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Re: Fluoride in water?

The amount that you salivate is also a contributing factor to how many cavities you get. Just because you're one of those people that doesn't get cavities isn't a strong argument to remove a known public health remedy that keeps that keeps the vast majority of people from losing their adult teeth. You might as well say "You know, I haven't fallen off the Earth yet. I don't think I believe in all this gravity mumbo jumbo."
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Old 06.04.2012, 17:42
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Re: Fluoride in water?

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Fluoride is the last thing you want to give your children.

Did you know that fluoride was first administered by Nazi's on concentration camp prisoners as it made the inmates sterile, docile, stupid and obedient?

Do a google search for fluoride dangers and see for your self. There have been huge campaigns to remove it from our drinking water that I've supported over the years.

There is absolutely no evidence that fluoride benefits children's teeth in any way - actually it damages the bones.
I believe the OP has already made her decision about giving her child fluoride and stated she is already aware of the arguments against and for it. So, your thread is not helpful.
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Re: Fluoride in water?

The whole fluoride supplement debate is moot on this point: fluoride works as a topical agent and not via systemic effects. In other words there is absolutely zero arguments for consuming fluoride. Brush your teeth with the stuff and spit it out!

As stated by the US Centers for Disease Control:

"[L]aboratory and epidemiologic research suggests that fluoride prevents dental caries predominately after eruption of the tooth into the mouth, and its actions primarily are topical for both adults and children" (CDC, 1999, MMWR 48: 933-940).
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Old 06.04.2012, 20:16
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Re: Fluoride in water?

I used to get fluoride tablets when I was a kid -my white speckled teeth remind me of it anytime I look into a mirror. But the good thing is that I had a really interesting ride to the hospital with my dad holding a white piece of cloth out of the car window on the day I managed to climb on the shelf in my room and got hold of the bottle with the pills. My mom just asked me whether they were good...
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Old 06.04.2012, 20:20
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We get all the fluoride we need in toothpaste. Children are at risk if they get too much. Fluoride has reduced decay by 33%, so it works well. It is not a mass medication nor a drug, but an element which occurs naturally when rain water runs over fluorspar rocks. However, trades unions refuse to add it artificially to the water out of fear of being sued, particularly by dialysis patients. Ensure she gets 1ppm and no more per day. Does she drink tap water? If she is young, she cannot spit when rinsing.




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And the next. In Bangkok we must drink bottled water - tap water is not safe and clean. In order that our daughter's teeth stay cavity free we give her fluoride tablets. Do I need to bring them to Zug with me or is the water fluoride treated? I am aware of the many arguments for and against mass fluoridation but we choose to give them to her.
Many thanks in advance for your help.
How old is she anyway?


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We get all the fluoride we need in toothpaste. Children are at risk if they get too much. Fluoride has reduced decay by 33%, so it works well. It is not a mass medication nor a drug, but an element which occurs naturally when rain water runs over fluorspar rocks. However, trades unions refuse to add it artificially to the water out of fear of being sued, particularly by dialysis patients. Ensure she gets 1ppm and no more per day. Does she drink tap water? If she is young, she cannot spit when rinsing.
Fluoride does work!
It reduces decay by 33%
Sealing teeth adds another 33% protection after 6 years of age.
A sugar free diet helps by yet another 33%
Thats 99%
Nothing is 100%!

However, just because they are sealed, does not mean that the teeth are bullet proof!
Best not to have any coca cola at home in the fridge!

Adults too can benefit from fluoride, but by now, your problem is gum disease, not tooth decay...Gum disease means you loose all the teeth, at once. The chronic inflammation of gum disease cranks up the immune system and also causes coronary artherosclerosis and causes heart attacks and stokes. Thanks goodness today we can prevent and treat gum disease successfully, as I did for my dad 30 years ago...

Fluoride is not a mass medication, it is an element which occurs in drinking water. In some places, they take it out!


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Fluoride does work!
It reduces decay by 33%
Sealing teeth adds another 33% protection after 6 years of age.
A sugar free diet helps by yet another 33%
Thats 99%
Nothing is 100%!

However, just because they are sealed, does not mean that the teeth are bullet proof!
Best not to have any coca cola at home in the fridge!

Adults too can benefit from fluoride, but by now, your problem is gum disease, not tooth decay...Gum disease means you loose all the teeth, at once. The chronic inflammation of gum disease cranks up the immune system and also causes coronary artherosclerosis and causes heart attacks and stokes. Thanks goodness today we can prevent and treat gum disease successfully, as I did for my dad 30 years ago...
Fluoride does work!
It reduces decay by 33%
Sealing teeth adds another 33% protection after 6 years of age.
A sugar free diet helps by yet another 33%
Thats 99%
Nothing is 100%!

However, just because they are sealed, does not mean that the teeth are bullet proof!
Best not to have any coca cola at home in the fridge!

Adults too can benefit from fluoride, but by now, your problem is gum disease, not tooth decay...Gum disease means you loose all the teeth, at once. The chronic inflammation of gum disease cranks up the immune system and also causes coronary artherosclerosis and causes heart attacks and stokes. Thanks goodness today we can prevent and treat gum disease successfully, as I did for my dad 30 years ago...

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AFAIK the only place where they used to add fluoride to the water was Basel. Because they started selling drinking water to the French two years ago, they had to stop that (the French wouldn't buy water that contained Fluoride because of its mild toxicity). So no, water won't contain fluoride in Zug.

Why not just give your daughter a toothpaste that contains fluoride? There's one from Elmex that is used once a week or so. I don't think you'll even be able to get fluoride pills here as they're considered poisonous and dangerous, especially to children.
I agree! Use a tasty fluoride toothpaste and avoid tap water

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The whole fluoride supplement debate is moot on this point: fluoride works as a topical agent and not via systemic effects. In other words there is absolutely zero arguments for consuming fluoride. Brush your teeth with the stuff and spit it out!

As stated by the US Centers for Disease Control:

"[L]aboratory and epidemiologic research suggests that fluoride prevents dental caries predominately after eruption of the tooth into the mouth, and its actions primarily are topical for both adults and children" (CDC, 1999, MMWR 48: 933-940).

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Re: Fluoride in water?

Does anyone know whether fluoride is still not being added to drinking water in Switzerland? My boyfriend just moved to Fribourg from England and is a bit concerned about it, since he's also part of the "Fluoride could be bad for you"-fraction.
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Old 12.12.2013, 11:54
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Re: Fluoride in water?

Yes, it is not added in CH.

If you want flouride, you buy flouridated salt, toothpaste, etc.

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Re: Fluoride in water?

Thanks for that fast reply!

It seems there's a way to formally thank you, but I've yet to find that button.
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Re: Fluoride in water?

Actually fluoride is neurotoxic

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...92036214001809

You can find other study on the topic ...
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Actually fluoride is neurotoxic
"Elevated fluoride concentrations in drinking water may be neurotoxic."

May be is not the same as IS.

And it says nothing about normal levels.

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Actually fluoride is neurotoxic

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...92036214001809

You can find other study on the topic ...
Absolutely correct. Pure water is neurotoxic too, not to mention pure sodium chloride, a.k.a. table salt and thousands of other substances that are common ingredients of food. It all depends on the dosage.

When there is dental fluorosis, as in that study, there already is a severe overdosage. Not exactly a surprise. Likely cause: heavy pollution from industrial waste. Not exaclty a surprise in China either.
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Elmex isn't your average fluoride-enriched toothpaste, it's a very rich on fluoride preparate and the recommended usage is once a week.

Both German and Swiss kids normally don't take fluoride pills.

Edit: Forgot something important! Salt usually is fluoride enriched, it's declared on the packing.
No salt is Iodine enriched to combat the lack of iodine, mailny an issue in south Germany, Austria and CH
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Re: Fluoride in water?

I believe it would be a good idea to ask your dentist, in the town where you live, about taking extra fluoride.
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No salt is Iodine enriched to combat the lack of iodine, mailny an issue in south Germany, Austria and CH
Salt in Switzerland is available plain, with iodine, and with both fluoride and iodine. The last is the most common, and is thus the one available in the most packaging sizes.
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