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tram accident at Rigiplatz

As I was driving past Rigiplatz this afternoon, the place was jammed with police cars, ambulances and fire engines.

I took a closer look and realised the tram had run over someone...I think it's an image I won't ever forget...which reminds how reckless tram drivers sometimes can be...I have been almost hit a few times by them myself..

Please take care at tram crossings everyone...it's difficult to see a pair of shoes sticking out under a tram...
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

I'm sorry you had to see that. That must have terrible.

That said, some if my sympathy has to lie with the tram driver, he/she must be devistated at the moment. In my experience they're not reckless, it's simply that stopping something that weighs that much is not an easy task. They simply cannot stop on a dime like a car. At the point the driver put on the emergency brakes he/she became as much a passanger as as the other people in the tram.

While I hope that that the person run over can make a good recovery, the sad fact us that most pedestrian/tram accidents of the way you described do, unfotunately, tend to be fatal.

As goodhil said, this should be a warning to us all - especially if you're an iPod user.
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As I was driving past Rigiplatz this afternoon, the place was jammed with police cars, ambulances and fire engines.

I took a closer look and realised the tram had run over someone...I think it's an image I won't ever forget...which reminds how reckless tram drivers sometimes can be...I have been almost hit a few times by them myself..

Please take care at tram crossings everyone...it's difficult to see a pair of shoes sticking out under a tram...
I am sorry that you have had to witness such a tragic and unfortunate occurrence. However I think it is unfair to assume that the tram drivers are culpable... trams are heavy, guided by rail, and have right of way over pedestrians unless a signal indicates otherwise...which is why the majority of tram / pedestrian accidents are in fact the fault of the pedestrians. Tram drivers only course of collision avoidance is an emergency brake application, and sometimes that isn't enough if the tram is already doing 40 or 50km/h. Trains and trams in Switzerland have black boxes, and every speed infraction results in a penalty to the driver.

Train and tram drivers don't run over people for fun...most are heavily traumatised by fatalities and often require psychological treatment for years.
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

It was an 80-year old man. He received serious injuries:

http://www.20min.ch/news/zuerich/story/27575472
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As I was driving past Rigiplatz this afternoon, the place was jammed with police cars, ambulances and fire engines.

I took a closer look and realised the tram had run over someone...I think it's an image I won't ever forget...which reminds how reckless tram drivers sometimes can be...I have been almost hit a few times by them myself..

Please take care at tram crossings everyone...it's difficult to see a pair of shoes sticking out under a tram...
I'm not a tram driver, so I've nothing to defend, but I'm sure there are many many more careless pedestrians and car drivers than reckless tram drivers. Imagine a tram carrying 150 or more people and weighing over 50 tons, and then there is someone who thinks he / she can cross the rails at the very last moment, on foot or by car. I don't know the details of today's accident at Rigiplatz, but that's the way most of those accidents happen. Tragic, but very rarely the tram driver is to blame.
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

I don't mean to say that tram drivers are assumed the guilty party when accidents happen. I think they have a huge responsibility driving loads of people around town, at the same time, making all on board and at crossings are safe. That's why I always say thank you if possible when I leave the tram or bus. I do apologise if I had implied so in my first post...it was simply too much a sight for me today...

Here is the article...

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As I was driving past Rigiplatz this afternoon, the place was jammed with police cars, ambulances and fire engines.

I took a closer look and realised the tram had run over someone...I think it's an image I won't ever forget...which reminds how reckless tram drivers sometimes can be...I have been almost hit a few times by them myself..

Please take care at tram crossings everyone...it's difficult to see a pair of shoes sticking out under a tram...

According to
http://www.blick.ch/news/sda?newsid=20091107brd027
the 80years old man is NOT dead but at least at present alive.
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

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which reminds how reckless tram drivers sometimes can be
A couple of years ago, I had the occasion of being a tram driver for an afternoon, accompanied by an instructor, of course. It completely changed my attitude towards tram drivers. You can't imagine how stressful this job is. People cross the tram track all of a sudden without watching out, cyclists come round corners at full speed without watching out. Car drivers abruptly make U-turns - without watching out, of course.

Tram drivers are not reckless, but many people just don't pay attention to trams and aren't aware how long a tram's braking distance is. My instructor made me do an emergency stop at full speed in Badenerstrasse, and it took us a couple of dozens of meters to come to a stop - and it was an empty tram.

Every accident is tragic, and I know elderly people might just not hear a tram arriving. But then, any traffic participant has to be as attentive as they can.

After my 2-hour tour of Zurich I was completely worn out. It's an incredible strain to drive a tram through Zurich.
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

totally agree...

I witnessed an accident some years ago with a girl caught under a bus... sure it was not the driver's fault as the lights were in his favour... but the trauma he has to deal with after is definitely no joke...

Seeing the old gentleman's shoes sticking out of the tram just triggered my alarm bells...no ill intention meant towards tram drivers...
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

Ouch!
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

Happened at Bankverein in Basel a few months ago. Old chap, crossing just as the tram came. He also lived. The trams in Basel have a "cowcatcher" thing underneath, so the wheels won't go over the person. I guess the same will be true in Zürich and Bern.

I'm amazed at the risks people take near trams. I did see a cyclist do something really silly in front of a bus. The bus driver caught up with him, and enriched my knowledge of Basler invective...
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Happened at Bankverein in Basel a few months ago. Old chap, crossing just as the tram came. He also lived. The trams in Basel have a "cowcatcher" thing underneath, so the wheels won't go over the person. I guess the same will be true in Zürich and Bern.

I'm amazed at the risks people take near trams. I did see a cyclist do something really silly in front of a bus. The bus driver caught up with him, and enriched my knowledge of Basler invective...
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...which reminds how reckless tram drivers sometimes can be...I have been almost hit a few times by them myself..

rrrright ... they swerve in and out of traffic, do they?

trams drive on a fixed track, have right of way over most other traffic and pedestrians, can only go about 60 km/h top speed... do you realize how ridiculous you sound claiming that the tram drivers are reckless?

what exactly were you smoking when you almost got hit a few times ??
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rrrright ... they swerve in and out of traffic, do they?

trams drive on a fixed track, have right of way over most other traffic and pedestrians, can only go about 60 km/h top speed... do you realize how ridiculous you sound claiming that the tram drivers are reckless?

what exactly were you smoking when you almost got hit a few times ??
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

I'm sorry... I didn't read through to the end of the page to notice that the OP had already apologized for that remark.
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

While the tram drivers have a stressful job let's not forget about the 80 year old that is fighting for their life. There are plenty of times in Zurich when I have seen the tram sit for quite a while, waiting for the go signal, and then will just start going once the light changes. Also, most 80 year olds I have seen do not move very quickly so there might have been time to stop.
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While the tram drivers have a stressful job let's not forget about the 80 year old that is fighting for their life. There are plenty of times in Zurich when I have seen the tram sit for quite a while, waiting for the go signal, and then will just start going once the light changes. Also, most 80 year olds I have seen do not move very quickly so there might have been time to stop.
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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

I thought I'd bump this thread and remind everyone to be careful, as drivers and pedestrians, whilst crossing tram lines. I drive around Zürich a lot these days and am very aware of what can happen if you lose concentration for just a second, I was almost clipped by a tram as I pulled out to pass a cyclist. The tram driver rang her bell furiously as our wing mirrors almost kissed. She looked really cross, but i imagine she was also a bit stressed, I can imagine the frustration of not being to swerve out the way slightly. Anyway, a nice apologetic smile from me and she seemed to calm down.

But on Limmatstrasse, right outside the Viadukt Markthalle, I have witnessed 2 accidents in the last few months. The 2nd was yesterday when this car, coming from town, wanted to turn left into the road running down the side of the Viadukt. He clearly didn't expect a tram to be coming down his left side and it threw his car round and pushed him on about 20 meters.

You can't see too clearly from here but the front coupling of the tram has gone right through the back door and into the passenger space. If it had hit the drivers door he would have a nasty injury, at best.

I have to cross that road and tram lines a few times a week and stop and look both ways twice now to make sure no trams are within 100 meters of me. Take care!

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Re: tram accident at Rigiplatz

Similar happened this Tuesday near Basel. Car turned left, didn't notice big yellow beasty... Driver not badly hurt.

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Similar happened this Tuesday near Basel. Car turned left, didn't notice big yellow beasty... Driver not badly hurt.

Oh noes. He borked one of our nice new trams. (One of the oldies would have been a bit rougher with him)
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