i would not know where i am nor be able to speak the lingo. and i would think ditto.

So then we shall shout in English.

It rather interesting, that you lot are so full of yourselves that you speak German, but have you actually thought about the people that are trying to learn Italian or French.

This is the English Forum - i don't need to read how to do this and that in German and do i have to learn the French or italian name for the ghealdhrao4erkahf. Make it a bit more International, for the ones that don't live the high life in Swiss Germany please.
The problem is partly that I have no idea what half this stuff is called in English!

Sure, I can tell you that a Mietwagen is a rental car (you might say "hire car" yourself but I feel confident you'll at least understand what I mean) and a Steuererklärung is a tax return (again, you might say a "tax declaration"), but what about a Kreisbüro? "precinct registration office"? Maybe, but I just made that up, it's certainly not called that in my home country and I doubt if it is in anyone else's. Would you know what I meant by that any more than if I'd written Kreisbüro? At least if I write Kreisbüro the person I'm writing to can google it in hopes of finding out where theirs is and what time it's open till.

Or what about Eigenmietwert, "fictive rental income on primary dwelling"? And you can forget finding a concise translation of Heimatort/commune d'origine that makes sense to English speakers and won't (mis)lead them to put down either their birthplace, current residence, or the google-postulated ancestral origin of their surname.
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Re: What do you think of Swiss Germans?

I am living in Zurich now but before I lived in Lausanne for almost 1 year....in general I would say that people there are more relaxed but is not much easier to make friends as all Swiss are closed in general!
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Re: German-speaking Swiss not Swiss Germans?

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So the term Swiss German is wrong, German-speaking Swiss would be better.
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In any case, you're wrong. The term "German-speaking Swiss" is misleading[...]
Well, they didn't claim it was perfect, just that it was better. With that I have to agree: whereas I find the term "Swiss German" an offensively bad term for the category I understand to be under discussion (it's fine as a term for certain narrower categories), "German-speaking Swiss" is merely inadequate.

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Nah, it's not. You're ethnic Germans, like most Austrians. Your nationality is Swiss. You are, therefore, Swiss Germans.
Some, most, are ethnic Germans. But not all. So, when you use the term "Swiss German", should we understand that you are excluding Swiss citizens who use German as their first language and live in a German*-speaking area of Switzerland, but are ethnically not German? That would be pretty odd.

* if anyone replies to this pointing out that there are dialects, they are missing the point.

I get that there is correlation between the language, culture, and ethnicity. But there's no need to resort to such bizarrely inaccurate terminology.

It's not even as though it's common to get this stuff so wrong elsewhere. I'm just trying to imagine a welsh person of punjabi ethnicity who speaks english as their first language being told:
  • you are Welsh English [based on language]
  • I'm not, mate
  • Okay, you are Welsh Celtic, since the majority ethnicity in your locale is Celt
  • no, wrong, that is not my ethnicity, what are you on about? I'm of Welsh nationality, also British; I'm of Punjabi ethnicity; and I speak English as my first language. Easy to label me accurately, so why label me inaccurately?

Or take the Five Eyes, which have a lot in common linguistically and culturally. Yet it would be absurd to talk of the Oz English, Kiwi English, Canadian English, and so on.

One that makes me cringe is when some people refer to any black person as "African American", even if they have no reason to think the person is even American, before we even start on the problems with the "African" part of the term.. I think South Park have "done" that.

Just looking at the people I've met whose parents crossed the röstigraben before having a family, and who are culturally and linguistically more a part of where they were born and grew up, I wonder how they'd feel being told that "Swiss German" is the general term to use, but is an ethnic classification.
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Old 09.02.2015, 08:24
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Re: What do you think of Swiss Germans?

Benedict? Is that you?
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Old 09.02.2015, 09:20
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Re: German-speaking Swiss not Swiss Germans?

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- Austria
- Elsass/Alsace
Allemans? Allemen, perhaps? Not forgetting the Allewomen and all the little Allekiddiwinks, of course.
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Old 09.02.2015, 09:45
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Re: What do you think of Swiss Germans?

Well, after pouring a bit of Zwetchgen in my morning Müesli, a relevation came to me:

The real Swiss (the Eidgenossen in Central Switzerland) would never say they are Düütsch Schwiizer. They'd say, "I am an Innerschwiizer" as their chest swells with pride. Everything else really doesn't matter.

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Allemans? Allemen, perhaps? Not forgetting the Allewomen and all the little Allekiddiwinks, of course.
Exactly. It's like Michiganders, Michigeese, Michigoslings and the whole Michigaggle.

And, by the way, the plural of spouse is spice.
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Re: What do you think of Swiss Germans?

If I'm at peace with myself and taking full responsibility for my life, the Swiss are people like you find anywhere else - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Some of my absolute favorite people are Swiss (including husband). If I'm unhappy with my life and looking to blame someone/someplace, the Swiss can become a target. As my husband is Swiss, though, if I ever do start the blame-game, it's usually tongue-in-cheek and we have a laugh about it.
p.s. I am speaking here only about myself and not telling you (OP), or anyone else, how they are, or should be. That's just how it is for me.
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