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Ok, so I'm a biased, angry Gottéron fan, but would someone care to explain why this:



warrants a 7 game ban, whereas this:



he gets away scott-free?

Reto Steinmann is an arse of the 10th degree.

So angry
I would call them both checks to the head, both deserved to be penalized severely for that.

The minute difference I see, not knowing the background, is in the first situation, the turn to make the check was earlier---it was obvious that the victim was passing the puck. In the second situation, he still had control of the puck, when the check was initiated. Very close though, and no excuse of course for checking to the head.

I think the main thing to take from all of this, especially for our kids learning the sport, is KEEP YOUR HEAD UP! I see this far too much in european hockey, where they don't expect the open ice hits as much, but mistakes are made, and players get seriously injured when they don't keep their heads up.
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I would call them both checks to the head, both deserved to be penalized severely for that.

The minute difference I see, not knowing the background, is in the first situation, the turn to make the check was earlier---it was obvious that the victim was passing the puck. In the second situation, he still had control of the puck, when the check was initiated. Very close though, and no excuse of course for checking to the head.

I think the main thing to take from all of this, especially for our kids learning the sport, is KEEP YOUR HEAD UP! I see this far too much in european hockey, where they don't expect the open ice hits as much, but mistakes are made, and players get seriously injured when they don't keep their heads up.
Exactly, the League should focus on the juniors. It's vital that they learn how to move on the ice, keep the head up and protect themselfs..

Sprunger clearly got his elbow up and checked the other player when he was not in possesion of the puck, furthermore the check came from the side. In no way the checked player could see that coming, he did nothing wrong. The Refs didn't have a good day as this check deserves a 5 min penalty.

The second situation was a frontal check in direction of the game. The forward had his head too low and was still in posession of the puck. In this situation the forward should be aware of what is coming and protect himself. As you can see the Ref decided correctly, 5min. penalty. And yes, this check should also be followed by a ban for a few games.

Paddy, you really should be angry with Sprunger. He couldn't even complain if such behaviour would result in more then 10 matches ban. That was extremely dangerous and could have ended someones career.
Especially as Sprunger as a forward was victim of such checks before and should know better.
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Old 14.02.2013, 17:29
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I would call them both checks to the head, both deserved to be penalized severely for that.

The minute difference I see, not knowing the background, is in the first situation, the turn to make the check was earlier---it was obvious that the victim was passing the puck. In the second situation, he still had control of the puck, when the check was initiated. Very close though, and no excuse of course for checking to the head.

I think the main thing to take from all of this, especially for our kids learning the sport, is KEEP YOUR HEAD UP! I see this far too much in european hockey, where they don't expect the open ice hits as much, but mistakes are made, and players get seriously injured when they don't keep their heads up.
In mitigation for Sprunger, the guy is almost 6'7" on his skates. It's not surprising he made contact with the head, even if he was trying to avoid it. he's also not a particularly malicious player, his last ban was in 2008.

For the check on Gerber, it's not so much his head was down on open ice, but he had turned and lowered his head slightly to recover a marginally mis-controlled puck, so was pretty-much blindsided.
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Re: The (Ice) Hockey Thread

Thanks again to everyone for the recommendations on checking out a hockey game in Zurich! My brother and I went to the Kloten game last night, and everything was great. We have a few notes for other future first-timers:

1) don't bring a backpack - not allowed inside, and costs 5 CHF to check at the door
2) remember to ask for seats in a part of the arena not designated for the away side fans, or vice versa
3) if you end up in the away section, it's louder/rowdier, but probably more fun - the Zurich fans seemed way less into it
4) a "reserved" seat may mean nothing in the highup sections - just take an open one in the general area if that's the case
5) beers were cheaper and easier to get than expected - lines are short, tall can was 6 CHF or so
6) cans are not allowed at your seats, pour them into a cup

The hockey style was definitely European! Great fun to watch though, and funny to see that no one gets to sit at the glass anyways, so the high up seats are actually quite awesome - 18 CHF a pop for students.

Overall, great night! Close game made it an interesting one. And of course, we just cheered for the Flyers as soon as we realized where we were sitting.
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Old 02.03.2013, 13:41
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Re: The (Ice) Hockey Thread

So, NLA playoffs start tonight:

Fribourg v Biel
Bern v Geneva
Zug v Lugano
Zurich v Davos

I would reckon on all the home ice advantage teams to prevail. Fribourg appear to have the easiest draw, but the other 3 could be very close. Z v HCD could a doozy of a series. Bern and Servette have important injury worries, but Bern to go through. Zug v Lugano too close to call IMHO.
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Re: The (Ice) Hockey Thread

Really bad check once again. This time in the NLB semi finals between Olten and Langenthal. Ronny Keller was brought to hospital with paralysis symptoms. Chances that he can walk again stand 50:50.

Let's hope the best for a great sportsman, his family and the team that will have to play with such a burden. Get well Ronny.

http://www.20min.ch/sport/eishockey/...ehmt--31581056
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Re: The (Ice) Hockey Thread

Terrible news indeed, everything crossed that it turns out OK.

It was my first experience of playoff hockey last night (we are season ticket holders at Geneva). The intensity was like nothing else I've seen all season (and I've been to all the home games, and the away games at Bienne and Fribourg).
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Really bad check once again. This time in the NLB semi finals between Olten and Langenthal. Ronny Keller was brought to hospital with paralysis symptoms. Chances that he can walk again stand 50:50.

Let's hope the best for a great sportsman, his family and the team that will have to play with such a burden. Get well Ronny.

http://www.20min.ch/sport/eishockey/...ehmt--31581056
I meant to post it but then refrained from doing so. I watched the game last night and the incident was very shocking to say the least. I wish for him to recover soon again.

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Terrible news indeed, everything crossed that it turns out OK.
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I meant to post it but then refrained from doing so. I watched the game last night and the incident was very shocking to say the least. I wish for him to recover soon again.
Aye, nasty indeed. Reminded me of the Pat Schaffhauser incident back in the 90's. Here's hoping for a complete recovery for Ronny.

I'm not sure Schnyder meant any malicious intent though, It was more of a shove than a check, but his momentum combined with the proximty of the boards resulted in a really nasty accident.
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Re: The (Ice) Hockey Thread

I went to the Rapperswil-Ambri match last night. Super match! High paced decent amount of hitting (not up to NHL standards, but at least a physical game), emotions ran high--a bit of fighting. Close match, questionable call by the ref late in the game, overtime win for Ambri! Couldn't ask for more!

And a half empty stadium with limited Rapperswil fans, but the Ambri fan section was packed and pumping!

Great playoff hockey (or 'playout' hockey I guess).
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Gottéron - Biel part 3 tomorrow in Fribourg. After the incidents in last night's game, I expect tensions to be running quite high and a few scores to be settled .
Biel are rapidly running out of players and Sprunger is back after suspension , so I expect us to go 3 up without too much difficulty.
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Re: The (Ice) Hockey Thread

Looks like the Canadian country legend Stompin' Tom Connors passed away.

All you hockey fans, take a couple minutes as this season draws to a close and listen to this classic:

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I meant to post it but then refrained from doing so. I watched the game last night and the incident was very shocking to say the least. I wish for him to recover soon again.
According to reports in the Blick and Le Matin, Keller will not regain the use of his legs . Very sad news indeed. Two hockey careers ended prematurely I think...
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According to reports in the Blick and Le Matin, Keller will not regain the use of his legs . Very sad news indeed. Two hockey careers ended prematurely I think...
Yes, shocking news. I will try to get in touch with the different fan clubs to see if they are ready to set up a fund raising for the familiy during the rest of the playoffs. Maybe Langenthal and Olten are already planning something.

I will be at Hallenstadion tonight to see Züri vs. Davos with mixed feelings.
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Yes, shocking news. I will try to get in touch with the different fan clubs to see if they are ready to set up a fund raising for the familiy during the rest of the playoffs. Maybe Langenthal and Olten are already planning something.

I will be at Hallenstadion tonight to see Züri vs. Davos with mixed feelings.
Here the official statement from the club. He'll be able to leave intensive care within the next couple of days.

http://www.ehco.ch/de/newsdetail---0--0--0--2--847.html
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Re: The (Ice) Hockey Thread

Terrible news, shocking for him and the poor fella was only there on loan for the playoffs.

Re the check - It's not the malicious hit from behind you envisage when you hear of someone having potential neck/back/spine problems, but it was still a hit that shouldn't have occured. Keller wasn't in control of the puck, had not even reached it so should not have been checked, brushed aside yeah, but not checked at that speed in close proximity to the boards. What transpired, the way he turned in the air was unfortunately very unlucky - he was not hit from behind, it was side on, the hit just ultimately took a tragic twist.

Thoughts also go out to the "aggressor", absolutely no way he meant to injure Keller or even hit him towards the boards, just made in my eyes, a wrong split second decision in the immense intensity of playoff hockey, and a local derby at that.
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Re the check - It's not the malicious hit from behind you envisage when you hear of someone having potential neck/back/spine problems, but it was still a hit that shouldn't have occured. Keller wasn't in control of the puck, had not even reached it so should not have been checked, brushed aside yeah, but not checked at that speed in close proximity to the boards. What transpired, the way he turned in the air was unfortunately very unlucky - he was not hit from behind, it was side on, the hit just ultimately took a tragic twist.

Thoughts also go out to the "aggressor", absolutely no way he meant to injure Keller or even hit him towards the boards, just made in my eyes, a wrong split second decision in the immense intensity of playoff hockey, and a local derby at that.
It was indeed unlucky from both players. Keller was fully aware of the other player and tried a reverse check. At this high speeds the "agressor" can't stop immediately. It's a clear foul but not something totally unusual or brutal.

I'm really sad about the whole story and especially of some comments in different forums and media.
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It was indeed unlucky from both players. Keller was fully aware of the other player and tried a reverse check. At this high speeds the "agressor" can't stop immediately. It's a clear foul but not something totally unusual or brutal.

I'm really sad about the whole story and especially of some comments in different forums and media.
Absolutely. Some people have been calling for a life ban for Schnyder, or even police intervention. Totally unjustified IMHO, I'm sure he's far more devastated than any of us can even begin to imagine and I think he would find it hard to strap on his skates again.
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Monkey fans who don't understad ice hockey, and either politicians or members of the press who've never been to a game in their life.
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